given that fd are both developer and publisher it seems unlikely. in the end we put our trust in them and hope they deliver.
F2P Failure and Elite Dangerous
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given that fd are both developer and publisher it seems unlikely. in the end we put our trust in them and hope they deliver.
Yes Exmortis; me also!:smilie:
FWIW most of the people I know do not pay EVE with real life currency, they do it with in game currency. If you look at the in game PLEX market you can see the cracks in the subscription payment model.
Nope; Eve is not ED. Elite Dangerous could do it with subscriptions; I am sure of it.:smilie:
FD really ought to look at this business plan ...
I think it is worth repeating - subs add bad pressure to players to play game not enjoy it, also there's big question why people playing online solo have to pay it, etc. etc.
MT shop with cosmetic shop is the best because if you want to support FD financially, you can buy some skins every month.
If you think subs can replace MT - no, they can't.
MT shop with cosmetic shop is the best because if you want to support FD financially, you can buy some skins every month.
If you think subs can replace MT - no, they can't.
I'm not sure what 'pressure' completely optional subs, (as referenced earlier in this thread), bring tbh. And of course, if optional then those playing solo on or offline don't have to pay it.
A cosmetic MT shop, sitting alongside optional subs harms no-one, (if of course FD does it right), Subs don;t have to replace MT's or vice versa, they can live together in harmony in the ED universe!
Pecisk; yes I think this; this is where you and I disagree. But I don't expect E
to become subscription based. I'm pretty sure what FD thinks.I'm not sure what 'pressure' completely optional subs, (as referenced earlier in this thread), bring tbh. And of course, if optional then those playing solo on or offline don't have to pay it.
A cosmetic MT shop, sitting alongside optional subs harms no-one, (if of course FD does it right), Subs don;t have to replace MT's or vice versa, they can live together in harmony in the ED universe!
What would those "optional" subbers gain? What's your vision?
I'm not sure what 'pressure' completely optional subs, (as referenced earlier in this thread), bring tbh. And of course, if optional then those playing solo on or offline don't have to pay it.
A cosmetic MT shop, sitting alongside optional subs harms no-one, (if of course FD does it right), Subs don;t have to replace MT's or vice versa, they can live together in harmony in the ED universe!
I'm confused... Subs & MT in same game? So what, Subs= Online, MT = either but different content?
I appreciate game makers need return on investment and need to cover costs, I really do, but for years we all managed beautifully fine WITHOUT all this extra crap, including on-line gaming.
MMO's are by and large rubbish. Can anyone seriously tell me that any of the MMO's for the major game houses are better than their Single player counterparts?
Blizzard is the only one to get a moderate free pass in this argument as they took an RTS world and created their MMO out of it and were the first to do it... but its borderline.
But the rest?
SWOTR is horrific in comparison to ANY of the SW single player RPG games. Final Fantasy...ditto. Neverwinter, BIG ditto.
Elder Scrolls online, in all likelihood (based solely on BETA to be fair), exactly the same.
No MMORPG I have personally played and paid for has EVER given me the same joy as a single player RPG game and on top you have to pay a hell of a lot more.
I understand the desire to play online with friends or just against other players, but MMO's are so badly watered down to accommodate this it's borderline daylight robbery. You grind until you get to a certain level, then you wait for the same content with different skins so you can grind some more. When did gaming lose it's originality, it's desire to offer something new?
Most of the time I put this down to publishers, so seeing as Frontier has no Publisher to answer to, I wholly expect a fair system that helps to pay for their costs etc... without fleecing their player base.
I appreciate that there are many who have no issue with a subscription based game, even here in Elite... and many on here are even so involved in the Elite history and Universe that it's even less of an issue.
But honestly, Subscription on top of full price and then an MT shop on top? Optional or not, you cannot help but end up with a game where those you pay more have more.
So assuming FD want MT's to top of coffers and pay for server costs (which should be much less than a MMO) etc... then optional aesthetics are ok. But Full monthly subscriptions are a big no no. F2P = no no. They all end up going the same way.
And finally I approve of FD's model as far as I know it (Not in DDF, so I am not privy to latest info of course) and importantly their desire to bring REAL content to their expansions to create an all encompassing game, rather than "just" new areas to fly in and do the same thing just with a blue nebula instead of a red one.
I appreciate many here have been waiting so long for an Elite game, but as a gamer, we should come to expect more for our money. We do for our films....
While we are at it, what is the latest info on the matter? It's been a hot topic for a while in General and PBF and then the discussions kind of died down because everything had been said ten times and then the Alpha came out.
Thus I am still wondering what exactly the plan is now.
I will guess they will return to DDF topics (there are few left, MT, scavenging, which both are open and most interesting to me wingmen and outfitting) after alpha is over, and more calmer beta starts.
I don't think we've heard anything since the DDF topic was closed (and even then it was pretty minimal). They're still advertising for an E-Commerce Manager, and I don't expect we''ll hear anything until that position's been filled.
It would be interesting to see where the failure of Coaster Crazy to recoup costs came from. Was it was due to a lack of downloads, or because not enough players were converted into paying customers? The game is quite well liked and reviewed, so it doesn't seem a quality issue. I suspect it may be that Frontier weren't aggressive enough with their microtransaction model. From the perspective of a gamer that's a good thing, but it's bad in terms of a FTP business strategy.
