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Operation: Biscuit Barrel
Sunday 9th August - 1700hrs BST - Mobius - Timocani - 4+hrs
Nearly there. But, hey, this is me. So, yet more words.
WINGING UP
From earlier posts, some commanders have said they shall be winging up prior to arrival in Timocani but it's quite probable that most of you who are mucking in today won't.
Thanks to Derthek's work on the current roster list for the Canonn, many of us should be able to handle this quite easily. (He said.) Those commanders not joining the Canonn list, shame on you! But not too much shame, and it shouldn't be a problem finding other commanders to either bring into your wing or join up with. (Friend up, wing up, scoop up, I guess.)
Due to the current... ah.... imperfections in instancing, a large turn-out today will almost certainly result in some frustrations for us. A little patience and problem-solving and it should not, however, impede our mass-camping approach.
If you're having trouble finding a wing to join and the instancing of supercruise gets all kinds of laggy or worse, or if you're looking to find a fourth, or just looking to co-ordinate yourself/your wing with others a little better should you run into difficulties, it would seem that Seega Port would be the ideal place to pop into even in large-pad ships that can't dock.
INTENTIONS REQUEST
It has been rightly raised as a concern that a commander acquiring a UA should not be made to feel beholden to sacrificing it to an expiration test.
This exercise is, much as with the nature of our overall pursuit of a solution to the UA mystery, obviously fuelled by the willing cooperation of dozens of us but each commander's individual autonomy is golden. (Hell, we wouldn't have the rich success of Teh Morse if commanders such as Jmanis and others had simply stopped what they felt right about because others felt otherwise.)
However, I must request that participants who intend to keep hold of any UA/s they can snag during Biscuit Barrel for as long as possible for ongoing testing be sure to inform those commanders they wing up with. From the get-go. Better than there being rankles and arguments later down the line.
This exercise was specifically conceived of as a way to get annoyingly-lingering tests and theories off the table for good. Testing a UA to destruction was the point from day one. It's not required that you agree with that but it is, to be frank, expected that participants not agreeing with that show those who do the courtesy of being up-front. (After all, only one commander can scoop a UA but it may be off the back of an entire wing's efforts in the SSS instance it is found...)
WHEN WE HAVE A UA... BECAUSE WE WILL...
There is not yet a test regimen for the Expiration test. Watch It Die crossed with the Transpatial Portal hope is only half the story we should be looking to get the B-Barrel UA to tell. There are surely other test elements and combined approaches which need to be included for the sake of utmost maximisation?
As an example, as Bitstorm mentioned yesterday in-game, shouldn't we also be considering which system to perform the expiration test in, so as to cover another base? There are doubtless other considerations to be taken advantage of, all the better to tick as many boxes as possible to then get the maximum yield of wished-for possible results.
Between these concerns and the fear that a Watch It Die test will not be quite Goldilocks it could be understandable should some of our fellow commanders... ("You weren't X distance from it, we need to do it again." "You weren't in the right kind of system I meant, it doesn't count.") Well, you get the point, I'm sure. Best avoided. Off the table is the plan.
So, for that reason, I would be remiss if I did not raise the need to not rush into testing the Barrel UA and be prepared for a delay of a couple of days or, perhaps best for all, until next weekend.
I know. It kinda goes against part of the spirit of the whole exercise, to get together to get one and then to sit on it but better a brief delay (one week?) to ensure bases are catered to and covered, than go to all the effort of this exercise and see it, and however many commander-hours, spoiled.
Anyhow, assuming our success, this can be handled after the exercise itself here on this thread. We've got all the bits and pieces for it between us already, just a matter of collating it all under a functional multi-hit test umbrella.
GOLDEN RULE FOR TODAY
If it's not the right kind of SSS, just leave.
All the better for maximising our compounded collective time looking for and succeeding against the right SSS convoy. It'll make for tedium at times, but at least we'll have our wingmates to be bored with!
My earlier mega-spoilered post of observations, collated advice and so on was full of other things you may find useful but this is the cake mix today. Everything else is icing.
So. This is me shutting up at last with these big B-Barrel posts. Thanks for your previous comments in this thread. I shall see you in Timocani. If you run into problems, I will be more than willing to help so far as I can.
Happy mass-camping, commanders.
Good luck to us all!
@Oberhiem - Jealous. That sounds like the kind of revolutionary SCIENCE I'd love to be in on, repeating the test a few times to be sure of the results...
Sunday 9th August - 1700hrs BST - Mobius - Timocani - 4+hrs
Nearly there. But, hey, this is me. So, yet more words.
