General / Off-Topic I REFUSE to Buy Microsoft, BUT I will buy anything you make for Mac or expecially PS4

2) Mac isn't getting Horizons due to the fact that they will be using compute shaders and OpenGL doesn't use them. Apple will introduce Metal at some point and that framework WILL be able to use compute shaders, so you're basically playing a waiting game due to your hatred for Windows.

How in the world was the thread not closed after this post?!
 
It's secret business and money, folks. David Braben shook hands with Microsoft to make people buy PC if they have a Mac, just as they wanted us to buy an Xbox for CQC for the impatient. Trust me, my dad owns a business and he knows this tactic.
 
I got a Mac because I develop for iPhone, and Apple have very effectively closed down development to require Xcode on Mac OS X. But after adjusting, I found that I liked the environment - a lot - and that the hardware was extremely well designed. My company has had a significant decline in hardware failure since moving from PCs to Macs (but maybe our previous mistake was to use Dell). I've used UNIX machines for 24 years, and OS X's UNIX underpinnings means that pretty much any command line-based tool I want to install I could do so (don't talk to me about Cygwin!).

But that's just my experience. Mac OS for me is just as valid as a desktop environment as Windows. It's a considered opinion. But as I said earlier, I don't *expect* FD to continue developing ED for Mac if it's not economic to do so.
I'm not saying Mac is bad, I'm just saying, there's always equally good alternatives, use what you want :)
You say "after adjusting" which sounds a bit odd, I mean if you are stuck with it you might as well learn to like it? And as for decline in failure rate, it sounds...off, you sure you aren't referring to Software failure? because the hardware inside 99% of Mac's now is the same as windows pc's Mac doesn't have unique hardware any more since they dropped the power processor last I checked? So yeah, hardware failure is not related to the OS, unless OS is forcing hardware to do something it shouldn't naturally, but that is unlikely?

Mac is just too limited and (in my eyes) too design orientated, they, in my eyes, at times chose to make stuff way more elaborate then it needs to be, granted its a while (read at least 4 years) since I've used one so they may have fixed that.

But yeah, my whole point is that people should use what they want, and that you should be very careful with being brand loyal.
 
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I'm fairly certain there is only one platform version for PC(Windows/Mac). It doesn't matter what version you buy or on what machine; the mac version is the PC version and the Windows version is the PC version. Basically it's just "PC platform." So whatever you buy for the PC platform you can use it on either Mac or PC. The only time i've ever seen a company discern between the two is when Activision tried to squeeze as much money out of Call of Duty as possible when they released the Mac version of Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Also, I think you should stick to coding and stay away from trying to predict market trends. As is the Mac isn't growing by much if at all. Windows is still, as a whole, 90% of the market share. https://www.netmarketshare.com/oper...=9&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=176&qpnp=24&qptimeframe=M Both Mac and Windows have pretty much dug in for the last five years with Window's highest market share at 91% in 2009. According to the stats linked Mac has actually lost .01 of the market share since 2013. Then you have to consider how Mac actually rose from 5% pre-2009 to it's current 7%: It's immense success in the smartphone market. Given it's almost been 10 years I sincerely doubt we'll see any big change in market share especially in way of Mac overcoming any huge hurdles. Apple's Mac would be lucky to break 10% by 2018 at this rate if the OS even holds any relevance by that time besides the same audience it's always had; that being a very, very niche group which mostly consists of the stereotypical hipster crowd only spurn on by iOS which, as you should be aware, has lost a significant share in it's own market since 2010. iOS only now garners 41% of the mobile OS market share which is a far cry from what it was and a steep drop from it's rival, Android.

Point is, everyone is losing interest in Apple products. The golden age of Apple died with Steve Jobs(May he rest in peace). Right now Apple is all about holding onto what it's already got. The "iGeneration" has come and gone, you're two years too late to make such blind statements as to the relevance of OSX and the fate of Windows.

I would like very much to see any facts proving your point that everyone is losing interest in Apple products.

Maybe the market share is not growing much but Mac shipments have been outclassing most other PC vendors worldwide for several years now, as mentioned by IDC in their 2014 report here: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25372415.

As your comment about iOS, yes, Android has more devices but it sells mostly to cheapsakes and clueless, the kind that buy low quality, dumbfounding hardware that run Microsoft ware. You know, there are far more cockroaches than human on this planet but that doesn't make them smarter than humans. The only company that makes a decent profit in the mobile area is Apple, there is no denying of it. Samsung is bleeding money as it has to give away its iPhones imitations to clear their inventory. There are no other Android handset maker that makes 5% of the profit in the mobile space. So, I think you're disingenuous with your assessment that iOS is losing ground and it clearly shows that you are an Apple hater because, deep inside you, you know that Apple makes the best products.
 
