The SCB (Shield Cell Bank) Thread

Jockey79

Jockey79
Semperviren said:
I lead one of those player groups, and I beg to differ on the whole, "we're a small part of the equation" argument. We're a very visible and active part of the ED community (all player groups that is), and it's our group endeavors that in many cases are part of the creation of emergent game-play to which any sandbox title owes its success. My argument from the beginning is one of moderation and happy medium, but your response is rash, biased, and grammatically painful to read. Not only were you just supremely unhelpful and disrespectful, your hostility shows that you subconsciously think your on the loosing end of your own argument.
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Wow, talk about blowing your own trumpet.
Newsflash, there is more to Elite than you and your group.
Oh and btw, there are quite a few of us that survive quite nicely without your style of "emergent" game play - so you really are not that important.

These forums have had constant requests to deal with the broken SCBs for a long time.
The video I commented on shown just how pathetic they were, when someone can tank that long under fire from 5 people, it is ridiculous.
2 on 1 should make someone consider their options, 3 on 1 should have been a massive clue (time to go), but waiting until 5 on one and sticking around !

If you're struggling to do combat without your broken toys, try going back to the combat tutorial - I hear it is quite good.
 

Semperviren

Semperviren
Jockey79 said:
Wow, talk about blowing your own trumpet.
Newsflash, there is more to Elite than you and your group.
Oh and btw, there are quite a few of us that survive quite nicely without your style of "emergent" game play - so you really are not that important.

These forums have had constant requests to deal with the broken SCBs for a long time.
The video I commented on shown just how pathetic they were, when someone can tank that long under fire from 5 people, it is ridiculous.
2 on 1 should make someone consider their options, 3 on 1 should have been a massive clue (time to go), but waiting until 5 on one and sticking around !

If you're struggling to do combat without your broken toys, try going back to the combat tutorial - I hear it is quite good.
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Yeesh, your hostility is palpable. Yea I called myself out as being an integral part of the community, because I firmly believe it to be true. Nowhere in my statement did I down talk or downplay the importance of single or otherwise unassociated players. It’s a community first and foremost.

Also what you state here is a matter of opinion purely. Sure I could go out and tank a wing of players in an anaconda, but for how long? At maximum I’d gauge my viable time in an instance while under pressure from 4 or more players at less than 5 minutes, that’s 5 minutes that I spend helping to direct my wings to focus on our own objectives. It’s also important to note that during this time my firepower output is brought down to a minimum. In this scenario I’m playing a role, and integral one, one that lends to the depth and immersion of gameplay. So where is the harm?

You’ll do well to notice that despite all of this talk, I’m still on the side of moderation and balance where SCB’s are concerned.
 

Nitek [pl]

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Jockey79 said:
Wow, talk about blowing your own trumpet.
Newsflash, there is more to Elite than you and your group.
Oh and btw, there are quite a few of us that survive quite nicely without your style of "emergent" game play - so you really are not that important.

These forums have had constant requests to deal with the broken SCBs for a long time.
The video I commented on shown just how pathetic they were, when someone can tank that long under fire from 5 people, it is ridiculous.
2 on 1 should make someone consider their options, 3 on 1 should have been a massive clue (time to go), but waiting until 5 on one and sticking around !

If you're struggling to do combat without your broken toys, try going back to the combat tutorial - I hear it is quite good.
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You don't get it do you? Now the armor is so OP that A FULLY SHIELDED SHIP IS RENDERED USELESS! D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D? Should I type it slower?
SHIELDS have been rendered useless. Get your head out of your .... and check it.

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Again LOOK here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVwVBUD5fM8&google_comment_id=z13jcpipuwrytjz3b234ix1izt3uwrsgf04
That Was a test fight Full shield+boosters against ARMOR. Look at the comments. ALL shielded ships were destroyed. ALL of them.
 