It seems that by comparison, the paid-for LostWinds games did relatively well for the company, so I hope the lesson is to focus on paid-for games, rather than sharpening the chisels for more FTP games.
Now, if only they stopped making games exclusive to platforms I don't have access to. Wii/Xbox One/iPad...
It seems that by comparison, the paid-for LostWinds games did relatively well for the company, so I hope the lesson is to focus on paid-for games, rather than sharpening the chisels for more FTP games.
Now, if only they stopped making games exclusive to platforms I don't have access to. Wii/Xbox One/iPad...
Same here. Ready to buy some good FD games for Windows and maybe in future Linux. Won't have iStuff in my life, and don't see consoles in nearest future.
Good man! :smilie:
Not sure why it seems so ludicrous to you that the two can co-exist. Those paying subs and those not do not have to be in 'a different game'. or have 'different content'. As someone who is willing to pay and is pro sub I'm not even asking for 10,000CR per month or anything like that because I'm willing to pay a sub.
Maybe a subs vendor in game that sells some of the cosmetic items available through MT's for in game creds - something like that, but even then if that wasn't to be so be it.
Personal opinion of course but I do not think SWTOR is 'horrific' - sure, its gone downhill a bit since the Cartel Market and F2P option hit, and sure, KOTOR and games like that were very good, but in their day. Sometimes nostalgia is terrible for putting on those rose tinted specs.
In terms of the payment, I mean what honestly could FD charge as an optional sub...£8.00 p/m - £10.00 p/m? I'm not sure that is a horrific cost in anyones book, how many hours of entertainment do you get for that - nothing compares. I mean seriously, one home delivered pizza costs more than that and you get what, 15 mins of enjoyment outta one of those. If you only played ED for 2 hours a day an £8.00 sub costs you just over 13 pence a day. No other entertainment in any field comes that cheap, (except those free entertainments like walking, playing with the kids, the dog whatever).
And why would those who pay more get more by adding an optional subscription? Surely that's going to be the case with any MT shop anyway in terms of those cosmetic goods - if you pay more you get more cosmetic goods, what's the difference?
Horrific was a bit strong, granted, but KOTOR2 was awesome and graphically they are almost on a par!
The issue I have with it all is most F2P almost enforce payment to get anywhere and whilst I have no issue in paying, I do have issue in paying monthly for a lesser game than a SP version from 6yrs or so ago.
I understand that gaming is a very affordable pursuit at a games level pricing in comparison to other forms of entertainment, but that doesn't mean it is ok to switch from pay once and play as much as you like for a great product, to paying monthly for average products.
Doesn't mean ED couldn't do it better and thus be successful, but so far in my experience history isn't on their side (by that i mean I don't know anyone who has implemented both and provided a quality gaming experience). -subjective opinion I appreciate...
Horrific was a bit strong, granted, but KOTOR2 was awesome and graphically they are almost on a par!
The issue I have with it all is most F2P almost enforce payment to get anywhere and whilst I have no issue in paying, I do have issue in paying monthly for a lesser game than a SP version from 6yrs or so ago.
I understand that gaming is a very affordable pursuit at a games level pricing in comparison to other forms of entertainment, but that doesn't mean it is ok to switch from pay once and play as much as you like for a great product, to paying monthly for average products.
Doesn't mean ED couldn't do it better and thus be successful, but so far in my experience history isn't on their side (by that i mean I don't know anyone who has implemented both and provided a quality gaming experience). -subjective opinion I appreciate...
I defo agree on the last part of your post there Ria, let's hope that FD can learn from the mistakes of many other games companies, (EA/Bioware included), and find a fair and happy medium in their pursuit of sustainable funding for a content rich and enjoyable game and subsequent expansions.
I think it would be a good idea at this point to reiterate what Frontier's position actually is.
This is what the Kickstarter FAQ says on the matter:
Will the game be free to play after the initial purchase?
We do not plan to make it subscription-based. Once you have purchased the game up front, you will be able to play thereafter for no further cost. Everything in the game will be purchasable with in-game Credits, earned from trading, bounty-hunting, etc. We will probably allow the supplemental purchase of Credits with real money, for those who want to accelerate their progress through the game.
We do plan to charge for additional updates, to be available sometime after the original release. These will offer additional content, features and gameplay.
And that's it, that is the whole of the story as far as i can tell.
Everything else, (i'll repeat that) everything else,
is just fluff, bluster and unsubstantiated guesswork.
Having paid for the game i will not be incurring any further cost, simple as that.
This is what the Kickstarter FAQ says on the matter:
Will the game be free to play after the initial purchase?
We do not plan to make it subscription-based. Once you have purchased the game up front, you will be able to play thereafter for no further cost. Everything in the game will be purchasable with in-game Credits, earned from trading, bounty-hunting, etc. We will probably allow the supplemental purchase of Credits with real money, for those who want to accelerate their progress through the game.
We do plan to charge for additional updates, to be available sometime after the original release. These will offer additional content, features and gameplay.
And that's it, that is the whole of the story as far as i can tell.
Everything else, (i'll repeat that) everything else,
is just fluff, bluster and unsubstantiated guesswork.
Having paid for the game i will not be incurring any further cost, simple as that.