WINGING UP
From earlier posts, some commanders have said they shall be winging up prior to arrival in Timocani but it's quite probable that most of you who are mucking in today won't.
Thanks to Derthek's work on the current roster list for the Canonn, many of us should be able to handle this quite easily. (He said.) Those commanders not joining the Canonn list, shame on you! But not too much shame, and it shouldn't be a problem finding other commanders to either bring into your wing or join up with. (Friend up, wing up, scoop up, I guess.)
Due to the current... ah.... imperfections in instancing, a large turn-out today will almost certainly result in some frustrations for us. A little patience and problem-solving and it should not, however, impede our mass-camping approach.
If you're having trouble finding a wing to join and the instancing of supercruise gets all kinds of laggy or worse, or if you're looking to find a fourth, or just looking to co-ordinate yourself/your wing with others a little better should you run into difficulties, it would seem that Seega Port would be the ideal place to pop into even in large-pad ships that can't dock.
INTENTIONS REQUEST
It has been rightly raised as a concern that a commander acquiring a UA should not be made to feel beholden to sacrificing it to an expiration test.
This exercise is, much as with the nature of our overall pursuit of a solution to the UA mystery, obviously fuelled by the willing cooperation of dozens of us but each commander's individual autonomy is golden. (Hell, we wouldn't have the rich success of Teh Morse if commanders such as Jmanis and others had simply stopped what they felt right about because others felt otherwise.)
However, I must request that participants who intend to keep hold of any UA/s they can snag during Biscuit Barrel for as long as possible for ongoing testing be sure to inform those commanders they wing up with. From the get-go. Better than there being rankles and arguments later down the line.
This exercise was specifically conceived of as a way to get annoyingly-lingering tests and theories off the table for good. Testing a UA to destruction was the point from day one. It's not required that you agree with that but it is, to be frank, expected that participants not agreeing with that show those who do the courtesy of being up-front. (After all, only one commander can scoop a UA but it may be off the back of an entire wing's efforts in the SSS instance it is found...)
WHEN WE HAVE A UA... BECAUSE WE WILL...
There is not yet a test regimen for the Expiration test. Watch It Die crossed with the Transpatial Portal hope is only half the story we should be looking to get the B-Barrel UA to tell. There are surely other test elements and combined approaches which need to be included for the sake of utmost maximisation?
As an example, as Bitstorm mentioned yesterday in-game, shouldn't we also be considering which system to perform the expiration test in, so as to cover another base? There are doubtless other considerations to be taken advantage of, all the better to tick as many boxes as possible to then get the maximum yield of wished-for possible results.
Between these concerns and the fear that a Watch It Die test will not be quite Goldilocks it could be understandable should some of our fellow commanders... ("You weren't X distance from it, we need to do it again." "You weren't in the right kind of system I meant, it doesn't count.") Well, you get the point, I'm sure. Best avoided. Off the table is the plan.
So, for that reason, I would be remiss if I did not raise the need to not rush into testing the Barrel UA and be prepared for a delay of a couple of days or, perhaps best for all, until next weekend.
I know. It kinda goes against part of the spirit of the whole exercise, to get together to get one and then to sit on it but better a brief delay (one week?) to ensure bases are catered to and covered, than go to all the effort of this exercise and see it, and however many commander-hours, spoiled.
Anyhow, assuming our success, this can be handled after the exercise itself here on this thread. We've got all the bits and pieces for it between us already, just a matter of collating it all under a functional multi-hit test umbrella.
GOLDEN RULE FOR TODAY
If it's not the right kind of SSS, just leave.
All the better for maximising our compounded collective time looking for and succeeding against the right SSS convoy. It'll make for tedium at times, but at least we'll have our wingmates to be bored with!
My earlier mega-spoilered post of observations, collated advice and so on was full of other things you may find useful but this is the cake mix today. Everything else is icing.
So. This is me shutting up at last with these big B-Barrel posts. Thanks for your previous comments in this thread. I shall see you in Timocani. If you run into problems, I will be more than willing to help so far as I can.
Happy mass-camping, commanders.
Good luck to us all!
@Oberhiem - Jealous. That sounds like the kind of revolutionary SCIENCE I'd love to be in on, repeating the test a few times to be sure of the results...
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You're welcome! There may be better footage around to repeat this now though.
That "doubler" was done a while back and it's not ideal really for specific analysis, but it was fine for what I was trying to show... That some parts of the audio *may be* rendered client-side and well that should be taken into account with any analysis.
It might be worth repeating the test with a focus on clear audio, perhaps at Io where the short morse rarely inhibits the purrs.
Am interested to know what you make of it, even if your thoughts are just the same as mine. It's just as far as I'm aware it's only me that's compared two recordings of one UA, and it would be really nice just to get some confirmation.
