Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Cody]

Can you post where / how pls, ta

In AppConfig.xml, find RelayViaServer="1" and change the 1 to 0, then save it.

 

[Jockey79]

My opinion, keep it as it is, unless the frog goons decide to go on a rampage and annoy a load of people I am sure they will get left alone, I mean they are nice, quite friendly ED goons, its not like they are code pad campers.

Code Vs Goons !!!!

OMG !

That would be so AWESOME

 

[Buck]

Buck I wasn't singling you out to be rude to you, if you took it that way I apologize, I was using your post as to why some of us repeat things so often. Always enjoy new people joining in, hoping they have new ideas. It is just the arguments that are old, though some people come up with good ideas and we try to nurture that even though the likelihood of Devs seeing it is slim and none.


As for the comments someone else said about influences should only be changed in Open. Why should only one section of the populace effect the background for everyone else? People in solo and in groups have every right to effect the background and do so in the same way that open does. Having the ability to shoot someone does not mean that your opinion or actions should be the only one that counts.

Appreciated Mouse it was just a surprise redirection of where I thought the thread would head.

To dedicate merit where it's due, reading all this opinion on the effects of seperating or maintaining the influence the global population has on the background is really what newer players need. Depressingly even if it is a permanent case of deja vu. You have to sell a vision after all.

 

[Cody]

An inline code (icode tags) feature would be handy at times - couldn't find it in Advanced.

 

[Jockey79]

You have to sell a vision after all.

You mean Frontiers vision

They pitched the game idea (with modes) in Kickstarter and did all the fluff work in the Dev Diaries as well as taking player feedback in the DDA. FD put all the work in to shape the game and "sell the vision".

Now, we are just along for the ride.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Powerplay is a PvE activity. All counter-moves available are PvE. If you want to oppose someone's PvE PP actions, you do so with PvE counters.
If you want to shoot Marvin in the face, you have to ask Marvin if he wants to play Capture the flag with you in Open and he can choose to play or not. It is a beautiful game design.
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Small groups of players can contact one another and organise their small-scale PvP activities and have their fun. What could be simpler and more satisfying?

 

[Buck]

Yes I agree Jockey

A case of careful what you wish for. Not a bad wish mind you

 

[Dave1235]

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The reason for this is simple; player supported factions. Frontier has decided that players should have the ability to associate with factions, support them, and ultimately influence them. This will inevitably result in players coming into conflict with each other, and competing via the influence system and the BGS. Currently that conflict can be circumvented via solo/group play, and in my opinion that's poor game design. If player A wants to harm a group associated with player B, player B should have a way of preventing that directly. I have no problem with X-Box players being able to influence the game via open, since other X-Box players can interact with them. I am opposed to solo play having any ability to modify faction influence whatsoever.

I think FD would say it's working as intended, consider it emergent game play, players in the game being able to fight back, the guy in the hauler you killed for giggles, well guess what, he can hurt you back in his hauler, FD said from the start they would work against "perceived greifing", they gave us 3 modes so we can play how we want and now they even give a way to fight against player groups.

If A annoys too many people A will lose, its a numbers game, I guess you should avoid annoying too many people if you would like to keep your minor faction.

Yes, I am a Goon. As far as I know that's the SA group.

Cheers for the confirmation, when I read you post I was pretty sure you were a member of a larger group that was concerned about losing your minor faction.

How is Ideas Man? is he still playing since his permanent forum ban, hope he is, made me laugh a lot, always changing his mind, never knew if we were arguing or agreeing lol.

Geez, so much to do, I have been residing in Orrere for the last few weeks with my code buddies, now I have to pop over to the Xihe cluster to see you guys (or not) for a bit, sorry you have to wait a few weeks, my calendar is full, but be assured you will (or will not) see me soon <manic laughter>

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In AppConfig.xml, find RelayViaServer="1" and change the 1 to 0, then save it.

Tyvm 8 chars

 

[Dave1235]

Code Vs Goons !!!!

OMG !