Mac is just too limited and (in my eyes) too design orientated, they, in my eyes, at times chose to make stuff way more elaborate then it needs to be, granted its a while (read at least 4 years) since I've used one so they may have fixed that.

Your comment shows that you never really used a Mac. This is the old perception that Mac are only good for graphics. I do everything I need on a Mac. I've had more games than I care to play as well. And I've been running my Mac *WITHOUT* any anti-virus, anti-adware and anti-spyware since 2001. To me, that's a big factor.

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Because there's an important debate to be had about the resources being wasted trying to get the game and its expansions working on inferior hardware for a vocal minority.

Please, bring us facts on your statement that it is inferior hardware. Otherwise, you should go back under your rainbow, behind the cloud.
 
What's "better" is largely subjective here. Ditch your brand loyalty and you'll see the good and bad points in both products. Besides, both Microsoft and Apple care about you as much as an automated phone service is really "sorry for keeping you waiting".
 
Because there's an important debate to be had about the resources being wasted trying to get the game and its expansions working on inferior hardware for a vocal minority.

just quoting someone from a kickstarter many moons ago, talking about moving my gaming to mac ...

"I'm similar. Just moving to a Macbook Pro. Dual boot OSX/Windows though, as I still need some things under Windows...
David"

i would call this gent "fairly vocal" in his own quiet way around here ;)
 

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This is only tangentially related to ED at this point. Moved to Off-Topic forum.
 
Your comment shows that you never really used a Mac. This is the old perception that Mac are only good for graphics. I do everything I need on a Mac. I've had more games than I care to play as well. And I've been running my Mac *WITHOUT* any anti-virus, anti-adware and anti-spyware since 2001. To me, that's a big factor.

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Please, bring us facts on your statement that it is inferior hardware. Otherwise, you should go back under your rainbow, behind the cloud.

If it gets online, it ain't safe, keep telling yourself that your Mac isn't open to virus issues, got a buddy that's been creating those for almost 20 years now, I've been known to make a few myself once upon a time. 20+ years in IT, Director of IT for the company I work for, finding holes, exploits and creating software that did nasty thing used to be a hobby when I was younger, nothing is secure, anyone thinking otherwise is a fool or lying. Apple has known for many years that their software isn't safe from viruses, malware and exploits, on the Mac OR the iPhone, oddly enough, they don't see to like making that fact known, I wonder why.....

Tell you what though, when the Apple based OS's hit more than 20% of the total worldwide market, you let me know, I'll get another Apple based system again. Since MS OS's currently hold 91% of the worldwide market, I'm thinking I won't be heading to an Apple store any time in my lifetime. Win10 now holds 5% of the worldwide market, and it's only been out for a month, OS-X holds how much again?
 
I would like very much to see any facts proving your point that everyone is losing interest in Apple products.

Maybe the market share is not growing much but Mac shipments have been outclassing most other PC vendors worldwide for several years now, as mentioned by IDC in their 2014 report here: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25372415.

As your comment about iOS, yes, Android has more devices but it sells mostly to cheapsakes and clueless, the kind that buy low quality, dumbfounding hardware that run Microsoft ware. You know, there are far more cockroaches than human on this planet but that doesn't make them smarter than humans. The only company that makes a decent profit in the mobile area is Apple, there is no denying of it. Samsung is bleeding money as it has to give away its iPhones imitations to clear their inventory. There are no other Android handset maker that makes 5% of the profit in the mobile space. So, I think you're disingenuous with your assessment that iOS is losing ground and it clearly shows that you are an Apple hater because, deep inside you, you know that Apple makes the best products.
One thing your stats are entirely missing, namely people that upgrade previous computers with components, or assemble their own computer, or get it assembled by a company, these computers, which are on a ton of sites, are not counted in this statistics and I can't imagine their numbers are low.

As for your "cheapsakes and clueless" comment, you might want to take a step back and take in a breath and calm down. It IS entirely possible that people prefer android even though you do, and it is entirely possible that android sells more because it has a significantly larger and more diverse device list.

And the fact that Apple earns more shouldn't be an argument FOR getting Apple, but actually against, their insane margin on their product means that they are creating their products CHEAPER then many android makers, would you have us believe that it is only Apple that has found a magical formulae to make very cheap but high quality products?
 
Out of interest, what does an Xbox One do that a PS4 does not in terms of being an all in one entertainment system?

