Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Ziggy Stardust]

First disprove that players in solo have not ruined the game for those in open.

This has been addressed, but as an extension ...

Those in Open who feel Solo undermines their enjoyment of the game have ruined their own game by not informing themselves about the way the modes work in Elite. It's not the players in Solo who are ruining your game, since that is impossible for them to do, due to not being able to interact.

Ziggy Stardust
Proving negatives since august 2015

You buy a car with an automatic transmission, but you love stick shift. When driving around you notice you miss the enjoyment of stick shift. This of course is the fault of the car manufacturer.

The simple fact that this thread exists proves solo has indeed ruined the experience for some open players. You either understand this or you don't.

That it does. It doesn't however prove that solo players have ruined the experience for some open players.

 

[Asp Explorer]

I was playing Elite last night in Open. I didn't see a single other player that interacted with me in any way. Someone somewhere was out at a bar enjoying beers and a live band and chatting with pretty girls. How dare they have more interaction than me! Nerf Bars!

 

[Faded Glory]

I was playing Elite last night in Open. I didn't see a single other player that interacted with me in any way. Someone somewhere was out at a bar enjoying beers and a live band and chatting with pretty girls. How dare they have more interaction than me! Nerf Bars!

Uh oh... They'll be calling to nerf pretty girls soon at this rate. Just look at what FD have started.

 

[7x5]

In my opinion it is very easy to solve this. if a player wants to use the single / private mode, to trade, do quests, fight or do bounty hunter. no problem he can do so without problems and that their results only influence himself. But if the player wants to be part of the power play, their actions impact on other players too, so should not be allowed to participate iplayers in different conditions.

 

[Asp Explorer]

That wouldn't solve anything I'm afraid. If I wanted to do powerplay stuff, and was forced into Open to do so, I could simply throttle my linerate to the point the matchmaker wouldn't instance me with anyone, or if it did - it would be extremely unpleasant for anyone unfortunate enough to be instanced with me. That is not a good gameplay mechanic.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

That wouldn't solve anything I'm afraid. If I wanted to do powerplay stuff, and was forced into Open to do so, I could simply throttle my linerate to the point the matchmaker wouldn't instance me with anyone, or if it did - it would be extremely unpleasant for anyone unfortunate enough to be instanced with me. That is not a good gameplay mechanic.

You could also combat log at the first sight of trouble, or use infinite shield hacks, or one hit kill hacks. Oh wait, none of this or yours matter because cheaters shouldn't control the design direction of the game.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Only the devs control the design direction of the game. They are apparently already dealing with combat loggers, and hopefully there's enough server-side data to patternise those using hacks, so those can be dealt with too. Closing holes in the client is, I believe, an ongoing process.

 

[7x5]

That wouldn't solve anything I'm afraid. If I wanted to do powerplay stuff, and was forced into Open to do so, I could simply throttle my linerate to the point the matchmaker wouldn't instance me with anyone, or if it did - it would be extremely unpleasant for anyone unfortunate enough to be instanced with me. That is not a good gameplay mechanic.

yes, but this sound a little dirty player?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

yes, but this sound a little dirty player?

on 1 hand I can see why you would feel this way, however you could also argue on the other hand it could be seen as the result of a player who was forced to take this action to keep on playing the game in the way which was advertised since back in 2012/2013.

I am NOT saying I would do this, but if the changes were made that some in this thread are demanding, it would certainly tempt me.

You could also combat log at the first sight of trouble, or use infinite shield hacks, or one hit kill hacks. Oh wait, none of this or yours matter because cheaters shouldn't control the design direction of the game.

I agree they shouldn’t but then neither should FD radically change the design in such a way as to remove content from players after they have taken their money imo.

Truth is, from MY POV if I am reading the guy right, his suggestion is actually the least toxic of the suggestions in this thread, as he is only suggesting taking powerplay from the solo players as opposed to the whole content, but I do think if this was to happen it would potentially be the start of a "classic" slippery slope.. remove PP from everyone outside of open today, but then what will people be asking to take off tomorrow?

Personally though I worry that that door has already been wedged open, because as I understand it CQC is only allowed in open, which saddens me.

