The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0
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I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
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Thank you for that, much appreciated.
I'm sure everyone here really values your professional opinion, even more when it comes from someone that knows both games (ED & SC) from the inside out. That leads me to another issue, you might read a lot of stuff here that makes you face-palm, cringe or just smile but I would like you to know that we are just passionate people for playing games, and that we love discussing about it, even If I know nothing about coding, crunch times, bug solving, loading times, streaming or whatever game developing problems you guys encounter, and I speak for myself, I know that behind all those issues you guys are only humans and if you sometimes read unpleasant things about missing deadlines or this "feature sucks" or is "a bugged mess" don't take it as a general thing, most of the backers are really supportive and understand that things take their time and all your efforts are appreciated tremendously, I know you guys are gonna rock the CitizenCom in Manchester, Foundry42 has already the reputation for setting the bar really high in terms of quality assets! Everything coming from you guys just wow's people!
Congratulations for the "blurry thing" , it was one of the Highlights of the Gamescom Demo and I people will be happy to know it was not a loading screen:
Another couple of really quick questions about this from the Multicrew Demo:
One last question, since all the GFX team is in Manchester you must have seen a lot of cool stuff by now, what impressed you the most? (no details needed, just overall aspect of it)
Thanks again, sorry if I'm pushing my luck, again feel free to pull the plug whenever you want!
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If the delay wasn't there, there would be no reason to have the animation, since the entire purpose of the animation is to hide/mask the delay in the first place. Also I don't understand why match-making delays would cause a longer animation in solo (where you would have no matchmaking), are you sure you don't mean longer animations in open (where you do actually have matchmaking)?
Loading data can be from any source really, whether it's local data (i.e. memory or HDD), or network data (stuff like match-making), hence the names for downloading and uploading. Also just for the record, I might not have been entirely consistent on this in my posts, but I wouldn't categorize what happens in Elite with SC as a (traditional) loading screen, I would categorize it as a "hidden" loading screen.
And just for the record, I'm not trying to bash Elite here, nor to defend SC. The effect on gameplay from the "hidden" loading screens with SC in Elite are quite negligible, and Star Citizen will undoubtedly have similar ones in various gameplay scenarios (planetary landings is one that we already know of).
I think you have to first of all consider the game play involved, without reference to what is happening behind the scenes. ie Would the user expect some sort of visible effect (animation) and how long would that be expected to last. If you then have to extend the animation beyond its natural length because of what needs to happen in the background then you are using the animation as a mask. That's what we see moving from solo to open, the matchmaking needs do its pieces and open can take longer and the animation extends to mask that time elapsed.
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Agreed, and this extended animation (beyond its natural length) is what I'm categorizing as a "hidden" loading screen. If someone doesn't like me using that term thats fine, but that doesn't change the fact that the "unnaturally" long animation is still there, and it wouldn't be there if it didn't take as much time to load the various data in the background (hence my use of the term "hidden" loading screen).
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If I had a pound for every time Troels used the words "hidden" loading screen, I'd be able to make my own BDSSE.
Didn't you hear, it's a BDFPSWYCAFSS now (Best Damn First Person Shooter Where You Can Also Fly a Space Ship).
If I had a pound for every time Troels used the words "hidden" loading screen, I'd be able to make my own BDSSE.
By all means, tell me what you would call it instead then, or are you just threadcrapping at this point?
"We're trying to do something different, we've been kicking it around a little bit here but what we're, thinking is that rather than call Star Citizen a space sim, because it's a lot of things it's a first person shooter and it's a space sim in the traditional sense that you used to fly ships around and fight with each other and it's a trading and economy game and it has a single player we're thinking of it as a first person universe. Star Citizen is a first person universe and you can pretty much go and do, all these different things and visit all these different places in this universe in an incredibly high amount of detail in first person and just so happens that one of the biggest things you can do is fly ships around and you're there, your in it. So all that will be part of helping create the mechanics." Chris RobertsDidn't you hear, it's a BDFPSWYCAFSS now (Best Damn First Person Shooter Where You Can Also Fly a Space Ship).
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It's all just marketing guff - trying to come up with a strap line that works.
Personally I think going with the BDSSE was an error - they just gave people a big stick to beat them with.
Being a professional forum warrior all the time gets tiring, we're all gamers in the end.
It helps to lighten up sometimes and take a friendly joke.
Where the smilies too small that you missed them?
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So instead of adding anything useful to the discussion, you decided to just start making jokes instead? I suppose that's one way to go.
Also I'm somewhat perplexed that you apparently find it amusing that someone would tend to use a given term often, when discussing that very same term:
Voivod: "lol, Troelses keeps using the words "hidden" loading screen in a discussion about "hidden" loading screens, whats up with that?!".
I'm guessing that any semi-technical discussion really cracks you up.
I don't really have any comment for the list as a whole (it's quite obviously just a tongue in cheek list of whine), but I did find fact 21 somewhat interesting.
To my knowledge, the only person in the video game industry who has any knowledge about designing a functioning spaceship would be John Carmack. I couldn't help but think that it would be kind of cool, if he got together with Elon Musk to make a space sim (Elon Musk made a "space sim" when he was 12).
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They won't. But once a moddable version becomes available (I'm talking about full release and running own servers), I and others will.
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