Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Jockey79]

Moderators are volunteers recruited from the community - we are not Frontier representatives and, as such, are not privy to such information.

Even if you knew, you'd not be able to talk about it.
Just like if someone gets a ban on the forums - it's personal and not open for public discussion.

Though some people have owned up getting 5 day shadow bans from the game, they didn't say what it was for however.
And a shadow ban does not stop someone from playing - only from being part of the wider game. So it's not really a punishment in my book.

 

[ianw]

Players HAVE been shadow-banned (aka punished) though, so I see it as them keeping their promise. Some logs though I imagine, are genuine. I feel bad for those layers, bu I imagine they only punish repeat offenders. I don;t honestly know though, I have met a few loggers. I reported them all. Perhaps Robert Maynard can confirm whether anyone has been banned or not? I think they have, the other possibility is that there is a massive conspiracy, and FDEV are lying to us. I don't think so.

Perhaps this thread will help you...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143641

Well that post from Michael Brookes in that confirms the existence of a shadowban "server" but that's common knowledge - I was sitting but 10 feet away from David Braben when he said as much at some do - I think I've seen him say it twice actually.

I asked for the official list of people banned for combat logging. I can't take the word of other players or even mods in this matter (who are players volunteering to act as mods).

I can wait whilst you find it - no pressure.

(though it should be said that combat logging is kind of off topic in this thread).

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Well that post from Michael Brookes in that confirms the existence of a shadowban "server" but that's common knowledge - I was sitting but 10 feet away from David Braben when he said as much at some do - I think I've seen him say it twice actually.

I asked for the official list of people banned for combat logging. I can't take the word of other players or even mods in this matter (who are players volunteering to act as mods).

I can wait whilst you find it - no pressure.

(though it should be said that combat logging is kind of off topic in this thread).

If it is, then why continue to ask me for the statistics? If Robert Maynard is not privy to such things, as he pointed out, what makes you think a humble Cmdr such as myself would have that kind of access? But I have to ask, Do you think FDEV have lied about punishing loggers? Honest question...

 

[ianw]

If it is, then why continue to ask me for the statistics? If Robert Maynard is not privy to such things, as he pointed out, what makes you think a humble Cmdr such as myself would have that kind of access? But I have to ask, Do you think FDEV have lied about punishing loggers? Honest question...

Honestly I can't say.

FD have said lots of things that haven't happened and lots of things that have happenned so based on experience it could go either way.

The point I'm making is that you are trying to assert something as fact when - as far as I can see - you have no direct evidence.

If it helps what you have is what's known as hearsay evidence of banning from third parties - not FD.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Honestly I can't say.

FD have said lots of things that haven't happened and lots of things that have happenned so based on experience it could go either way.

The point I'm making is that you are trying to assert something as fact when - as far as I can see - you have no direct evidence.

If it helps what you have is what's known as hearsay evidence.

Not only that, but a claim from the developer, whom i trust. If you do not trust them, then that is up to you ( but that is certainly a discussion for another thread )

 

[ianw]

Not only that, but a claim from the developer, whom i trust. If you do not trust them, then that is up to you ( but that is certainly a discussion for another thread )

Whether I trust what they say or not is entirely irrelevant - I'm simply looking for an authoritative statement of how many people have been banned for combat logging from the source.

If you can produce that I will happily concede the point. If you can't then I will take it as hearsay.

I'm not disputing that they said they will ban people.

 

[Vorxian]

an officially supported Open-PvE mode.....

+1
That is such a fantastic idea. I'd +100 if I could

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Whether I trust what they say or not is entirely irrelevant - I'm simply looking for an authoritative statement of how many people have been banned for combat logging from the source.

If you can produce that I will happily concede the point.

I'm not disputing that they said they will ban people.

If you can't then I will take it as hearsay.

Yes, you said in the last post, you consider it hearsay. But you are wrong, it is not all I have to go on. I have the word of the devs. Again, I am amused you told me several posts back that this was off-topic), but you keep requesting documentation I do not have access to, as I do not work for frontier developments. You have given me no reasons as to why I should doubt these claims. Is my claim as extraordinary as your claim? I think not. I see no need for the tin foil hat to emerge. You are entitled to your position that they have been untruthful with regard to their punishment of combat logging, even if it is a spurious one. Anyway, I am here to talk about the Game modes, as per the title of the discussion thread. As I said in my previous post, we can discuss this in a new thread if you wish?

 

[ianw]

.... but you keep requesting documentation I do not have access to, as I do not work for frontier developments.

That's all I was looking for. Thanks.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

That's all I was looking for. Thanks.

Tin foil Hats it is then This thread is VERY different to the rest of the forum, I wonder why so few of these so called "Open Advocates" are here? Perhaps they are all on ignore lists. Either way, it was interesting hearing what this corner of the forum thinks over the last few days, it is refreshing to hear some of the radical proposals (such as remove Open, PvP is not Supported, Devs lie to us about punishments) that have been placed on the table Anyway, good night Cmdrs, and remember, it is only a game, and all the modes are equal and valid (but I prefer open, that is just my opinion). Peace

 

[ianw]

Tin foil Hats it is then

Sorry I'm not getting it - is that some sort of in joke? Actually don't worry about it. I quite like your idea of another thread to argue on though but I'll leave it with you - I won't be offended if you decide against it.

I'm off to bed now - I guess from the time stamp on some of your posts you may be on another time zone but it's 2306 here and I'm done.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

What does the number of people in Mobius have to do with having a PVE mode in the game available for anyone of the 900000 or whatever it is number of game owners?