That would be so AWESOME

Now you make me think dark thoughts, if you read my link to the Diamond Frogs their post reads "We don't hold ties to anyone other than the one signing our checks. There's one or two powers out there that get a pass from us, but if they want our help, they pay us. You keep paying us, you don't have a blessed thing to worry about. Simple system and so far it has worked great."

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=194108&highlight=diamond+frogs

Great idea, the code don't care about their minor faction, the goons do.

Lets "pay" the goons (by not undermining the hell out of them to the point they all have to grind 24/7 to keep their faction), if they go keep the code so busy everyone can go play in open.

Frack I am getting emergent here, the code love a fight, as I am sure the goons do too, its a marriage made in heaven.

Someone get Gluttony and Tex on the phone, MODS, I need DBOBE to dial in, I think I just fixed open. Sorry, what ? not my idea FD designed it that way 3 years ago before I even heard of ED, OK! my mistake, you are geniuses.

OK Goons, just one chance, agree to wipe out play pew pew with the code now or I will put itching powder in your space suits (in solo), I am serious!

 

[Roybe]

Now you make me think dark thoughts, if you read my link to the Diamond Frogs their post reads "We don't hold ties to anyone other than the one signing our checks. There's one or two powers out there that get a pass from us, but if they want our help, they pay us. You keep paying us, you don't have a blessed thing to worry about. Simple system and so far it has worked great."

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=194108&highlight=diamond+frogs
OK Goons, just one chance, agree to wipe out play pew pew with the code now or I will put itching powder in your space suits (in solo), I am serious!

So the game is starting to get played the way it has meant to be played? OMG! It's a Halloween Miracle.

 

[Beer4TheBeerGod]

This needs quoting again, people you are sleepwalking though this thread , the posters in this thread are getting a little "sloppy", myself included, I don't think anyone noticed this is actually a new idea, it might have been used in other arguments but never against solo and groups being able to affect minor factions (obviously player sponsored ones).

We should recognise and discuss, this comes from the hive like mind of the ED Goons https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169599&page=517&p=3023503&viewfull=1#post3023503, sorry a Diamond Frog paint skin just became transparent on a goon lol.

My opinion, keep it as it is, unless the frog goons decide to go on a rampage and annoy a load of people I am sure they will get left alone, I mean they are nice, quite friendly ED goons, its not like they are code pad campers.

I think I am psychic, that paragraph got my spidey senses going.

Dave

Normally an OK guy, can turn into the "voice of solo undermining and asymmetrical warfare" if riled.

Often riled my the voice of open / original Mobius invader!

I'm not sure what any of this means but I'm glad I can provide an original idea to this thread.

And what about the instancing ?

Open can have a max of 32 people including yourself in 1 instance island - after that, another persons instance island is used.

If you have too many people defending and my latency won't take it, then the match maker will just d rop me into a single instance in Open mode.

Instancing is an unfortunate part of the game, and I would love to see FD eventually open up instancing limits as technology becomes more available. In the interim I would rather have an imperfect solution than no solution at all. I'd consider mastering the instancing mechanics to be no different from mastering the BGS.

 

[Dave1235]

So the game is starting to get played the way it has meant to be played? OMG! It's a Halloween Miracle.

Rofl, I was just about to edit my post to add (Roybe, where are you when I need you) 100% honest mate.

And I was such a nice person before I got dragged in to the (advertised) underhanded, back stabbing galaxy I now live in.

I personally owe it all to the voice of open, he made me think bad things.

So, let the games begin.......

PS

Its nice to be nice

Edit
I am still a very nice guy to the factions I support ofc

 

[Roybe]

From what sifting I can do, the community is split 40% want them split, 40% don't, and 10% don't care. It's a pretty even split, folks, so this is, most likely, the argument that will never end, and will never make progress.

The only opinion that matters is that of those that wrote the code. They do not want it to split...so it won't. Any other time spent discussing the issue is really just wasted...on both sides.

 

[Jockey79]

Instancing is an unfortunate part of the game, and I would love to see FD eventually open up instancing limits as technology becomes more available. In the interim I would rather have an imperfect solution than no solution at all. I'd consider mastering the instancing mechanics to be no different from mastering the BGS.

