Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Wishblend]

Just thinking about he clues we have been given over time.

There was one test that we were looking at doing but then abandoned and that was the voyager probes.

We have tried looking for the voyager probes to drop the ua next to them but if memory serves, when Red wizard tried that we found that the voyager probes had disappeared.

As there seams to be a lot of talk about the whales and the voyager craft over the last few pages, maybe we need to look at this angle again.

If the voyager probes are no longer in the Sol system, has all the surrounding system been checked to see if the voyager probes have turned up in them?

Can anyone remember if there disappearance was confirmed as a bug or not by ed?

 

[EAGLE 5]

Just thinking about he clues we have been given over time.

There was one test that we were looking at doing but then abandoned and that was the voyager probes.

We have tried looking for the voyager probes to drop the ua next to them but if memory serves, when Red wizard tried that we found that the voyager probes had disappeared.

As there seams to be a lot of talk about the whales and the voyager craft over the last few pages, maybe we need to look at this angle again.

If the voyager probes are no longer in the Sol system, has all the surrounding system been checked to see if the voyager probes have turned up in them?

Can anyone remember if there disappearance was confirmed as a bug or not by ed?

Along these lines I'd like to say that..... someone (I think it was Ratking but I may be wrong) mentioned that Kerrash had somewhat acknowledged that we were headed the "right direction" with the UA but then we stopped. It would do us a great deal of good to figure out when that was. Reading what you just posted it sort of would make me think that Voyager testing may have been it. This of course unless we can figure out when we trailed off and it was elsewhere.

Also if the Voyager probes moved off the Sol system, could we be seeing the possible emergence of dark systems that we need to explore?

 

[Ninjahat]

Has anyone ever followed the federal convoys carrying the UA and written down ALL of their chatter?

Maybe they disclose a secret during their chat?
Or fly somewhere of significant importance?

 

[LordZoltan]

Just thinking about he clues we have been given over time.

There was one test that we were looking at doing but then abandoned and that was the voyager probes.

We have tried looking for the voyager probes to drop the ua next to them but if memory serves, when Red wizard tried that we found that the voyager probes had disappeared.

As there seams to be a lot of talk about the whales and the voyager craft over the last few pages, maybe we need to look at this angle again.

If the voyager probes are no longer in the Sol system, has all the surrounding system been checked to see if the voyager probes have turned up in them?

Can anyone remember if there disappearance was confirmed as a bug or not by ed?

The bug was reported by CMDR Branch - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=159562

And nothing from FD after saying they'd take a look.

I know one or two of us find the Voyager links interesting in many ways, as no doubt you'll have seen from last night's posts

 

[Ratking15]

Along these lines I'd like to say that..... someone (I think it was Ratking but I may be wrong) mentioned that Kerrash had somewhat acknowledged that we were headed the "right direction" with the UA but then we stopped. It would do us a great deal of good to figure out when that was. Reading what you just posted it sort of would make me think that Voyager testing may have been it. This of course unless we can figure out when we trailed off and it was elsewhere.

Also if the Voyager probes moved off the Sol system, could we be seeing the possible emergence of dark systems that we need to explore?

Yes I've said repeatedly about what Kerrash has said over the course of the UA mystery as things he's said were taken wrong and I seemed to be the only one who tried to contact him to see what was taken wrong and such but he has said in the threads at least once that we were on the right track and we just dirverted from it like we went from the M11 to the M25 instead of the A14 (just using motarways as examples...........don't actucally know if they connect up). I've also said about the Oresrians and stuff from my sleeping thoughts in one of my previous posts as well which the Oresrians were talked about in the last UA thread.

 

[Grumbleweed]

If you guys are still in a wing, can the UA carrier jump to an adjacent system, drop out of supercruise and drop the UA, to see if it shows up as some sort of long-range jump beacon for a wing? Should be a quick, easy and non-destructive test. One or more of you stay behind in your current system to check.

Branch (or was it britain?) and I did this test last week, and its on the wiki.

Knowing that 'we were once on the right track then we dropped off' in the first thread is almost entirely unhelpful information. There are at least 20 different tracks in that last thread, and we haven't been down any of them fully. Also, knowing that 'its not a red herring' is almost entirely unhelpful information, except it means we can continue to chase our tails.

