Creating The Explorer's Nation(s)

It seems like some people are convinced that exploration = pacifist. While it might be true that most - if not all - of us prefer to avoid combat with other commanders, I think that a great many of us will not think twice about loading up our ships with the proper equipment to defend our own. I, for one, have nothing against cruising about whichever system we end up in to sniff out and route unwanted aggressors.

Now just because I and other are willing to do this does not mean we are participating in PP, we are simply defending our home. We could care less about what politics go on outside of our own personal space, but that's not to say we're going to welcome pirates into our system hoping that our hospitality will evade their hostility. I would fight tooth and nail to keep y'all safe, regardless of who it is overstepping their authority. If the big 3 are waging war in a system just a couple hops away, whether we care about PP or not, we should worry about that spilling over into our space. I don't think we're trying to effect galactic politics. We're just trying to make a safe haven for all explorers.

Mind you, safety requires either security or secrecy.

This is exactly right, and very well articulated! This nails it on the head on what the goal is!

This is about creating a safe haven for explorers, one that they can regard to as a home system for selling their data and not being bothered with PowerPlay or the big powers stuff. Remaining Free, Independent, Uncontrolled while at the same time avoiding Anarchy, Dictatorships and Pirates, is the name of the game. Hence I went for a Democratic minor faction, as is the one I thought fitted the best to these intentions, back when I started to play the BGS in January.

In order to create such haven, as Katejina explained, we must need to enforce such area. Add to that, the fact that most of us spends great deals of times outside the bubble, and you'll find that we'll need a population of resident CMDR's who hold the fort down for us: fighters, bounty hunters, traders, miners, etc.

If in the creation and preservation of said area, Power Play pushes us to create a Power, then be it. This is a valid and legitimate concerns that is coming directly from the results of what happened to the Crimson State Group in Lugh: they won the war, they drove the Feds out, and once PP came they were engulfed in its Power. The only way they could remain free was to form part of the Alliance Power under Mahon, to which they are not attractive economically speaking, thus CSG now pays them just to be under their wing and avoid Hudson.

FD has stated that those Minor factions that control enough systems would be eligible to become a power. They have not being any more specific than that. What is clear is, that if we ever see ourselves in the position that our brothers in Lugh faced, we don't want to go Mahon, or Pranav...we would want to go our own way, and we want to be then ready to form a Power, if it comes to that.

I want to remind everyone here that as it is right now, if a Power sets eyes on our systems, we can't do much to avoid that, there is no mechanic in place to effectively cut them short but either become a power or join one! This is what is triggering the thinking that although we don't want to engage in it, it is in the best of our interest to be ready for PP shall we need it.

And for that, we'll need to expand to make our Nation of at least 5 or 10 systems, or whatever the minimum systems FD stipulates for a minor faction to be eligible for a power, whenever they come out with that figure.

The good thing is that having a number of systems will be easier to recruit all those fighters, miners, traders that our nation will need to function. And in the whole idea there are no exclusion to have alike groups working within the nation (e.g. The Fuel Rats and FGE factions could have presence in some of our nation's systems. Conversely, having a myriad of systems, will offer to our explorers community the opportunity to hone the skills of trading, combat, etc. while on break from an expedition without even leaving our protected space!

This is what it will take to create a safe haven for us. And in that framework I offered the SEPP as the faction that i have been working on that already expanded through 3 systems and has many features appealing to explorers.

No, this is not mandatory and not all explorer's have to partake. And no, if you are free, pariah, independent, rebel without a cause, just because, whatever, type of player, it doesn't mean you can't pay a visit and sell your data in our nation and then take off. You are free to do so as much as we would like to be a nation of exactly that: rebels without any association to anything.

As per the name, once again, I would like to be changed to the Galactic Nation of Explorer's or the Explorer's Nation, only if FD confirms that in doing so, we won't lose any systems. They seem to suggest that new names imply new faction, which means, start from scratch. I am trying to get a confirmation on this before taking a decision on whether or not register the group as SEPP or Explorer's Nation.

