What type of controller will you be using for Elite Dangerous

X2Eliah

X2Eliah
If faced with a choice of using a current mouse/kb, or buy a console joypad... I fear I'd stick with mouse (and I suspect a lot of PC players would do the same).
 

noodle

noodle
X2Eliah said:
If faced with a choice of using a current mouse/kb, or buy a console joypad... I fear I'd stick with mouse (and I suspect a lot of PC players would do the same).
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But a lot of casual players will already be used to pads, and have access to them. I do think the hardcore mouse users are becoming a rarity these days.
 

J.T.Kirk

J
noodle said:
But a lot of casual players will already be used to pads, and have access to them. I do think the hardcore mouse users are becoming a rarity these days.
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I think the majority of casual PC players use only m&k. Before trying a game with a pad or joystick, most players would try the mouse and it would be their first impression of the controls and game in general. First impressions are very important. If they aren't impressed enough, will they be motivated to buy a joystick, which isn't exactly cheap? I think it's bad news if the game isn't very playable with a mouse & keyboard--E: D would get a lot of negative reviews from angry players disappointed with awkward controls.
 
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robo

robo
noodle said:
How does that follow? This game will run on some relatively cheap rigs, and people's circumstances/priorities change. Some people might not be too happy at effectively having to double their spend on the game because they need a controller to play it with.
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A cheap controller is still cheap in comparison to a required spec system, I think it’s a given that most people, not all, that this game will be best with a controller, after all it is a flight based game, as such most would of factored that into their initial spend for the game.

But as I’ve already mentioned there are also good reports coming out of mouse usage, so it’ll more than likely not pose a problem.
 

noodle

noodle
J.T.Kirk said:
I think the majority of casual PC players use only m&k. Before trying a game with a pad or joystick, most players would try the mouse and it would be their first impression of the controls and game in general. First impressions are very important. If they aren't impressed enough, will they be motivated to buy a joystick, which isn't exactly cheap? I think it's bad news if the game isn't very playable with a mouse & keyboard--E: D would get a lot of negative reviews from angry players disappointed with awkward controls.
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*shrug*

Impossible to form any meaningful opinions without actual facts and figures.
 

noodle

noodle
robo said:
A cheap controller is still cheap in comparison to a required spec system
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It's cheap compared to all sorts of things. That doesn't make it something that people will prioritise, of feel happy about having to add to the cost of purchasing the game.

I think it’s a given that most people, not all, that this game will be best with a controller, after all it is a flight based game, as such most would of factored that into their initial spend for the game.
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But if we're talking about casual gamers, then no such thought may have crossed their mind.

But as I’ve already mentioned there are also good reports coming out of mouse usage, so it’ll more than likely not pose a problem.
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I agree. It's all speculation anyway since we have no idea how the demographic is going to look.
 

robo

robo
noodle said:
It's cheap compared to all sorts of things. That doesn't make it something that people will prioritise, of feel happy about having to add to the cost of purchasing the game.
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Yeah, it’s cheap compared to a Rolls Royce, but that’s not the point, I was making a comparison of the rig they are going to play the game on & the controller they are going to play the game with. Prioritising is solely down to the individual, as spending a sunny day outside, I wouldn’t buy a pair of sunglasses, yet forgo the tanning lotion.

noodle said:
But if we're talking about casual gamers, then no such thought may have crossed their mind.
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C’mon, most casual gamers are video console gamers, something they can turn on quickly & jump straight into a game, very, very few PC gamers.
 