I can't make head nor tail of reddit, either BTW, but as long as they bother to read and update the wiki they won't be covering well trodden ground, and missing important clues like the Morse.

 

[Han_Zen]

Along these lines I'd like to say that..... someone (I think it was Ratking but I may be wrong) mentioned that Kerrash had somewhat acknowledged that we were headed the "right direction" with the UA but then we stopped. It would do us a great deal of good to figure out when that was. Reading what you just posted it sort of would make me think that Voyager testing may have been it. This of course unless we can figure out when we trailed off and it was elsewhere.

Also if the Voyager probes moved off the Sol system, could we be seeing the possible emergence of dark systems that we need to explore?

Communication from the UA matches the Voyagers quite well. Maybe the UA is the reply from the aliens. They find a probe and drops an UA. Lots of drones have been sent out. Now they found the Voyagers as well.

 

[Wishblend]

Also if the Voyager probes moved off the Sol system, could we be seeing the possible emergence of dark systems that we need to explore?

You know I never even thought of dark systems but that would be interesting if they are in the game.

 

[Ratking15]

Has anyone ever followed the federal convoys carrying the UA and written down ALL of their chatter?

Maybe they disclose a secret during their chat?
Or fly somewhere of significant importance?

It's been tried as people have waited a long time for help to arrive for getting a UA, the longest gotten video of being near a UA convoy is Wishblend's

 

[LordZoltan]

LordZoltan and others, I've already deeply listened to the whole Golden Disc in the same time I discovered Leonard Nimoy Whale Song, some time ago.
Yes I found some 'coincidences' in the various sounds, but nothing decisive at that time. If you remember I've pointed out the fact that the Thargs could have found the Probes, and tried to send us a reply using the same 'language'. But then?

So, yes, I know you looked into the sounds before - but it's not just that some of the UAs sounds are similar to those on Voyager, it's that there's a similar kind of structure to the sound as well.

That is, we've identified a few key sounds that are endlessly repeated (just like Voyager), and it's those for which we can find analogues on the Voyager recordings.

Take the Morse on Voyager, for example - as it nears the end, there's the ships' horns mixed underneath at first, then it plays on its own, but the two are linked.

In the UA, the Morse is also followed by the purrs - and we already know those purrs (when sped up, but you can guess this even played at 1x) sound like horns.

And many are happy to accept a whale-like description of the sound of the honk that comes before the Morse; and Voyager also had recordings of whales.

There are similarities, and they are quite compelling.

 

[RedWizzard]

Just thinking about he clues we have been given over time.

There was one test that we were looking at doing but then abandoned and that was the voyager probes.

We have tried looking for the voyager probes to drop the ua next to them but if memory serves, when Red wizard tried that we found that the voyager probes had disappeared.

As there seams to be a lot of talk about the whales and the voyager craft over the last few pages, maybe we need to look at this angle again.

If the voyager probes are no longer in the Sol system, has all the surrounding system been checked to see if the voyager probes have turned up in them?

Can anyone remember if there disappearance was confirmed as a bug or not by ed?

When I looked for them I set my heading based on a youtube video but I only travelled about 1.5 million Ls so it's possible that if the detection radius is less than about 800 kLs I might have missed them.

I believe other systems were checked without success. With the speed the voyagers are moving at they should still be much closer to Sol than anything else.

 

[LordZoltan]

When I looked for them I set my heading based on a youtube video but I only travelled about 1.5 million Ls so it's possible that if the detection radius is less than about 800 kLs I might have missed them.

I believe other systems were checked without success. With the speed the voyagers are moving at they should still be much closer to Sol than anything else.

Absolutely - Voyager 2 should be around 1.8mls and Voyager 1 about 2.1mls out from Sol.

If the detection distance is now just 1kls then finding them again is going to be like looking for a UA if you're not CMDR Branch!

 

[RedWizzard]

Also if the Voyager probes moved off the Sol system, could we be seeing the possible emergence of dark systems that we need to explore?

