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45 out of 270 answered none or barely at all, yet were still active enough on the forums to contribute to the poll.
16%.
The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=174193&highlight=still+play
45 out of 270 answered none or barely at all, yet were still active enough on the forums to contribute to the poll.
16%.
"ED is no longer about one ship, one Pilot guys, we're going to have massively multiplayer features with open PvP and community activities that encourage player conflict because that's what's hip with the kids. AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?! Next up we're going to focus on porting to consoles and create a gameplay mode specifically to cater to an entirely alien audience but don't worry we'll port it over to PC later kind of."
You're very clever at putting a spin on things to suit your argument, I'll give you that
However, your interpretation of events is incorrect.
ED is still about being the commander of your ship - I doubt that's ever going to change - even with any future multicrew facility - you'll still be the commander of your ship.
I acknowledge that PvP is inevitable in any Open mode - what you don't seem to understand, or don't wish to accept, is that PvP was not intended to be the defacto state in Open. Open was intended to be PvE with cooperation between players, with PvP to be "rare and meaningful".
Community activities that encourage player conflict is exactly what we have in Powerplay, which is still an optional bolt-on to the game, and by not participating in Powerplay, you can in fact play ED like it was just another Elite. Even when you do partake in Powerplay, ultimately you're playing PvE with the possibility or the excuse to do PvP.
Lastly, I LOVE the fact that CQC is being added to the game, and I'm looking forward to playing against you in an arena
If they're happy with the sales numbers why did they cook up CQC as a means to sell more copies to a wider audience? If I'm just fabricating my evidence then it shouldn't be difficult to find hard evidence to refute it. Have at it.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed - if players are truly disinterested in the game one wonders why they make the effort to visit the forums.
83% retention does not look too bad.
Robert Maynard
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Maybe they cooked it up to attract players on a different platform and, with the exclusivity deal with Microsoft, will not do too badly out of it as it uses the existing game framework with a few tweaked assets.
Hmm... what? That they work on more content is proof that they are not happy?
You're very clever at putting a spin on things to suit your argument, I'll give you that
However, your interpretation of events is incorrect.
ED is still about being the commander of your ship - I doubt that's ever going to change - even with any future multicrew facility - you'll still be the commander of your ship.
I acknowledge that PvP is inevitable in any Open mode - what you don't seem to understand, or don't wish to accept, is that PvP was not intended to be the defacto state in Open. Open was intended to be PvE with cooperation between players, with PvP to be "rare and meaningful".
Community activities that encourage player conflict is exactly what we have in Powerplay, which is still an optional bolt-on to the game, and by not participating in Powerplay, you can in fact play ED like it was just another Elite. Even when you do partake in Powerplay, ultimately you're playing PvE with the possibility or the excuse to do PvP.
Lastly, I LOVE the fact that CQC is being added to the game, and I'm looking forward to playing against you in an arena
Oh no no, One man, one ship was the spin that was being used by several people in this thread to argue against social tools. I can't take credit for that juicy little bit.
As I pointed out in the Open PvE thread, PvP being as prevalent as it is is solely a result of the community doing nothing to prevent it. That's their own nest they made, and then instead of choosing to roost in it they ran away to Mobius and Solo and left the rest of you to deal with it.
I won't be touching CQC personally. Not enough depth and variety. You won't see any battlecows in the arena.
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CQC is not more content, it is a standalone module built specifically to cater to and introduce the game to more casual players. It's also a media friendly game which will improve the game's presence on social media such as YT, Twitch, and through them Twitter, FB, etc....
CQC is 90% marketing, 10% game.
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You could say the same about guilds. 90% power trip, 10% game
Now its just getting weird, I really need need to go.
You could say the same about guilds. 90% power trip, 10% game
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Anyone out to get a power trip through social tools is currently getting the same thing by shooting newbs in Leesti. I think it's more preferable to let all such crabs gather in one barrel and keep each other there than souring the game for everyone else, personally.
"ED is no longer about one ship, one Pilot guys, we're going to have massively multiplayer features with open PvP and community activities that encourage player conflict because that's what's hip with the kids. AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?! Next up we're going to focus on porting to consoles and create a gameplay mode specifically to cater to an entirely alien audience but don't worry we'll port it over to PC later kind of."
Oh no no, One man, one ship was the spin that was being used by several people in this thread to argue against social tools. I can't take credit for that juicy little bit.
Nuh-uh! You're not getting away with that.
You're the one who's spun that one yourself. Elite IS all about "one CMDR and their ship", whether you like it or not. That's what people have been trying to tell you. But you're conveniently trying to dismiss that, or you cannot or don't want to understand that about the game. My take on what's happened in Open is that there has been a generation or two of new gamers who only understand the concept of pew-pew against other players and that these players came to Elite expecting the ethos of the game to be the same as a lot of other MMO's, and then they see that the Elite microculture is nothing like those other MMO's at all. Which is why we now get all this screaming and tantrums to introduce the very things that would destroy the Elite game microculture and character.
I will be touching CQC as it will be a welcome change from the things I enjoy doing in ED, and a change is as good as a rest for me.
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Very sensible idea! would give you rep but it would not let me.
Now what were you thinking, this is a thread ona discusion forum about a really devisive topic with wild predictions of the future. Your idea will never mesh with the thread audience. Even I am suspicious and I thought was a good idea.
Simon
Now what were you thinking, this is a thread ona discusion forum about a really devisive topic with wild predictions of the future. Your idea will never mesh with the thread audience. Even I am suspicious and I thought was a good idea.
Simon
Nuh-uh! You're not getting away with that.
My take on what's happened in Open is that there has been a generation or two of new gamers who only understand the concept of pew-pew against other players and that these players came to Elite expecting the ethos of the game to be the same as a lot of other MMO's, and then they see that the Elite microculture is nothing like those other MMO's at all. Which is why we now get all this screaming and tantrums to introduce the very things that would destroy the Elite game microculture and character.
I will be touching CQC as it will be a welcome change from the things I enjoy doing in ED, and a change is as good as a rest for me.
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And again, it wasn't me who conveniently ignored the "one man, one ship." Frontier took that step first. Or more like they just demolished it entirely every step of the way.
It's not a new generation thing. PvP oriented games are as old as MMOs, if a mixed population does nothing to balance itself out one or the other style of gameplay will dominate. See my reference to Gemstone IV where the PvE players pushed hard against open PvP and won, then continued to hold that position for 25 years.
Robert Maynard
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How did they achieve this without resorting to PvP themselves?
I have tried to read as much of this thread as my limited attention span and RL distractions will allow. I haven't found (other than the proposition linked back from the other thread), what "guilds" means?
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Have the pro-guild posters offered suggestions of what they mean or desire from introducing guilds? What guilds will be able to do and not do, what the limits of their size, power, influence, etc might be? What benefits and perks, what assets, what guild communal assets, etc?
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That sort of thing might soften the argument a lot. Stating "guilds" allows any poster to define the word in either their best or worst experience with guilds in other games.
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Have the pro-guild posters offered suggestions of what they mean or desire from introducing guilds? What guilds will be able to do and not do, what the limits of their size, power, influence, etc might be? What benefits and perks, what assets, what guild communal assets, etc?
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That sort of thing might soften the argument a lot. Stating "guilds" allows any poster to define the word in either their best or worst experience with guilds in other games.
Same way it was done in UO. Find the members of the PvP community willing to play a protective role and support them.
Edit:UO didn't have time for that model to stabilize though before the expansion threw the whole social structure for a loop. After that you essentially ended up with segregated communities which ultimately killed the game's popularity.
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