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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
X2Eliah said:
If faced with a choice of using a current mouse/kb, or buy a console joypad... I fear I'd stick with mouse (and I suspect a lot of PC players would do the same).
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I will be using a stick of some description. if some semblance of KB & M support is in there fine, but I dread a scenario like War Thunder where they cater to KB&M so much with assists for it, that the game is unbalanced in terms of shooting accuracy if you choose anything else, therefore I end up using KB&M controls in the 3rd person mode even though it is way less fun.
 

noodle

noodle
robo said:
Yeah, it’s cheap compared to a Rolls Royce, but that’s not the point, I was making a comparison of the rig they are going to play the game on & the controller they are going to play the game with. Prioritising is solely down to the individual, as spending a sunny day outside, I wouldn’t buy a pair of sunglasses, yet forgo the tanning lotion.
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But you're missing the point. I can afford all kinds of luxuries, but that doesn't mean that I'd be happy about having to fork out double the list price to play a game. Nor does the fact that somebody bought a half decent rig on finance a few years ago mean that they have cash to burn today. ED will run on some pretty antique systems with the settings dialled back a bit.

C’mon, most casual gamers are video console gamers, something they can turn on quickly & jump straight into a game, very, very few PC gamers.
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But we're talking about PC games, ergo "casual gamers" in this context refers to casual PC gamers. People who have a PC and like to play the occasional game on it.

Pointless discussion though. Without actual facts and figures, it's all just guesswork.
 

robo

robo
noodle said:
But you're missing the point. I can afford all kinds of luxuries, but that doesn't mean that I'd be happy about having to fork out double the list price to play a game. Nor does the fact that somebody bought a half decent rig on finance a few years ago mean that they have cash to burn today. ED will run on some pretty antique systems with the settings dialled back a bit.
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But if you are forking out for this kind of game, which is considered better to play with a controller & you want to get the most from it, then budget for it at time of purchase, as in, if one is better with the other, then budget for both, if not just buy the game, using just mouse control, which as it goes, is fine.

noodle said:
But we're talking about PC games, ergo "casual gamers" in this context refers to casual PC gamers. People who have a PC and like to play the occasional game on it.
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I think this is where you are missing the point. PC gamers who are, casual as you describe, are rare, if someone wants to play games casually, they tend to play on gaming consoles i.e. PC = rare casual gamer.
 

Crayfish

Crayfish
Quick question about the current mouse controls in the alpha. Does it map mouse movement directly to directional control or does it use the mouse's displaced position from a stationary central position? (An example of displaced behaviour is when you press your middle mouse button to scroll on most PCs.)

Using direct movement with mouse control results in having to repeatedly move you mouse back across the pad to continue turning. This is what would happen in the Frontier games. A displaced movement mode would seem to be more natural for piloting a space ship.
 

BlueThunder

BlueThunder
NeilF said:
Can you actually use that (constructively) with ED?
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I haven't tried, but there wouldn't be much point unless ED devs assign a weight to the stick (in the cockpit), and have the stick jolt when the ship is hit etc. That would be amazing, especially when combined with an Oculus.

I have to say the Falcon is AMAZING with the right game. The Haptic feedback is so precise that the player believes they can feel textures. Playing Penumbra with it was quite an experience. Half Life 2 was just COOL!
 
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noodle

noodle
robo said:
But if you are forking out for this kind of game, which is considered better to play with a controller & you want to get the most from it, then budget for it at time of purchase, as in, if one is better with the other, then budget for both, if not just buy the game, using just mouse control, which as it goes, is fine.
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That's fine in principle, but that's not necessarily the way people's expectations are geared. Hell, I shelled out £200 for alpha access and £100 for an X52 Pro, so I'm totally on board with being prepared to spend. But some people will just expect to buy the game, sit down and play it.

No argument about the mouse though. Your original point about people being able or willing to afford controllers was the one I was responding to :)

I think this is where you are missing the point. PC gamers who are, casual as you describe, are rare, if someone wants to play games casually, they tend to play on gaming consoles i.e. PC = rare casual gamer.
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That's not my impression, but you may well be right. Like I said, meaningless discussion without actual facts and figures.
 

Bootsock

Bootsock
Bikerix said:
How much? I must admit force back does appeal
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You can generally pick them up for between £25 and £50 on EBay, keep in mind that they've not been made for 10 years so you won't pick one up new.

Price varies as many people regard the MS Force Feedback 2 as one of the best PC joysticks ever made and they are still desirable.
 
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