If the Voyager probes are moving in game at a speed comparable to their real life speed they are still much closer to Sol than any other known system: 2.3 million Ls is only about 26 lightdays or 0.07 Ly. That's much closer than any pair of systems I know of in ED, except for a few cases of two systems with exactly the same coordinates. However, it they are far enough from Sol to have different coordinates in the galaxy map (which has a resolution of 1/32 = 0.03 Ly). OTOH, it wouldn't make sense (to me) to put the Voyagers in their own systems in the galaxy map when they are so small. There are any number of comets in the Oort cloud that are much more massive than the Voyagers and reside at greater distances (up to 50 million Ls or 1.5 Ly from Sol).

Edit: I overestimated the distance to the probes but Lord Zoltan's numbers are still high enough for the probes to have different coordinates in the galaxy map.

 

[RedWizzard]

Communication from the UA matches the Voyagers quite well. Maybe the UA is the reply from the aliens. They find a probe and drops an UA. Lots of drones have been sent out. Now they found the Voyagers as well.

The problem I have with this theory (that the UAs produce morse because the aliens learned morse from the Voyagers) is that in galactic terms the Voyagers are ridiculously close to Sol. Aliens close enough to find a Voyager probe would be well within the radius of detectable radio signals from Earth. Why would they need to wait until they found a Voyager in order to learn morse code when they could just analyse our radio signals and communicate with (probably synthesised) voice signals over radio? Also, there are tens of thousands of populated worlds surrounding Sol so aliens coming in now would certainly encounter humanity in the form of ships and stations well before they got to the Voyagers. That implies that there aliens must have found the Voyagers before human colonization of space and before we sent interstellar probes. Both occurred in the 22nd century if the timeline on the wiki is accurate. So if the aliens found the probes over a thousand years ago, then why have they taken so long to respond?

Edit: It could make sense if the aliens had abducted a few nav beacons though. Pity the UAs didn't show up in place of nav beacons.

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Absolutely - Voyager 2 should be around 1.8mls and Voyager 1 about 2.1mls out from Sol.

If the detection distance is now just 1kls then finding them again is going to be like looking for a UA if you're not CMDR Branch!

It can't be that low though can it? I'm still detecting planets hundreds of thousands of Ls from the primary star.

 

[RailBalco]

cant find any audio file with UA blahbling, can someone point me to right direction?

RedWizzard:
it doesnt have to be answer to Voyager. As you said, Voyagers are very slow, compared to ED universe. So I guess if UA is a probe, it won't be answer to Voyagers. It can be more likely something like original probe. Creators could have simply same feelings and ideas as humans (to give another species prove they are not alone, and perhaps we can join each other) so they sent out these probes.
Still I don't think UA is a probe, since it decays in space... I still think it is supposed to stay on planets surface. Maybe remnants of some civilization? Or only surface probes to measure and send data?

EDIT:
Just found bitstorms sig, thx man!!! +rep

 

[LordZoltan]

The problem I have with this theory (that the UAs produce morse because the aliens learned morse from the Voyagers) is that in galactic terms the Voyagers are ridiculously close to Sol. Aliens close enough to find a Voyager probe would be well within the radius of detectable radio signals from Earth. Why would they need to wait until they found a Voyager in order to learn morse code when they could just analyse our radio signals and communicate with (probably synthesised) voice signals over radio? Also, there are tens of thousands of populated worlds surrounding Sol so aliens coming in now would certainly encounter humanity in the form of ships and stations well before they got to the Voyagers. That implies that there aliens must have found the Voyagers before human colonization of space and before we sent interstellar probes. Both occurred in the 22nd century if the timeline on the wiki is accurate. So if the aliens found the probes over a thousand years ago, then why have they taken so long to respond?

Edit: It could make sense if the aliens had abducted a few nav beacons though. Pity the UAs didn't show up in place of nav beacons.

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It can't be that low though can it? I'm still detecting planets hundreds of thousands of Ls from the primary star.

So my thinking around the Voyager angle isn't that 'dem aleens' have learned everything about us from the Voyagers, but that they're using our own method of 'reaching out to touch the hands beyond the stars' to invite us to find them. I think they likely know more about us than we realise - if this in any way near the truth.

On the 1kls distance, it's this distance that's been mentioned recently for things that the ADS doesn't find - e.g RES sites. I don't know for sure how far out the Voyagers used to show up (but I don't think they appeared via an ADS honk), but if there's been a change made to that mechanic (to make them harder to find, perhaps) then the 1kls would seem reasonable. That said, when you're in SC, y8u get U/W/SSS appearing much further away than that - so perhaps it's more like tens of kls.