I hope this clears up any doubts and questions of what's at stake, what the benefits are and what we are going to try to do, and more importantly, how we are going to do it.

The question is, are you coming with us or watching from the fence?
 
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I may actually provide support as some sort of 'independent' member if you like.

Also - "Exploration Nation" riffs better IMO, but then I'm weird ;)
 
I was on my way back anyway, but this thread determined my destination. I parked my trusty Type-6 in Martinez Station and submitted my data to the science group there. She's now undergoing refit, refurbishment, repair, and resupply for my next expedition.

In the mean time, I've leased a Viper and will fly as part of the System Defense Volunteer force. There's a civil war between a couple of the smaller factions right now, and bringing it to a swift conclusion benefits our goal of having a safe place for unarmed, unshielded exploration vessels to make port. I'll probably also fly some mining and trading ops to support the economy here.
 
Sounds like a great idea. I'll join up with what's already started. I just got back from a short exploration jot and decided to try out some other stuff besides exploring. It's the first time I've even looked at Powerplay since it came out, so I'm still figuring it out. I just joined Li-Yong Rui, but haven't done much yet. Should I leave and start building rep with SEPP?

SEPP is one possibility. It is an decent pair of systems, but it has lots of problems and is quite close to several PP powers and has already been interfered with by the Federation and the Alliance. Mahon has been eyeing ELEU because of the rares bonus. They will likely re-attempt to take the system once they regain enough Command Capital to try again. I am currently looking into several other more distant areas, although with the Simgurus already willing to pay for upkeep on a outpost outside of human space, I am starting to think that no place is "safe".

Has anyone mentioned yet that the FGE have already started the process and are trying to get an Explorer faction/power set up?

CMDR Wishblend is leading this.

It's been mentioned but haven't seen anything on these forums. Can you provide a link? I would be curious to know some of their ideas on what a PP explorer faction would look like, and what systems they are interested in. There seem to be a wide range of opinions here on this thread alone, and I am starting to understand why Frontier didn't bother creating one in the first round of galactic powers. The major problem being: cohesion. Apart from the normal forum antithesis, what is it that could actually bind explorers together in a political sense? We are perhaps the most "lone wolf" type of any of the career paths. In fact, the most common phrase I have heard on this forum is (and I'm paraphrasing here): "Just got back, realized why I left, must leave the bubble ASAP". This is certainly not a view that I share, since my first feeling upon returning after few weeks is "relief". That probably makes me unusual among explorers.

Goddoc, I understand your points. The only thing I don't understand is the aggresiveness of your posts here.

By the way, anyone got ideas how to make such a system not become a griefer paradise? Because I guarantee you, have a place where lots of unarmed ships meet, and griefers will follow.

Yes I did, but you must have missed my post. The best way to avoid griefers imo is not to fight them, but entice them to be peaceful or even to defend your system for you. We could for instance offer economic bonuses like Li Yong Rui. OR we could over bounty hunting payout bonuses to CMDRs that don't have any bounties themselves in any of our systems. That would certainly attract the right "justice" minded crowd that keeps Lavigny Duval's corner of the galaxy pretty much crime free, even in Open.
 
Mind you, safety requires either security or secrecy.

Or bribes. It's an ancient technique that goes back at least to the time of Byzantium. And it has proven to work as long as the payouts exceed the "benefits" of misbehaving. This could take the form of a passive bounty payout, such as in Lavigny space. But with the requirement that you are in good standing with the station/faction making the payout.
 
We should definitely host some kind of round table for the name. I'm sure we can find some clever ones amongst our members. :)

Or bribes. It's an ancient technique that goes back at least to the time of Byzantium. And it has proven to work as long as the payouts exceed the "benefits" of misbehaving. This could take the form of a passive bounty payout, such as in Lavigny space. But with the requirement that you are in good standing with the station/faction making the payout.

We'd have to be extremely careful about this. There is always the chance of those commanders being bought by other factions. At this point I don't see much need to undermine an exploration faction, but you never know. A commander with a lot of credits and nothing better to do might have a lot of fun by throwing credits at our would-be mercenaries and watching them turn on us.
 