Wait a minute, the sounds are the same ones that got recorded here, aren't they? I even have the feeling that the background noise during your test is less present.
All right...May I share a few things with you? Yeah? Okay...:
Which canisters contain a crystal? 'Cause it seems to me that the crystals stabilize the UA, and when two canisters are near a UA, the purrs go from 5 to 3:
Has anyone tried again bringing 5 SAP8s and/or Painite and/or Hafnium into the CLOUD ("CLUE, LISTEN INTO CLOUD WORK") of a UA? Maybe it unlocks when it's stable.
I will gladly share with you the results of my "Stereo Channel Whale Sound Purring Experiment" haha.
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Right, Commander Rauminen checking in.
So first things first, I'm a really long time lurker. I've made as far as page 456(!) before today's event, and have to say you've been making my nights for a few weeks now. So while I might be new to you, the frequent posters are becoming old friends to me.
So I was contemplating joining the big search today, and make my appearance there, considering I'll catch up with the thread in a couple nights' of reading time now.
Seeing I have a couple hours till the event, I figured I'll get in on the Bast CG in the meantime, since it's pretty much the same loadout I would use... I'm sure you can guess where this is going now...
So I'm there, with a couple of pirate hunt missions, waiting for signal sources. All of them are unidentified. I take a few, complete my missions, what now? I guess I wait for the strong ones for those sweet conda bounties.
Very first strong one. Ah, it's all green ships. Let's see that T9, maybe I can liberate some hafnium or SAP8 as a kind of practice. Well... no such luck.... It's the UA.
What now?
Never done this before.
Well, look at that T9, the underside has this part where the nose of my Python fits right in... 4pips to shields... ease up to it... start pushing. I can't believe this works... keep pushing until it was only the 2 of us plus a few high wakes.
All right. Strip shields, launch a hatch breaker. PD not firing(?) - good. Launch collectors. Stuff starts falling out, all battle weapons. Collectors start to die. Fast. What? Both condas are back!
LAUNCH MOAR HATCH BREAKERS! Strip shields! scb scb scb. More breakers! Eventually it falls out. Target. Boost. Boost away.
6km out, stop. wait for the ships to catch up. scb scb. Boost back. Stop, scoop out, send collector. Select whatever system (scb scb), high wake out.
So I was wondering if there are enough SAP8 containers in the community to do a 12 cloud test with this thing. I'm somewhere near Bast, safely docked for now.
I've no access to Founders World as of yet. Also happy to buy an Orca if that's still undone, and there's someone with a steady hand volunteering to hold this in the meantime.
TL;DR
I've got one. Need 12 Sap8s. Much obliged.
Edit: do I get to be a founding father?
So first things first, I'm a really long time lurker. I've made as far as page 456(!) before today's event, and have to say you've been making my nights for a few weeks now. So while I might be new to you, the frequent posters are becoming old friends to me.
So I was contemplating joining the big search today, and make my appearance there, considering I'll catch up with the thread in a couple nights' of reading time now.
Seeing I have a couple hours till the event, I figured I'll get in on the Bast CG in the meantime, since it's pretty much the same loadout I would use... I'm sure you can guess where this is going now...
So I'm there, with a couple of pirate hunt missions, waiting for signal sources. All of them are unidentified. I take a few, complete my missions, what now? I guess I wait for the strong ones for those sweet conda bounties.
Very first strong one. Ah, it's all green ships. Let's see that T9, maybe I can liberate some hafnium or SAP8 as a kind of practice. Well... no such luck.... It's the UA.
What now?
Never done this before.
Well, look at that T9, the underside has this part where the nose of my Python fits right in... 4pips to shields... ease up to it... start pushing. I can't believe this works... keep pushing until it was only the 2 of us plus a few high wakes.
All right. Strip shields, launch a hatch breaker. PD not firing(?) - good. Launch collectors. Stuff starts falling out, all battle weapons. Collectors start to die. Fast. What? Both condas are back!
LAUNCH MOAR HATCH BREAKERS! Strip shields! scb scb scb. More breakers! Eventually it falls out. Target. Boost. Boost away.
6km out, stop. wait for the ships to catch up. scb scb. Boost back. Stop, scoop out, send collector. Select whatever system (scb scb), high wake out.
So I was wondering if there are enough SAP8 containers in the community to do a 12 cloud test with this thing. I'm somewhere near Bast, safely docked for now.
I've no access to Founders World as of yet. Also happy to buy an Orca if that's still undone, and there's someone with a steady hand volunteering to hold this in the meantime.
TL;DR
I've got one. Need 12 Sap8s. Much obliged.