Oh I just saw this, forgot to address the point. A number of PvE advocates here are claiming the Moebius group is evidence of a desire for a PvE option. Hope this clears things up. Perhaps they are mistaken though, and it means little..

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Talking of 14 months, I have still not had an infraction of any kind, in the interests of keeping it like that I am going to go an play the game.

Well I still respect YOUR opinion.

 

[Dave1235]

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Since you like dancing around the point, I'll simply re-quote your original sentence- see below. Your assertion is that Mobius "represents a small percentage of the player base", thus also asserting that it's a minority in comparison as a whole- therefore by logic also asserting that "everyone else" is a majority.

Assert and speculate all you wish... if you don't have proof to back it up- it's simply a theory, not a fact.

Ok not the best numbers but lets use some we can prove (and add some assumptions)

Forum members (for ED) 52,794, Mobius members (my login screen 10,920)

Now the assumption (and its a bit of a leap, but I am welcome to other metrics, if they have a factual basis), most of the members of the Mobius group found it through this forum? (where else?)

So 10,820 / 52,794 = 20%, and lets not forget those people that joined the forum and never came back, I reckon that 20% is a very low estimate seeing as Brett told us > 50% look once and never return.

 

[The Wallet Inspector]

Ok not the best numbers but lets use some we can prove (and add some assumptions)

Forum members (for ED) 52,794, Mobius members (my login screen 10,920)

Now the assumption (and its a bit of a leap, but I am welcome to other metrics, if they have a factual basis), most of the members of the Mobius group found it through this forum? (where else?)

So 10,820 / 52,794 = 20%, and lets not forget those people that joined the forum and never came back, I reckon that 20% is a very low estimate seeing as Brett told us > 50% look once and never return.

So you operate under the false premise that every ED player is active on the forums. But given the forum numbers of 50000, it is still pitiful compared to the 800000 player base. I provided a pie chart up there to help give a rough visual guide to what that actually means I did not claim Moebius was a minority of the forum base, I claimed it was a minority of the commanders who bought the game. Either way, even if half of them have decided never to play again, it would STILL be a minority (11000 out of 400,000). Again, I am providing nice round numbers, so as not to confuse anyone

 

[Jockey79]

Ok not the best numbers but lets use some we can prove (and add some assumptions)

Forum members (for ED) 52,794, Mobius members (my login screen 10,920)

Now the assumption (and its a bit of a leap, but I am welcome to other metrics, if they have a factual basis), most of the members of the Mobius group found it through this forum? (where else?)

So 10,820 / 52,794 = 20%, and lets not forget those people that joined the forum and never came back, I reckon that 20% is a very low estimate seeing as Brett told us > 50% look once and never return.

Did you type the Mobius number wrong? Mine shows;



And I've got 2 readings for the forums, on the main page is 88,157 and on the link for "Member List" I have 52,797
I forget the reason for that (one of the mods did explain it a while ago), but either way some of the members are nothing to do with ED, as it's the same login for all FD games.
So some people may (for example) just be for Coaster, others for Zoo Tycoon and so on.

 

[Cody]

... on the main page is 88,157 and on the link for "Member List" I have 52,797 I forget the reason for that...

Something to do with locked accounts, I think - spambots etc?

 

[Jockey79]

Something to do with locked accounts, I think - spambots etc?

Sounds familiar, I think that's it. I dare say one of the Mods will enlighten us at some point.
(Unless someone gives a Mod a nudge to clarify)

And 30,000 locked accounts!?
Wow, that's some going for spam bots, alts and naughty folks.

 

[Dave1235]

As we say in Texas: Ah Hell no! I don't agree with that statement even in the slightest. I'll be blunt. IMHO, open is for griefers and fools, with virtually no middle ground to speak of. See all the threads last week crying about CODE at Hutton? Notice that I'm not in any of them? Because I'm not stupid enough to bolster their egos and add to the alleged 500+ ships they claim to have taken down. Those that did are just fools in my opinion, you didn't prove a thing, but you gave CODE plenty to mock you about, and they did. You aren't adding to your own gaming experience by feeding a beast like that, you're relegating yourself to content for other players, and I for one refuse.

Damn it , you made me open the Hutton spreadsheet of shame again, 23 runs, 34.5 hours just in SC getting there mainly in Solo & Mobius, I tried open but my FPS dropped to 14, and not a single Mobius or solo player complaining they got attacked at Hutton, funny that .

Also after the PR disaster at Hutton for the pirates, I decided to remind them that they were not the masters of all of the in game mechanics https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=182525

I bet they tried to claim Leesti (for their minor faction) and got told to sod off, I would bet real cash that they chose another system (the arrogance is strong in most of them), lets see, at least anyone who has a grudge now has a way to fight back, if they are grinding to save their faction they will be too busy to do much piracy.

Time will tell

PS 100 tons of gold to the first person who PM's me the codes minor faction station, Big brother continues to watch!

We are at defcon 2 right now, it was defcon 1 not long ago, lets see if we can de-escalate a little more, if not I have a mate with a death star, he said I can borrow it

 

[Dave1235]

I like the Darwinian nature of the mode, I like the way it selects for the toughest players (in my opinion). Also, I like the fact the game has no default PvE controls. It makes the galaxy somewhat ... dangerous. As I said, I can only ASSUME it is the vision of the devs (as there never has been, and probably never will be, a PvE mode), and I agree. Either that or they just forgot to put one in lol. Any player in your instance can attack you. Elite Dangerous.

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Excellent, I hope you have the same view regarding guilds, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=166180

I look forward to your support should guilds ever surface in the forum again, and player owned stations too, its nice to know we agree on some things