 

[RedWizzard]

cant find any audio file with UA blahbling, can someone point me to right direction?

RedWizzard:
it doesnt have to be answer to Voyager. As you said, Voyagers are very slow, compared to ED universe. So I guess if UA is a probe, it won't be answer to Voyagers. It can be more likely something like original probe. Creators could have simply same feelings and ideas as humans (to give another species prove they are not alone, and perhaps we can join each other) so they sent out these probes.
Still I don't think UA is a probe, since it decays in space... I still think it is supposed to stay on planets surface. Maybe remnants of some civilization? Or only surface probes to measure and send data?

Right. I wasn't meaning that they had to be an answer to the Voyagers, I was just trying to get at the idea that the Voyagers must be involved because of the morse the UA emits. I think we're trying to fit the Voyagers into the story just to explain something (the morse) that otherwise doesn't make much sense. But the explanation with the Voyagers doesn't make much sense (to me) either. I like the idea that the UAs are based on the nav beacons much more as it explains the morse and it explains the fact that the morse is name of the closest body which is exactly what the nav beacons do. That would imply that the Voyagers aren't involved.

 

[LordZoltan]

Snip!

I like the idea that the UAs are based on the nav beacons much more as it explains the morse and it explains the fact that the morse is name of the closest body which is exactly what the nav beacons do.

The Nav Beacons tap out the Morse for the system name don't they, even though they're right next to stars?

But yes, either way, I agree there's a stronger Morse link to Nav Beacons than the Voyagers - which was why I also like the idea that they could be 'delivery points' for some long distance jump tech: you arrive after a long jump, and can use the Morse to identify not only where you are galaxy-wise, but also within the system.

That said, if it's alien tech, then it's quite a coincidence that they use the same star catalogue for naming that we humans do... Unless that's just to keep things simple for us.

 

[RedWizzard]

On the 1kls distance, it's this distance that's been mentioned recently for things that the ADS doesn't find - e.g RES sites. I don't know for sure how far out the Voyagers used to show up (but I don't think they appeared via an ADS honk), but if there's been a change made to that mechanic (to make them harder to find, perhaps) then the 1kls would seem reasonable. That said, when you're in SC, y8u get U/W/SSS appearing much further away than that - so perhaps it's more like tens of kls.

You used to be able to see the Voyagers as targets in space even from right beside Sol and that doesn't work now. I'm not sure when they showed up in the nav panel and I never tried the ADS on them though. I think res/combat sites have always been visible only within 1kLs so that wouldn't be a changed mechanic itself, though maybe they changed it to apply to the Voyagers. That would be stupid though because it's basically impossible to stumble into a 1kLs radius of something after travelling 2MLs. If I've done the calculation correctly, you'd have to be aimed within 0.03 degrees of the correct direction, which on my 1440p monitor would mean you've have to aim at the exactly right pixel (based on a 90 degree FOV; I'm not sure if that's right). Also I think if this was an intentional change they would have said so on the bug.

 

[Allitnil]

Absolutely - Voyager 2 should be around 1.8mls and Voyager 1 about 2.1mls out from Sol.

If the detection distance is now just 1kls then finding them again is going to be like looking for a UA if you're not CMDR Branch!

FWIW, back when they were easily findable, Voyager 2 was about 2.07m Ls from Sol, see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzDFfkArh0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPYsYrGVIc

Voyager 1 was about 2.3m Ls from Sol, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxOQRcyisyY (50 seconds in for the distance)

On the 1kls distance, it's this distance that's been mentioned recently for things that the ADS doesn't find - e.g RES sites. I don't know for sure how far out the Voyagers used to show up (but I don't think they appeared via an ADS honk), but if there's been a change made to that mechanic (to make them harder to find, perhaps) then the 1kls would seem reasonable. That said, when you're in SC, y8u get U/W/SSS appearing much further away than that - so perhaps it's more like tens of kls.

From the second video above, you can see that the signal source (with no name) would appear in the HUD from over 2m Ls away. The "Ancient Probe" name only appeared when within 1,000 Ls.

Do SS's currently appear more than 1000 Ls away? I've only noticed them within that range but I've not tried looking at very high SC speeds.