Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Jockey79]

No there are not thousands of posts reflecting they "hate" anything. And my comments certainly don't reflect that at all. So again you are reading into it what you want to see. Insisting I hold some opinion I don't have isn't doing your argument any favors, and I'll continue to point out when you attempt to twist people's words or pigeonhole them into a category. It's pretty rude to put words in people's mouths and I'm not sure why you think you have the right to do it, but I'm not going to let you do it to me. If you can show s comment where I express hate or even disdain for the current system quote it.

Nobody brought up the devs intentions, and we are free to discuss the benifits or downsides regardless of their intentions. Running around pointing to your hand picked quotes isn't going to stop that conversation, it is only relevant when discussing intentions which really isn't the point of solo/open debate, and carries the air of a forum warrior trying on shutting down discussion and a pretty extreme bias. Regardless of what they want or intend we are free to post our opinion, and no that doesn't mean we bought the wrong game, or that we hate the current system.

And you can read my comments or not but as I said a couple pages back, I'm fine with whatever I'm just here to kick around ideas, if you can't handle that it's your problem.[/QUOTE]

I've got nothing to "handle" from you.
I made the observation some people hate the core game play and you've done your nut and starting throwing around insults.
There is plenty reading here to back up my observation, you don't have to like it and if you don't like my observations, put me in ignore.
I'm not forcing you read anything I write. I'm not forcing you to respond, take some responsibility for your own actions / words.

As for "solo/open debate" - there isn't one from you, your asking for something the Devs said no to, which I've proven more than once. Sitting there reapting the same demands over and over and over is not a debate.

Mode switching is staying, you're not getting a 2nd BGS under the current suggestions.
Now if you want to try asking about a second server/ BGS supported by another KS project or as a subscription service (or both, one to start the to keep it going) in a way that will not disrupt the current live game, I'd have no issue with that if FD wanted to do it. If you think you can round up enough wallets to show an open only server / BGS is viable - go for gold.

 

[Dogoncrook]

Nobody brought up the devs intentions, and we are free to discuss the benifits or downsides regardless of their intentions. Running around pointing to your hand picked quotes isn't going to stop that conversation, it is only relevant when discussing intentions which really isn't the point of solo/open debate, and carries the air of a forum warrior trying on shutting down discussion and a pretty extreme bias. Regardless of what they want or intend we are free to post our opinion, and no that doesn't mean we bought the wrong game, or that we hate the current system.

And you can read my comments or not but as I said a couple pages back, I'm fine with whatever I'm just here to kick around ideas, if you can't handle that it's your problem.

I've got nothing to "handle" from you.
I made the observation some people hate the core game play and you've done your nut and starting throwing around insults.
There is plenty reading here to back up my observation, you don't have to like it and if you don't like my observations, put me in ignore.
I'm not forcing you read anything I write. I'm not forcing you to respond, take some responsibility for your own actions / words.

As for "solo/open debate" - there isn't one from you, your asking for something the Devs said no to, which I've proven more than once. Sitting there reapting the same demands over and over and over is not a debate.

Mode switching is staying, you're not getting a 2nd BGS under the current suggestions.
Now if you want to try asking about a second server/ BGS supported by another KS project or as a subscription service (or both, one to start the to keep it going) in a way that will not disrupt the current live game, I'd have no issue with that if FD wanted to do it. If you think you can round up enough wallets to show an open only server / BGS is viable - go for gold.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask for anything, again you are either confused or putting words in my mouth. I also didn't demand anything, this is pure delusion on your part.

I also stated clearly I'm fine with the way it is, and further it doesn't really matter if you are fine with me asking for it or not, these aren't your forums. Nobody asked for or needs your permission.

 

[relayer]

I'm not really obligated to answer all of your posts, and when all its going to result in is in an endless back and forth what's the point? Accept the statement or don't.

out of rep so ty for teh lulz

 

[DarkWalker]

I thought I wanted open PVE but it'd really just split the community up. I think everyone should be mashed together, pvers, pvpers, xboxers and pcers. The universe is very very big, and there isn't many of us to fill it. I found open pve by simply walking the paths less travelled. I know I could run into a player at any time, which is better than playing solo, but I feel safe also so it's the best of both worlds.

I doubt many of those players would ever share a mode. I would rather not play than be in the same mode as PvPers, subject to their attacks, and I'm sure I'm the only one.

Also, I don't think an Open PvE mode would split the community. Instead, it would put together many of the players that currently stay in Solo out of a desire to avoid undesirables, joining a community that has already been split along countless individual Solo instances, resulting in a (perhaps far) larger number of players having contact with other players. Given the typical PvP to PvE split, I actually believe a new Open PvE mode would end up with more players than the Open mode currently has.

 

[pippo]

Fact is many players already play PvE, and that's mobius, so nobody will be taken away from open if a PvE mode is implemented since it's already happening.
Someone said somewhere that it was a bit unfair to rely on one player/user group (mobius) to offer the alternative, and I tend to agree with that. If mobius is so popular, it means there is a demand for it, so why not implement it. What happens when mobius (the player) decides to stop playing - close his account?

And about solo, many players who play in solo do it out of low bandwidth.

 

[Mouse]

Fact is many players already play PvE, and that's mobius, so nobody will be taken away from open if a PvE mode is implemented since it's already happening.
Someone said somewhere that it was a bit unfair to rely on one player/user group (mobius) to offer the alternative, and I tend to agree with that. If mobius is so popular, it means there is a demand for it, so why not implement it. What happens when mobius (the player) decides to stop playing - close his account?

And about solo, many players who play in solo do it out of low bandwidth.

I feel those that claim a Open-PVE mode will splinter the community and utterly ignore the myriad of private groups and all out there that people are in are pretty much using the Chicken Little "The Sky is Falling" type defense to stop it... as in assuming something will happen that actually can't since the community is vastly wide spread as it is.