 

[Lane]

The only reason I would play in Open is if PP worked properly.

To me, there is otherwise zero incentive.

 

[7x5]

Yes, but before the launch date, dec2014, we already knew that was not going to be offline mode. At this point, frontier it becomes an online game. Or am I wrong?.

In the firsts releases, we did not have mechanical as the PP, so there were no problems, but now we must share a universe that can not afford 2 types of rules and game difficulties.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

I agree they shouldn’t but then neither should FD radically change the design in such a way as to remove content from players after they have taken their money imo.

Truth is, from MY POV if I am reading the guy right, his suggestion is actually the least toxic of the suggestions in this thread, as he is only suggesting taking powerplay from the solo players as opposed to the whole content, but I do think if this was to happen it would potentially be the start of a "classic" slippery slope.. remove PP from everyone outside of open today, but then what will people be asking to take off tomorrow?

Personally though I worry that that door has already been wedged open, because as I understand it CQC is only allowed in open, which saddens me.

Well there's certainly some validity in your argument, but there's none in "if open is forced I can just cheat, so it shouldn't be done".

 

[Asp Explorer]

Since when has capping linerate or bandwidth on your own equipment, or using multiple NAT been cheating?

They are my toys, and nobody else has any say in what I do with my kit - especially if it doesn't affect them

Almost tempted to dig out a 56k modem now.

 

[7x5]

The only reason I would play in Open is if PP worked properly.

To me, there is otherwise zero incentive.

if you think the PP, dislikes, or does not work well, it is simple, do not use it. But if you want to use it you should always use it in open, unless you want PP, you are free to go in solo or in open, or not to play.

Since when has capping linerate or bandwidth on your own equipment, or using multiple NAT been cheating?

They are my toys, and nobody else has any say in what I do with my kit - especially if it doesn't affect them

Almost tempted to dig out a 56k modem now.

For sure, but again sounds like a technique for the dirty players.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

if you think the PP, dislikes, or does not work well, it is simple, do not use it. But if you want to use it you should always use it in open, unless you want PP, you are free to go in solo or in open, or not to play.



For sure, but again sounds like a technique for the dirty players.

No. We're free to PP in solo as well. I gather you don't care for that, but too bad, so sad. It's the game the rest of us bought.

 

[Asp Explorer]

There are literally dozens of ways of achieving the same result. The status quo, where everyone has the freedom to play in any mode they choose, and share the same background simulation, is what the devs have stated they want to keep. I'm all for that. If the open only advocates got their way, it doesn't take much to counter that.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Since when has capping linerate or bandwidth on your own equipment, or using multiple NAT been cheating?

They are my toys, and nobody else has any say in what I do with my kit - especially if it doesn't affect them

Almost tempted to dig out a 56k modem now.

And aren't hacks just edits to the files or memory values the game places on your equipment?

How is editing bandwith on your router any different from editing files on your computer or ram?

 

[Asp Explorer]

Client hacks, combat logging, instakill etc have a direct and unpleasant consequence upon other real players in-game. Ensuring you never meet other players means that the only consequence is to yourself, and it's simply only not meeting other players - who suffer no negative consequences.

 

[7x5]

There are literally dozens of ways of achieving the same result. The status quo, where everyone has the freedom to play in any mode they choose, and share the same background simulation, is what the devs have stated they want to keep. I'm all for that. If the open only advocates got their way, it doesn't take much to counter that.

Dozens ways to be a dirty player? Again for sure. And yes You've written, THE SAME SIMULATION=SAME RISK.

Client hacks, combat logging, instakill etc have a direct and unpleasant consequence upon other real players in-game. Ensuring you never meet other players means that the only consequence is to yourself, and it's simply only not meeting other players - who suffer no negative consequences.

Yes but You are changing the game perform in your interest.? and this should be regarded as little lawless, and more increasingly I think in another word. I do not quite understand that you are so afraid, but as usually happens, seems to be founded on ignorance.

 

[Jockey79]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=145309&p=2237444&viewfull=1#post2237444

As A few of you seem not to know about FD saying PP is balanced in all the modes or that mode switching was part of the original KS pitch - you know, the one that got us the game to start with.