I thought is was just a case of marketing rather than anything really. I have a PS4, or at least my kids do and it does many things like TV etc.. Also I have an autistic daughter and she can use a PS4 very well for some reason. It maybe that she could also use the Xbox one, but she is unable to grasp the Xbox 360. I don't really understand why. I guess that's just autism more than anything.

But that's why I ask. I am considering buying her a console for herself and not sure which to get. She doesn't play games and really only uses the media side. At the moment thats amazon and youtube. I was just wondering if there is something on the Xbox I have overlooked that maybe make it more worthwhile for her.
from what I know from owning both consoles, the xbox does have more kid friendly games with the kinect. Even though I personally despise that damn thing, it actually keeps my younger cousins highly active while playing a motion game (for when they have too much candy they need to burn off)
 
Please, bring us facts on your statement that it is inferior hardware. Otherwise, you should go back under your rainbow, behind the cloud.

Pretty much most Apple hardware is at least a generation behind; we don't need facts for this, you just have to compare what Apple release as brand new vs what's already out there.

The newer Macs have much better hardware than in the past, but even so .. still behind the rest charging more than everyone else. On my local website for Apple, they're advertising the latest Mac with Yosemite and punting the Haswell architecture as the latest architecture, not only is Haswell old news, it's also 2 generations behind the current architecture releases.

Graphics: Your choices: Intel HD or a GT 755M ... really?

All of those for the low low price of your soul and first unborn child.

For the price of a Mac, I can get a machine with a Titan stuffed inside it. No, Apple make good looking, solid products (this is what sells, this is what fans like) using sub-par hardware, with an OS DESIGNED to use the hardware available in the machine (so yes, it of course it'll be more stable) all wrapped in great customer service. This is pure fact.

Sorry, Mac punts inferior hardware stuffed inside a well-built frame. It's all well an good to own a car that looks like a Ferrari, but what good is it when it's powered by a VW Polo engine?
 
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Pretty much most Apple hardware is at least a generation behind; we don't need facts for this, you just have to compare what Apple release as brand new vs what's already out there.

The newer Macs have much better hardware than in the past, but even so .. still behind the rest charging more than everyone else. On my local website for Apple, they're advertising the latest Mac with Yosemite and punting the Haswell architecture as the latest architecture, not only is Haswell old news, it's also 2 generations behind the current architecture releases.

Graphics: Your choices: Intel HD or a GT 755M ... really?

All of those for the low low price of your soul and first unborn child.

For the price of a Mac, I can get a machine with a Titan stuffed inside it. No, Apple make good looking, solid products (this is what sells, this is what fans like) using sub-par hardware, with an OS DESIGNED to use the hardware available in the machine (so yes, it of course it'll be more stable) all wrapped in great customer service. This is pure fact.

Sorry, Mac punts inferior hardware stuffed inside a well-built frame. It's all well an good to own a car that looks like a Ferrari, but what good is it when it's powered by a VW Polo engine?

Oh yes, on using your personal data like Google does, I agree with you, Apple is not only one but a few generations behind!

Clueless means that a lot of Android users are not aware (I'm sure even you are not aware) of where your data ends up when it gets in Google's hands. Hey, Google has to make up some money to offer an entire operating system for free! But a lot of clueless users are not aware of it. They just look at the screen size and the wonderful colors and they are happy. Good for them, it doesn't take a lot to keep them content.

As for your statement, it's just again a hollow argument. I don't think Apple is using sub-par hardware but you are entitled to your opinion. Again, it doesn't mean anything, you're not offering any substantial facts that Apple is using sub-par hardware. I would however argue that Apple has been pushing a lot of technologies that many Windows users are benefitting now. Apple was the first company to push Wi-Fi back with their first Airport station, back in June of 1999 where the vast majority of Windows users didn't even know you could connect to a network wirelessly. Apple was also the first one to ditch the floppy drive that many PC manufacturers kept bundling in their boring hardware. Apple was the first laptop manufacturer to push the keyboard further away on their laptops so your hands could comfortably type on the keyboard. It was Apple that ditched its ADB peripheral protocol and adopted USB before most major PC manufacturers. Heck, it was Apple that popularized the first GUI for a desktop computers, while you were all still typing C:\!

What did Microsoft innovate during all those years? Countless problems of compatibility with drivers, conflicting IRQ, blue screen of death with cryptic messages that no mortal can understand.

Now, if you really can't see it, I'm afraid you are blinded by too many years of contemplating that wonderful meadow on your desktop and be delighted by the nice little song that is played after you login in your Windows account.
 
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