The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0

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I found the other games section ok, a bit silly at times, a bit overly critical at others but not too bad on the whole.
But the subreddit...ugh, the lack of objectivity is just so nauseating. It's cheerlead central or get the frak out.
 
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I still can't read the Elite thread in the RSI community forums. Just baffling.

RSI seems to really want to force me to buy their product to get simple reading access.
It is quite perplexing. I do not get it. I have difficulty to accept this is how RSI wants to present itself.
It is hard to imagine them thinking they will ever sell anything to someone like me with such methods.
I do not want to have anything to do with such a company. For me SC is definitely off the table now.
 
I still can't read the Elite thread in the RSI community forums. Just baffling.

RSI seems to really want to force me to buy their product to get simple reading access.
It is quite perplexing. I do not get it. I have difficulty to accept this is how RSI wants to present itself.
It is hard to imagine them thinking they will ever sell anything to someone like me with such methods.
I do not want to have anything to do with such a company. For me SC is definitely off the table now.

Yes - it is an interesting strategy and I feel the same. I just went looking for a new game and found Crown of the Gods a remake of Lord of Ultima - so I am well pleased. Would definitely not have found it otherwise so RSI did me a huge favour.
 
I still can't read the Elite thread in the RSI community forums. Just baffling.

RSI seems to really want to force me to buy their product to get simple reading access.
It is quite perplexing. I do not get it. I have difficulty to accept this is how RSI wants to present itself.
It is hard to imagine them thinking they will ever sell anything to someone like me with such methods.
I do not want to have anything to do with such a company. For me SC is definitely off the table now.

I doubt they're worried about the 10 or so people, yourself included, who have been sitting on the fence for the last 3 years while holding up free forum access as the only thing keeping you in the "maybe one day" column.
 

jcrg99

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I thought that video was very good and educational. Thanks for the link! :)


The change referred to here is not only to protect against spammers but to reduce the hate posts from outsiders who don't have any interest in Star Citizen, such as Derek Smart, Jcrg99/Manzes/PonyMillar/he*. So this is a great descision IMO. Just two years overdue. :)


* https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5304637/#Comment_5304637

I don't post in the RSI forums since 2013 and I never made "hate" posts in their forums, so please, stop to spread your lies here in the Frontier forums too, Mr. Star Citizen whale. Flagged for harassment.
 

jcrg99

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RSI - just lost me as a potential customer with their website decision. Not impressed at all. Never had a warning or probation and dumped like that - nice.
Actually, CIG promissed that not just the forums, but the entire content that they share would be exclusive for backers. They even used that as a sales bait, making people rush to pledge at the beginning and during the first months after the end of the original funding campaign. There is no doubt about that, since its all public record. Ask me and I bring the proof if there is interest on that.
Technically they decided only now, 10 months behind the schedule, to accomplish in a very tiny part, with that promisse.
 

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Actually, CIG promissed that not just the forums, but the entire content that they share would be exclusive for backers.

They're never going to go that extreme, potential backers need information in order to decide whether or not to back in the first place so putting the marketing fluff behind a pay wall would put a major squeeze on new funding.

At the end of the day it's their forums and they can do what they like but what it really comes down to is censorship, their moderators can simply move anything they consider negative into forums that potential backers can't access in order to present a squeaky clean image to those considering backing.
 

jcrg99

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They're never going to go that extreme, potential backers need information in order to decide whether or not to back in the first place so putting the marketing fluff behind a pay wall would put a major squeeze on new funding.

At the end of the day it's their forums and they can do what they like but what it really comes down to is censorship, their moderators can simply move anything they consider negative into forums that potential backers can't access in order to present a squeaky clean image to those considering backing.

They already have been adopting this tactic of censorship since a long time. Customers that become of by legit reasons, because the company make mistakes (in purpose or not), are also quickly demonized.
I am not discussing if they should or not the close their doors to potential cusomers, but they used that as sales bait and never followed their word, which decreases their trust bar, in my opinion, like many other things that they did.
What they did was wrong and what they are doing now is wrong too, because has not that objective, not the intent to fullfil a promisse of exclusivity that broken, goes directly against their speech of morality, and respect to ALL backers, including those who were convinced and felt the need to pledge earlier because that, but with the objective to, once again, raise the idea of "enemies all over the place envious of cig, haters, blablabla", so people continue to believe in a holy quest vs. Demons.
But if you want to know my opinion, I think that as more people CIG bring earlier, less chances they have to succeed in the medium/long term. That's why I think they should had to accomplish with their promise and built the wall.
Time will prove me right. It has proving already (and that is why these fans hate me even more) and I don't see the trend changing, since I only see cig, with proud and ego, going directly to a train wreck without ever boring to put their feet in the breaks, to hope to save something at the end.
 
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I do not read that section on the RSI forums. Make more sense to discuss ED on ED forums. And make no sense to me to compare these very different kind of space sim productions.
How ever with part near milion backers. They have a large enough pool of gamers for feedback. There are enough backers venting there worries like a looping LP. As backer you are supporting the game and are entiteld on early feedback influencing production. CR stated that due to this early feedback they early on know which features or choices fit the gamers best. Instead asume. How ever feedback from non backer are in essence potentional buyer when it is out. How ever 1 milion of gamer or 3 milion of gamers feedback won't bring much. But that not the isue.
It section where gamers compare ED with SC also the place where the fanboy holigans do there thing.
CR is supportive to other space sim and the other game section is means to point there backers to other space sims.
But it not meant for holigan war field.
If you have problems with CiG and there production. It not the Other game section to vent it. But the core SC forums.

To me it make no sense to trash SC in other games section and be suprised they closed it for non backers.
There simple reason for a other game holigan won't be backer.
And any gamer has acces to a lot of big game forums to trash CoD and SC and whatever the want.
So do I and the thing that I observe is that those other forums gamers are much more positive.
Why, these fanboys these holigans are mostly found in there lions den and near there prey.

My opinion , any forum has the right and need to take measures to keep the holigans out.
 
My opinion , any forum has the right and need to take measures to keep the holigans out.

Please stop assuming that anyone who hasn't backed the game was there to bash SC.
There were plenty of non-backer posters who were interested in the game but still not ready to back it.
Also posters who were fine to discuss other games or aspects of the game they thought they could.
Just like there are people on this thread who have no interest in ED but are just here to discuss SC.

The majority of game forums don't make you buy their game in order to have access on the forums.
You can deal with the very small number of people who make accounts just to troll by targetted warning/banning.. just like forums have been doing for decades now.
Anyway, CIG has a healthy number of backers so I doubt their forums will suffer or anything.
 
That sounds like the complete opposite of the Elite thread that I frequent on the Star Citizen forums, where every 5 minutes any thread that dares to mention Elite, even in passing, gets merged; complete with vitriolic, abusive and trolling posts from SC fanbois who slag off any game that isn't their beloved Star Citizen.

This also sadly happens in the No Man's Sky thread as well, so it's not exclusive to the Elite thread.

Are we that different? Its happening here too - just try to mention EVE in general discussion and see what will happen ;)
 
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I found the other games section ok, a bit silly at times, a bit overly critical at others but not too bad on the whole.
But the subreddit...ugh, the lack of objectivity is just so nauseating. It's cheerlead central or get the frak out.
I cringe a lot at the "praise CIG" posts, but the discussions are always nice to read and there's a lot less trolling/dumb concern threads.

Regardless of who you address it to, "fanboy" is a derogatory term and should not be used here.
Fair enough. I'll try use something else next time.
 
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