Oogie Boogie

Oogie Boogie
This discussion always goes into the direction who is for PVP and who is against. And what a surprise the majority doesn't care about PVP at all. Why is that, because the pie we have is splitted into several interests like Exploring, Trading, PVP, PVE and even CQC. So when we would ask to limit the jumprange of ship to maximal 20LY I am pretty sure that there would be a majority who doesn't care about exploring at all and would agree to this crazy proposition.

I made lately a survey in the German forum, which show some figures. Of course this is not representative, but still. Everyone of is playing a game in a minority - that's important to understand! We need to understand the other position and needs. I do not understand what benefit a Explorer, Trader or even PVE combat player has with this extrem SCB nerf at all. Would it protect you from a bunch of griefer or crazy pirats - definetly not unless you are playing in solo mode. It is just something the not PVP factions (which are in total the majority of the players!) don't begrudge the PVP faction.

Guys and girls - that's just childish at all!

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Jockey79

Jockey79
Nitek [pl] Triadius said:
You don't get it do you? Now the armor is so OP that A FULLY SHIELDED SHIP IS RENDERED USELESS! D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D? Should I type it slower?
SHIELDS have been rendered useless. Get your head out of your .... and check it.

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Again LOOK here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVwVBUD5fM8&google_comment_id=z13jcpipuwrytjz3b234ix1izt3uwrsgf04
That Was a test fight Full shield+boosters against ARMOR. Look at the comments. ALL shielded ships were destroyed. ALL of them.
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I watched that video, the guy disconnected BEFORE the proof of your claim was proven, oh and the recording started half way in to the fight, so no one knows how honest that test is.

In other words, a useless video that proves that you can record half way in to a fight for no other reason than a set up to push an agenda.

Broken toy goes bye bye, you're the one not "getting it".
 

Nitek [pl]

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Look guys I don't want to be a dk but this change really breaks my fun. I find it hard to understand how would you like that change. You like it and there are many of you. The devs listened and now my favorite game of all time 1600+ hours is broken for me. I tried to like it and I just hate what happened.
The worst thing is that I cannot do anything to revert it. I can stop playing, refund my lifetime pass and stay broken like the game. Missing it and my friends every day.
There is another thing - FD broke the sizes of panels so on my 3440x1440 text is unreadable. Looking how they adress fixes like this it will remain for a long time [ like the conda hud offset, 10cr bug etc] In monitor aspect - I am also a minority which means I am ***ED.
So what I do now when I hate the changes you imposed? I can't do crap. Nothing. I have to look at my favorite game ruined for me. I just hope that some day you will notice this was the wrong way.
The worst problem is when I love shielded ships - now with broken SCB every time I want to reload my shields is to fire the broken SCB near the station and land burning up hoping that my thrusters won't fail. The other option - wait 15 minutes staring at the dock until the shields are recharged.

Since I tried the beta I am really down... To be honest people around noticed that I am really down... because of a game. Because of a computer game:] I can't believe it myself but the last year was the best fun I had on my pc. Met so many interesting people, met new clans and groups [and killed them:]
Now. I should wait. Suffer the unreadable texts on panels. Put ALL armor and no shields and win by using this OP/NERF.

I dismounted my hotas, started Fallout 4 which turns out to have broken SLI.
I need a drink. This has been a disaster for me and please forgive me when I become a dK on the forums.

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Jockey79 said:
I watched that video, the guy disconnected BEFORE the proof of your claim was proven, oh and the recording started half way in to the fight, so no one knows how honest that test is.

In other words, a useless video that proves that you can record half way in to a fight for no other reason than a set up to push an agenda.

Broken toy goes bye bye, you're the one not "getting it".
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Well I was in that fight from the beginning. I attacked an unshielded armored corvette with a brand new, fully charge ship. Why would I lie?
 

Chef-Jitsu

Chef-Jitsu
Jockey79 said:
Oh because you have an agenda to push, you want the old over powered SCBs kept ?
Perhaps because without super shield tank you have no idea how to PvP - too used to cookie cutter builds ?