 

[Dogoncrook]

Fact is many players already play PvE, and that's mobius, so nobody will be taken away from open if a PvE mode is implemented since it's already happening.
Someone said somewhere that it was a bit unfair to rely on one player/user group (mobius) to offer the alternative, and I tend to agree with that. If mobius is so popular, it means there is a demand for it, so why not implement it. What happens when mobius (the player) decides to stop playing - close his account?

And about solo, many players who play in solo do it out of low bandwidth.

Or at a minimum add admin tools to group so it doesn't fall on one person.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Or at a minimum add admin tools to group so it doesn't fall on one person.

First sensible comment i've seen you make.

 

[Khelder]

First sensible comment i've seen you make.

Don't think that was called for. You may not agree with him. That does not mean he isn't trying to have a sensible discussion.

 

[Seonid]

What happens when mobius (the player) decides to stop playing - close his account?

Given the size of the group, FD would very likely simply transfer control to another designated player.

 

[Mouse]

Don't think that was called for. You may not agree with him. That does not mean he isn't trying to have a sensible discussion.

Well when he decides to discuss instead of accusing others of not discussing maybe people won't make such comments.

 

[Lestenio]

And I still stand behind my belief that FD will build this game for the paying market and to retain market share, not the backers who gave it life.

You need to come back to reality.

Why would they change it and lose a fair percent of their player base and and half their potential future sales in the process?
The system they have right now caters to all types of players, there is no need for FD to alienate any of them

 

[Phosphora]

I agree completely. The only reason I started playing in open was that the game felt too lonely.

I've seen one player so far outside of an orbital station and nothing happened (and I was in Eravate which has a bad rep for ganking)

My reasoning for feeling safe on the outlying areas of the game isn't simply because the areas are more remote, but I'm working on the assumption that anyone that far away from the populated areas is probably there for the same reason I am, and is more likely to be friendly. Have to see how that works in practice

I prefer having the absolute certainty of knowing that I won't meet another player. That means I can concentrate on playing the game my way, without constantly checking the scanner. I have no problem at all with people doing PvP and playing in open, but people have different personalities. In this game, I prefer being lonely.

Cheers, Phos.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Don't think that was called for. You may not agree with him. That does not mean he isn't trying to have a sensible discussion.

Maybe you missed it, but check back on the previous posts. They were not constructive nor actually engaging in discussion. They were attacking the player, not the post.

Yeah, fair point, I also did the same with my comment, but i did rep him for his comment.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If people complian a large percentage prefer to play in solo, undermining the attemps in open, how can you in the same breath claim open is the more popular option that will outsurvive solo? How can anyone conclude the core playerbase plays in open?

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

If people complian a large percentage prefer to play in solo, undermining the attemps in open, how can you in the same breath claim open is the more popular option that will outsurvive solo? How can anyone conclude the core playerbase plays in open?

Logic is the cement of our civilization... except when someone's left out the sand...

 

[Mouse]

If people complian a large percentage prefer to play in solo, undermining the attemps in open, how can you in the same breath claim open is the more popular option that will outsurvive solo? How can anyone conclude the core playerbase plays in open?

That is a veeeery good question

 

[Dogoncrook]

Well when he decides to discuss instead of accusing others of not discussing maybe people won't make such comments.

"I could go on and on, I'm not sure how much of it is viable, or if it's worth it. I do however feel by kicking these ideas around in a friendly manner, even if we don't agree, there's a chance that something shakes out we can all agree on, or is at least benign to the opposing modes camp, and get more content. Because I don't think there are that many people, devs included, who feel any part of the game is fully fleshed out."

That's me a couple of pages ago. You were saying? Why don't you try again when you can be bothered to read the entire exchange rather than jumping in to take pot shots. Your are far more likely to hit when you calm down and aim.

 

[Khelder]

If people complian a large percentage prefer to play in solo, undermining the attemps in open, how can you in the same breath claim open is the more popular option that will outsurvive solo? How can anyone conclude the core playerbase plays in open?

Nobody outside of FD can say which is the more popular mode. Pointing at sales numbers or numbers who have joined Mobius or numbers "complaining" on a forum are all meaningless conjecture.

I tend to think that Open will prosper, not because it technically has greater numbers (As I said, none of us knows. It may not.), but because it is generally more interesting from an engagement perspective. You can talk about game features in any mode. But with Open, you can go that step further and talk about players interacting with each other. Just look at the live streams FD does for example where they talk and interact with players live.

I certainly wouldn't say that Solo (or Group) would necessarily suffer because of this though. I don't see why the status quo with modes can't continue. It's not like having Solo/Group in place requires any additional effort on FDs part. And there is clearly a strong support base for those modes.

Maybe I should say that the game, in general, will continue to develop and prosper. But I see an emphasis on features where player interaction is a highlight.

The above is just my personal opinion, of course.

 

[Dogoncrook]

Maybe you missed it, but check back on the previous posts. They were not constructive nor actually engaging in discussion. They were attacking the player, not the post.

Yeah, fair point, I also did the same with my comment, but i did rep him for his comment.

Earlier I wasn't really fair to you, but hopefully you can understand The frustration I was having with people demanding answers from me. The request to do so prior to yours resulted in basically "here's why I'm going to ignore the answer I asked for". Granted it wasn't you, but still.

And I said that he was reading minds because it's ridiculous to categorize the open solo debate as they bought the wrong game, or they hate the current system as it stands, and there was no point in continuing to stoke the fire. It was a mistake to point it out because it was another opportunity to derail the thread. Which has happened anyways. But I'll own that mistake, and I tried to earlier but even then, nobody could accept that.

Other than that I make no apologies for pointing out when people lie about what I said.