It is a part of the game, one that is easily messed with.

For example, I watch the first 5 episodes of the new season of Once Upon a Time last night while playing Elite: Dangerous (I have 2 screens).
Want to take a stab at what that does to my ping times to the Elite: Dangerous matchmaking server ?

I'm currently downloading a game in Steam (Aliens: Colonial Marines), it's 12Gb and taking up 80% of my bandwidth. But tomorrow night I'm playing it multiplayer with friends, so it is easier for me to download it now while I'm in Elite: Dangerous - a game that does not suffer if I multi-task. Again, my ping times to the matchmaker ?

As it happens, I'm out by Sag A* right now - but even if I'm in the middles of the bubble, I'd not stop doing other things just because someone else does not like it.

There is also draw backs by the way, I've over shot my drop out spot in SC due to watching YouTube or Netflix, I've slammed in to asteroids for the same reason in a RES and messed up my hunting. Forgotten what I was doing while listening to/ messing with Spotify. Flew into a Sun while chatting on Skype and almost ran out of fuel due to using these very forums while out and about (like now - jumping to Shrogea YD-K D8-2764).

And while all of that goes on, my scanner is empty of other players - even though I play in Mobius (or other Groups) and I play in Open.
Yet for the most part, I am alone. Even in the middle of the bubble.

 

[Khelder]

I do wonder how the game would pan out if next Tuesday they bluntly informed us all they were locking Open and unless you logged in there next you would be unable to join without clearing your save.
I suppose a huge weight on that would be if it got its own BGS or not... how many would go, how many would stay?

I think I would likely stay.

Personally if FDev could afford the finance and resources to do it I would say "split and be damned". So long as Solo and private group were switchable it would be good enough for me.
I appreciate it would change things drastically for others.
My general position to defend the status quo is due to concerns about how much it would take from FDev to administer a split.

Financing and maintaining multiple BGS would be a consideration. I don't know how much expense that would actually add if they were to split. The bigger problem for my mind would be consistency.

FD have not just created a base sandbox and simply said, "There you go. Play as you will." They take an active involvement in adding and manipulating storylines in the galaxy as well as reporting on events as they occur. There are also player-initiated events that spring up as well. This, I believe, is a good thing. It adds a bit more 'content' to an otherwise lifeless galaxy.

Now imagine how difficult that would be (organising/promoting events, etc) if there were two simulations? We have just come off a CG against (well, I was against) Emperor's Dawn. What if the required basis for that conflict simply didn't exist in one of the simulations? If they were split, they will eventually take different paths as far as faction control, etc goes.

And this is only looking at the point of view that there would be two simulations. If we're splitting on the basis that Open shouldn't effect Solo and Solo shouldn't effect Open, then what about Groups? Should Mobius effect either Open or Solo? Does FD create a whole new BGS for every possible group?

I understand, in principle, the arguments saying that modes shouldn't have an effect on each other. But, from what I've mentioned above alone, what you would lose in terms of consistent storyline (and gain negatively in terms of additional cost, management, and complexity) become too great to warrant going down that path. If you're going to have different modes, it does make sense to have a single BGS.

 

[Faybs]

I think I would likely stay.



Financing and maintaining multiple BGS would be a consideration. I don't know how much expense that would actually add if they were to split. The bigger problem for my mind would be consistency.

FD have not just created a base sandbox and simply said, "There you go. Play as you will." They take an active involvement in adding and manipulating storylines in the galaxy as well as reporting on events as they occur. There are also player-initiated events that spring up as well. This, I believe, is a good thing. It adds a bit more 'content' to an otherwise lifeless galaxy.

Now imagine how difficult that would be (organising/promoting events, etc) if there were two simulations? We have just come off a CG against (well, I was against) Emperor's Dawn. What if the required basis for that conflict simply didn't exist in one of the simulations? If they were split, they will eventually take different paths as far as faction control, etc goes.