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As Anuranium explained to me, we triggered an expansion into ALOWIS. As a consequence, we dropped significant points in the influence. As of now we are in the cooldown period. Next objective is to bring SEPP above 70% in ELEU while keeping SANTJALAN around 50-60%.


Ah, I should have realized. It's always a little sad to see a system drop after pouring in dozens of hours for days on end into supporting it. As I am sure Red Barron knows! I haven't visited the new system yet, and have been meaning to make a visit. Currently grinding up credits while trading in Lavigny space (and spying out other possible locations - the space doesn't need to be contiguous, eg Lave Cluster). Almost to the point where I can buy an A-grade Python or maybe even an Anaconda. Getting very close to making my return, and I'll bring my small fortune and other resources with me. Hopefully we can expand and even take back Eleu soon.
 
We should definitely host some kind of round table for the name. I'm sure we can find some clever ones amongst our members. :)

We'd have to be extremely careful about this. There is always the chance of those commanders being bought by other factions. At this point I don't see much need to undermine an exploration faction, but you never know. A commander with a lot of credits and nothing better to do might have a lot of fun by throwing credits at our would-be mercenaries and watching them turn on us.

I was kind of thinking we could be an offshoot of Universal Cartographics. Or a Research and Development faction that dealt in cutting edge science. I am not sure what kind of name that could inspire?

The thing about passive bonuses is that they apply to any all CMDRs of any faction, or no faction. I think we should have both a passive explorer bonus (so that joining isn't required) and a small passive bounty bonus (so that defenders can be anyone who loves science). This way the people defending our systems won't even need to be affiliated or any under obligation, but more of them will want to stay on good terms with us because of the bonuses they might want to use someday, even if they don't want to pledge to our explorers league. This is basic reason why people don't really undermine Li Yong Rui very much at all. He has great passive bonuses in the form of cheap ships and outfitting, and making his stations angry might carry some real consequences once FD enhances the BG sim.
 
I was kind of thinking we could be an offshoot of Universal Cartographics. Or a Research and Development faction that dealt in cutting edge science. I am not sure what kind of name that could inspire?

The thing about passive bonuses is that they apply to any all CMDRs of any faction, or no faction. I think we should have both a passive explorer bonus (so that joining isn't required) and a small passive bounty bonus (so that defenders can be anyone who loves science). This way the people defending our systems won't even need to be affiliated or any under obligation, but more of them will want to stay on good terms with us because of the bonuses they might want to use someday, even if they don't want to pledge to our explorers league. This is basic reason why people don't really undermine Li Yong Rui very much at all. He has great passive bonuses in the form of cheap ships and outfitting, and making his stations angry might carry some real consequences once FD enhances the BG sim.


That sounds extremely plausible, actually. It very well may be all that's needed to prevent those few from heckling us.


explorers league.

Hmmm... The League of Exploratory Gentleman?
 
Yes I did, but you must have missed my post. The best way to avoid griefers imo is not to fight them, but entice them to be peaceful or even to defend your system for you. We could for instance offer economic bonuses like Li Yong Rui. OR we could over bounty hunting payout bonuses to CMDRs that don't have any bounties themselves in any of our systems. That would certainly attract the right "justice" minded crowd that keeps Lavigny Duval's corner of the galaxy pretty much crime free, even in Open.

Yup, I did miss it - still on vacation, on a shoddy internet connection, makes it easier to miss posts :) Anyway, I love that idea, mostly because it's maintained passively - it doesn't require a constant patrol force present, made up of volunteer players, turning the game into a job in the process. The latter was my primary concern, which is why I'm glad this was already discussed. Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, back in a couple of days. I'll first finish off the Clipper I've been building on the side for bubble ops, freeing up my Asp to remain in a more or less permanent exploration build. With that out of the way, I'll see about lending a hand. A bit sorry I can't just jump in, but this laptop isn't exactly ED capable, and my internet connection leaves much to be desired.. Anyway, I'll be at least trying to follow up with you guys here in the mean time.

