I know I'm quoting myself, but I think we may have just solved the SCB problem!
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Is it time once again to nerf the Python?
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I know I'm quoting myself, but I think we may have just solved the SCB problem!
Your medal is in the post.
The point is that Multi-Roles can take SCB stacking to ridiculous levels in the current way they are implemented
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I cant give you rep again so quickly, but in spirit my friend, in spirit i give you rep
Current state of the FDL's internals is pathetic. 125 times the cost and twice the weight of a Cobra and yet they get the same Frame Shift Drive and the FDL has half the fuel? Come on Frontier...
This has been talked about before, but the Devs seem to ignore it.
I thought when Boosters came out, SCBs were going to be removed...... talk about living in hopes
But from what I recall, a fair chuck of people liked the idea of making them utility mounts not internals.
Seems to be the same idea here from nath.
Making them utility slots instead of internal would be amazing by it's self.
But you are comparing a multi to a fighter, why not compares the fighters and see how it fits?
Yup, they're tanks, not fighters. SCB's are overpowered. Limit to one per ship or some other suggestions, either way the problem is with SCB's and not the Python. Several other multi-role ships can do the same, but everyone loves the Clipper and Cobra so there are no nerf threads for those. Cobra is well overpower compared to the Viper.
Again this is about what CMDR's are getting killed by and they don't like it. Learn to fly your ship's better or fly the Python.
I know how to fly the ships well enough that I don't need SCB's to outperform any Python. Something I learned just on general principles. It's only my skill making the ship better than most Python pilots though, it has nothing to do with the FDL's actual combat effectiveness.
Learn to judge the ship.
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FAS is currently a slight upgrade to the FDL. That's how it fits. It's still dead in the water for a 50 mil hull.
Yet you want it nerfed.
For the record here I have not been killed by a Python. I have been flying an FDL for a while, got good at it, learned to fly FAOFF and manage modules (to the extreme in the FDL, such limited power) and was pretty sure that a Python could never compete with it. Until i bought a Python for trading.
Suddenly I found that not only could I do everything the FDL could do, but it was *easier* and required no module management. I also could have a better weapon selection because of the abundant power AND when outfitted for combat could carry enough SCB's to basically be invulnerable.
My perspective on the multi-role/combat ship balance is not born of bitterness but of complete shock that the Python was essentially master of all trades. I still own it man, why would i sell it?
But I do not think it should be that way and i think its SCB's rather than the Python that are the problem
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Well, then the FDL needs a buff then.
Nerfing a Python won't fix the FDL, just make another ship pointless.
And breaking someone else toy because you don't like your own is spite not balance.
Looking at edshipyard.com right now, all the Federal ships are cheaper than the FDL and better (on paper) - so improve the FDL is the answer, not break everything better than it.
My ability to fly the ship does not in any way translate to balance. I PvP in my FDL I've got sweaty palms, I'm watching everything on the hud and my Radar and I'm constantly adjusting my pips. In my Python I eat dinner and wait for them to high wake out.
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It will get people talking about the balance problems though. If people don't want their favorite ship messed with they should be telling Frontier to fix the problems that cause it to stand out. People have gotten complacent about a lot of problems that are affecting the game in ways they can't be bothered to think about.
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Again I think if you look at the ship performance without SCB's they are probably very well balanced. I don't think ship based changes are what's needed
Still anemic. Some of the FAS's best fittings don't even have shields period, and it will outperform the FDL using them
I've actually started using the FAS over the FDL too. I dont want to sell the FDL though, not yet at least
Are you trying to leave the game broken? Get it fixed, tell FD what's wrong with it. If they ignore you like they have been ignoring us about SCB's, get more people to complain by pointing out what needs to happen to make the game work around a broken feature.
The economy is screwed. Royally. Frontier doesn't want to fix it so what do you do? Rile up the people profiting the most off of it until they add their voice to yours.
I'm tired of turning a blind eye to this crap.
And I'm tired of needless "nerf" threads - that fix nothing.
This is why FD ignore the forums, instead of constructive feedback with helpful suggestions how to improve things (without breaking everything else around it), people just scream "broken" and "nerf" over and over.
People also ignore the fact that the Devs are busy - changes don't just happen at the click of a whiners fingers. You make suggestions to improve things or help balance and then it can take months or even years for it to get tried / tested and implemented.
Heck a suggestion was made in Star Trek Online Beta back in 2009 that only got changed this year.... wanna guess how long that took ?
Yeah, putting SCBs in the utility spots would be a great idea, so they're useful for combat ships, not multirole ships. This will buff the FDL as it has plenty of util mounts (though it's still short on power).
I'd just make SCB one shot utility devices that recharged the shield by 10-50%, exactly the same price/cost/power usage as boosters (but which are 4-20% only). Also, this 10-50% will be based on the already boosted value, not the base value, so they'll become more effective if you mix them with boosters not just stack a bunch of them. And if they're powered down they should need to be recharged at a station (the ships powerplant can only maintain power in the boosters, not charge them).
I'd just make SCB one shot utility devices that recharged the shield by 10-50%, exactly the same price/cost/power usage as boosters (but which are 4-20% only). Also, this 10-50% will be based on the already boosted value, not the base value, so they'll become more effective if you mix them with boosters not just stack a bunch of them. And if they're powered down they should need to be recharged at a station (the ships powerplant can only maintain power in the boosters, not charge them).
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