Any number of reasons really, these are just the nice ones I can think up on the spot.
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This is ridiculous:

[video=youtube;Qevxba0tbjk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qevxba0tbjk[/video]
 

Nitek [pl]

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Jockey79 said:
Oh because you have an agenda to push, you want the old over powered SCBs kept ?
Perhaps because without super shield tank you have no idea how to PvP - too used to cookie cutter builds ?

Any number of reasons really, these are just the nice ones I can think up on the spot.
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Come on man, I am in pvp for a long time. Why you impose that I am a ilar? Seriously?
So what do I say now? Really - I have to proove how much pvp I had? I am a part of a PVP clan, we do pvp every day.
I wish there were pvp kill stats. But this time you have to believe me.
I am not a liar - try the beta by yourself. Get a fully shielded ship, you friend takes the same without shields and stacking armor. Check it yourself.
I thought this topic is not about "you are not a good enough pilot"
 

Roybe

Roybe
Chef-Jitsu said:
This is ridiculous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qevxba0tbjk
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I agree...the disconnect needs to be repaired!

As far as the heat issue...rather than admit 'mistakes' were made...how about showing us a fight where you didn't make mistakes and how unfair the situation is?

Generally I do not use SCB's in a fight, as I generally take a prey attitude towards PVP (why fight when running is just as an effective escape mechanism)....This just seems to make timing and fighting a bit more challenging...

This being beta...there is probably going to be some adjustments made by the devs...up or down...but being punished in a game for making mistakes does not equate with 'This is a garbage mechanic now...and needs to be returned to it's original broken state.'
 

Nitek [pl]

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Roybe said:
I agree...the disconnect needs to be repaired!

As far as the heat issue...rather than admit 'mistakes' were made...how about showing us a fight where you didn't make mistakes and how unfair the situation is?

Generally I do not use SCB's in a fight, as I generally take a prey attitude towards PVP (why fight when running is just as an effective escape mechanism)....This just seems to make timing and fighting a bit more challenging...

This being beta...there is probably going to be some adjustments made by the devs...up or down...but being punished in a game for making mistakes does not equate with 'This is a garbage mechanic now...and needs to be returned to it's original broken state.'
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Get a friend and try cmdr. Shieldless ships are now the ultimate power. Which is ...
 

MottiKhan

MottiKhan
Personally, I think the SCBs are already too weak. Making them weaker doesn't compute for me. I mostly play PVE and use the SCBs to replenish my shields mid battle because the AI can't seem to stop ramming me. Even when I come to a complete stop, there's an incredibly high chance that a drunk AI will crash into me from some odd angle. Add my distorted coordination when I've has a drink or 3 and crashes are guaranteed.

That being said, I'm also a human player. Human players can adapt to any change that's thrown at us. We'll work with whatever's available and it's all good.
 

Chef-Jitsu

Chef-Jitsu
Roybe said:
I agree...the disconnect needs to be repaired!

As far as the heat issue...rather than admit 'mistakes' were made...how about showing us a fight where you didn't make mistakes and how unfair the situation is?

Generally I do not use SCB's in a fight, as I generally take a prey attitude towards PVP (why fight when running is just as an effective escape mechanism)....This just seems to make timing and fighting a bit more challenging...

This being beta...there is probably going to be some adjustments made by the devs...up or down...but being punished in a game for making mistakes does not equate with 'This is a garbage mechanic now...and needs to be returned to it's original broken state.'
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I run A7 shield and cant fire off a B6 SCB? More heat than shield recharge. That is just stupid. Why should the biggest combat ship in the game be threatened by 2 small ships. Again even noob mistakes should negate that. I spent a lot of time and effort to get into that ship and why when a Viper is just as effective? There is no way you can convince me this is a good change. A change can be made but this was too much too fast. Why not just make a limit to SCBs a ship can carry?
 
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