And this is only looking at the point of view that there would be two simulations. If we're splitting on the basis that Open shouldn't effect Solo and Solo shouldn't effect Open, then what about Groups? Should Mobius effect either Open or Solo? Does FD create a whole new BGS for every possible group?

I understand, in principle, the arguments saying that modes shouldn't have an effect on each other. But, from what I've mentioned above alone, what you would lose in terms of consistent storyline (and gain negatively in terms of additional cost, management, and complexity) become too great to warrant going down that path. If you're going to have different modes, it does make sense to have a single BGS.

Yeah, it would be multiple reality madness. The Cerberus plague was eradicated/is still raging, so Emperor Duval/Patreus has issued a decree forbidding/encouraging the sale of alien artifacts to any stations in the empire. Meanwhile there was great celebration/annoyance when Antal/DeLaine finally made it off the ten Powers. Now add xbox and groups and it's just off the wall. But hey, it would probably eliminate mode switching

 

[Khelder]

Yeah, it would be multiple reality madness. The Cerberus plague was eradicated/is still raging, so Emperor Duval/Patreus has issued a decree forbidding/encouraging the sale of alien artifacts to any stations in the empire. Meanwhile there was great celebration/annoyance when Antal/DeLaine finally made it off the ten Powers. Now add xbox and groups and it's just off the wall. But hey, it would probably eliminate mode switching

Actually, you might start seeing mode switching purely to follow your preferred narrative.

 

[Kermit Laphroaig]

Now you make me think dark thoughts, if you read my link to the Diamond Frogs their post reads "We don't hold ties to anyone other than the one signing our checks. There's one or two powers out there that get a pass from us, but if they want our help, they pay us. You keep paying us, you don't have a blessed thing to worry about. Simple system and so far it has worked great."

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=194108&highlight=diamond+frogs

Great idea, the code don't care about their minor faction, the goons do.

Lets "pay" the goons (by not undermining the hell out of them to the point they all have to grind 24/7 to keep their faction), if they go keep the code so busy everyone can go play in open.

Frack I am getting emergent here, the code love a fight, as I am sure the goons do too, its a marriage made in heaven.

Someone get Gluttony and Tex on the phone, MODS, I need DBOBE to dial in, I think I just fixed open. Sorry, what ? not my idea FD designed it that way 3 years ago before I even heard of ED, OK! my mistake, you are geniuses.

OK Goons, just one chance, agree to wipe out play pew pew with the code now or I will put itching powder in your space suits (in solo), I am serious!

You know what, I like you, son.

You get to live. Unfortunately, you also gotta start paying rent. I expect your Diamond Frog application in the space-mail by next Thursday.

Yrs Trly, Kermit "Big Frog" Laphroaig

 

[Jockey79]

Actually, you might start seeing mode switching purely to follow your preferred narrative.

And then we'd be back here, listening to people moan about those who mode switch due to ...[insert perceived benefits / cash grabbing combos]

 

[Dave1235]

You know what, I like you, son.

You get to live. Unfortunately, you also gotta start paying rent. I expect your Diamond Frog application in the space-mail by next Thursday.

Yrs Trly, Kermit "Big Frog" Laphroaig

Now listen to me pops I am "the voice of asymmetrical warfare" and solo undermining! (and > 40 years old).

I told Tex I wanted to join you goons > 6 months ago, I stated I wasn't into PKing but know lots of bad words, but it seems my application to join the goons was denied (and post deleted, lol, squealers! ).

I don't pay rent, I collect it chuckles, now listen to how its going to work!

Pop over to Orrere to say hi, or what ever CG the code are busy with, they will thank you for the fight, wipe them out keep them busy with pew pew fun.

Please do keep an eye on the forums to keep up with their latest tricks, ignorance is no excuse, we will not accept it.

Play nice and don't upset the solo cartel, they are a mean bunch (or will be when the BGS starts working properly) . Was it Xihe you are based in ?

PS

Can you link your interviews from a few months back, you guys are funny, I quite like your humour, the news thing you did almost had me crying with laughter.