Edit: do I get to be a founding father?
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2 things regarding Biscuit Barrel
1. Due to the civil war, there are very few sss. Bast would be a better location
2. The let it die experiment has already been done, nothing special was noticed. This was not common knowledge when the event was proposed. Doing it again seems just as pointless as anything else, with the added bonus of losing the ua.
1. Due to the civil war, there are very few sss. Bast would be a better location
2. The let it die experiment has already been done, nothing special was noticed. This was not common knowledge when the event was proposed. Doing it again seems just as pointless as anything else, with the added bonus of losing the ua.
This is going to be fun! left timocani a few days a go to take part in bast CG and do some stuff in wolf 1301, will be heading back at 17:00 for a bit of UA Camp!
any dentists hunting? heard they might be good at this kind of thing
We are nearly out of possible non destructive experiments through, if anything is going to come out of these experiment it will be from the destructive experiments, many of which have yet to been carried out yet.
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Congrats Rauminen! Give this guy SAP8s!
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Cmd Delmonte n Sub Cmd outspan will be there in a Conda. With Cmd Obone4888 in an asp. Both acting as fire support. You paint the target we wI'll keep it off your backs.....
Any special modules we should bring or stay combat hot !!
Any special modules we should bring or stay combat hot !!
Btw Guys the elite dangerous live stream just said that the UA is not a red herrering and will evlove after/at horizens and that they are surprised we haven't solved it..........yet.........no hints or anything but I get the feeling then we have till horizens before frontier reveal the answer to the UA and it may just be a slight answer.
wow photo finish to post that but just a little thought..........maybe we have to use the UA at one of these bases or plug it in as like some power or computer core?
Superb! The Heavy Mob is inbound. But, to answer your question, perhaps approaching any load-out like a fast-and-heavy piratical raid covers it. Perhaps one with Cargo Scanner, one with Hatch Limpets, one with Collector, maybe doubling up a little but not too much duplication to keep your power management dandy but leave you loose to adapt. Note: I almost sounded like I'm sure what I'm talking about there, with any luck.
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Given Dommaarraa's post regarding low SSS rates as a result of civil war in Timocani but balancing against those already heading there possibly because they'll not have seen this thread (or a relevant post therein) by the time of in-game arrival...
Biscuit Barrel - Location Review
Sunday 9th August - 1700hrs BST - Mobius - Timocani with a side-order of Bast - 4+hrs
Location Amendment?!? NOW?!?
Not necessarily but it'd be foolish not to ignore things while there is still time to respond to them.
Timocani is still a go. Bast is a clear alternative, replacement/simultaneous/something system.
I shall be in Timocani, at least for a while from 1700hrs, since there is every possibility that commanders will head there automatically since it's been Timocani since the start. I might stay, I might relocate, depending on any continuing information available - not that I am important in and of my own participation in the overall mix, just saying.
Others it's your call as to where you start/stay. Changes may happen, or perhaps Timocani will pick up for SSS vs Dommaarraa's observations. Swift exodus to Bast? It's now a clear possibility. Or Bast might not attract many commanders, meaning restrictions on the co-operation time-effort-commanders-results equation front.
"Juggling? Act!"
Please note: it occurs to me (and likely you, but just saying) that so long as participating commanders are mass-camping over the same period, even if the component wings are in two different systems but still following the general 'plan' then... basically... it's not so great a problem. Winged up and camping down, it's towards the same result.
REQUEST:
Could those in Bast or Timocani and seeing this please post up observations/timings of SSS spawn rates so as to help keep today's efforts on track and minimise confusion, maximise best option. Thanking yez in advance.
#NotRedHerring - personally leaving that out of my brain for today's duration, what with other things for now.
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On the Bast option, I think it's a good idea!
And since I'm here, if it is an option I'll do Bast instead if that's not gonna cause an issuea.
However Bast is pretty dangerous, you'll often get wings of players turning up and killing players without a word. So if you fancy doing Bast probably gonna need to be in Mobius.
And since I'm here, if it is an option I'll do Bast instead if that's not gonna cause an issuea.
However Bast is pretty dangerous, you'll often get wings of players turning up and killing players without a word. So if you fancy doing Bast probably gonna need to be in Mobius.
"Will you be mother?"
Bitstooooorm.... you know you're a former Bearer and familiar with the situation on the gro... in the ai.... over in Bast, and flying an Anaconda and, oh, everything... Could you kindly act as a kind of start-off co-ordinator there until/unless a change?
I'll be joining a bit before 17, as long as I can find my Scout. Prolly not going to be much help, but at least I'll have every scientificcy scanner bolted on.
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