BTW, I know this idea is mainly for open, but I did wonder if a group will be formed (akin to mobius), basically something to be used while out there exploring (may make it easier to meet up in the black, assuming that helps with instancing).


I was kind of thinking we could be an offshoot of Universal Cartographics. Or a Research and Development faction that dealt in cutting edge science. I am not sure what kind of name that could inspire?

Fringe Science Division :p Ok, ok, I love that show, mostly because of Walter Bishop, the science focus reminded me :)
 
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The reason i bought this game,

400 Billion star systems, an incredibly vast, beautiful, awe-inspiring Galaxy to roam freely in,, i mean no disrespect to anyone here, ( i've had GTA5 since it's release and still love it ), pew pew is always pew pew,, in whatever genre it's played in, and there are countless, but having a 400 Billion star system Galaxy to free roam and explore, is why i'm here.

Saying that, the idea of an Explorers nation, a system that we could call home, return safely to, that any Explorers that need to trade at any point to upgrade, could trade from to support, that Explorers that like a bit of pew pew now and then could pew pew to defend, keep safe, escort Explorers on their return.
Just thinking here, looking at the size of the Explorers forum, the amount of activity, the number of posters, if there was a single home as such, i'm thinking that it just could become "all things to all people" as far as we Explorers are concerned,, spend as much, or as little time there as you wished,, meet there, trade from there, defend there, pew pew guys could maybe have a defence wing near the drop out point, to quickly dispose of any undesireables, and escort returning Cmdrs, and if at some point the "home system" provided discounted modules, data bonuses, as i say, could become all things,,, just my thoughts on it,,,, i myself, been out over a month, just wandering, and at around 26,000 still feel too close to the bubble lol
 
This is a great idea in theory, but I admit I'll need to reread this thread a couple more times to partially comprehend the ins & outs of what is trying to be accomplished, plus all the various steps/pitfalls.
 
INRA might be a viable lore based faction to glom on to. They are a Science Research Division that is an independant entity formed to create high level technology to combat the Thargoid invasion, which later morphed into tracking exploration data in order to avoid future conflict with the Thargoids. They would probably pay top dollar to ensure that the bulk of exploration data passed through their data banks before being sold on to Universal Cartographics.

The issue with INRA though is that they're a secretive lot, like the CIA or MI6. Not likely to publish their location unless it was a just a front for their real purposes. If the lore was followed to a T then their real headquaters would be a permit system that would be fairly difficult to access.
 
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Since we have to start soon and find a place that's also juicy for resident players, i think the SEPP is a good choice. It leaves us the RP freedom to do our stuff, and the situation there is deeply kmown by cancro. I don't know about secret agency, probably wouldn't like much. There's a time limit to build up everything, and i fear a too lomg discussion om where could disperse things. Also many players already agreed on there.
so my vote goes to SEPP
(told the one that's not planning to come back untill Horizon BETA announcement)
well, if the situation gets bad helping could be a reason to go blue (inbound), and i can start by selling all the data at suggested station. If we are rushing just tell me.
 
SEPP is one possibility. It is an decent pair of systems, but it has lots of problems and is quite close to several PP powers and has already been interfered with by the Federation and the Alliance. Mahon has been eyeing ELEU because of the rares bonus. They will likely re-attempt to take the system once they regain enough Command Capital to try again. I am currently looking into several other more distant areas, although with the Simgurus already willing to pay for upkeep on a outpost outside of human space, I am starting to think that no place is "safe".

Ya, I was kind of looking around for other options as well. To be honest, I'm almost considering finding an isolated system on the edge and building rep so I can call the system mine, then using that as my own personal base. But it would probably easier if I joined the group here. I'm currently looking at Cismontani, but I'm unfamiliar with the background sim, and I have no idea what I should be looking for in a system. Any advice on that respect?

Also, as far as names go, I would be far more likely to join you guys if the name was changed, as I think names have a great importance, and I wasn't a big fan of SEPP's name. As a suggestion, how about Silent Cartographers, silent to show our lone-wolf attitude and cartographers to show an association with UC. Though knowing Microsoft, that might be cause for a lawsuit. Perhaps something a little more original would be better.
 
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