News Horizons Beta Delay to Monday 30th November

[Marc_Hicks]

Your sensitive, aren't you!! But you are right, "What would you know about business". But "don't take me seriously" it's people like us that give people like you jobs, so, you kinda proved my point..... Thanks.

Plus, you've proved the point about Humans, like many others who haven't read and understood the grammar and context of various posts correctly. I have actually been praising the devs as well.

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How would I know who he is? Just because I'm a business person.

P.S This is how you spell Business..... lol

If you'd bothered to read David's OP, you'd realize that the issues aren't just regular Beta "bugs", but are literally game-breaking issues that will prevent people even physically accessing the game. No point releasing a Beta if beta testers can't even gain access to it, wouldn't you say, Mr Business Person?

 

[wizz_ok]

It's really amazing to see the CEO getting so directly involved. That's all I wanted to say really. Just great stuff.

Rightly so and it's a very good thing that the ceo has been involved, otherwise we'd still be thinking it's only delayed till Friday, not next week (which I'd rather know now, than on Friday). So thank you for that David and once again, thank you for the amazing Elite Dangerous and Horizons when it arrives.

 

[Ziljan]

It's really amazing to see the CEO getting so directly involved. That's all I wanted to say really. Just great stuff.

I've never been a huge fanboy of anything or anyone, but David Braben is quite an impressive guy all around. His apparent grasp of every subject that his programming touches is deep enough to verge on expertise, and he pretty much embodies the word "visionary". The fact that he is so humble, approachable, and personable is just a huge boon to this game and to this community.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

Hi David,

I would definitely be interested to know what the issues are that you have been facing - it's always interesting to get a behind the scenes glimpse at the kind of issues faced during these crunch times.

Don't ask the butcher about the sausages..

 

[Ravonus]

I must say the Frontier Dev team is great... I can't say the same with the marketing team, marketing behind this game! I would say you guys should focus on a better way to create appropriate deadlines,etc. I honestly feel like you guys lack on this pretty bad. Also showing us what is next,etc. It seems like beta will be starting soon. Yet I have seen very little on the new expansion besides some talk and a few videos. So little that I am waiting on the pre-purchase because I am skeptical of what will actually be brought with the new expansion. I am certain you guys will make it great. I just have nothing to go off of. Other then that I am loving this game! Once the game does hit expansion I will most likely be buying it... Hopefully this helps!

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

Right on Mr B!
Nail down those pesky bugs, I'm quite happy to wait for the awesome.

 

[MarcusVatta]

Since we do have David Braben's attention, I have a question that doesn't directly apply to this thread:

Are there any parts of Elite or Stellar Forge that are reused from previous Elite games? It would be very cool if there was some algorithm in there that you've just been refining since the 80s...

 

[sainova]

Looking forward to it!

 

[wizz_ok]

An alleged business person who doesn't know the difference between "your" & "you're". If you'd bothered to read David's OP, you'd realize that the issues aren't just regular Beta "bugs", but are literally game-breaking issues that will prevent people even physically accessing the game. No point releasing a Beta if beta testers can't even gain access to it, wouldn't you say, Mr Business Person?

"Your" was in context to that person "your sensitive", which could have as easily been "you are or you're" as well, so sorry for that.
And yes, we do NOW know that the issues are game breaking, but we didn't know that until later today and as I stated in my first post last night
"We (the community) appreciate that it's not going to be perfect (it's a BETA, not a finished product). So, unless there's a major issue/fault with horizons, why not just release it on the date stated (tonight) and you could do updates over the next few days to sort out the issues that are causing you to delay the WHOLE release."
And, it has also been stated by someone that the Beta is to be a fully finished product and the Beta testing is just to stress everything and test that, prior to the full launch.

 

[snotface]

Following up on my previous post, the team are still working very hard indeed. We are not ready to go live with the beta today as we have already indicated was likely. We are very sorry about this, but it is not yet ready for a proper beta test because of some blocking issues. I will keep everyone posted over the next few days, and will check in on this thread from time to time for the next hour today, and will post more details here on those issues for those that are interested. We are confident in the Monday 30th date as we already have the key components to fix the issues we are seeing.


Once again, we are very sorry, and we thank you all for your support.

RIGHT ON CMDR!

David

Its nice to see Davids spending time telling us whats going on. I am looking forward to testing some things out. My only question will be, how stable will the test server be, will it disconnect as much as was reported for the 1.5 beta testing?

 

[TieKnee]

am happy to wait for the good stuFF .. just hope the language police dont get me for speelling.

Looking forward to playing a stable version.

 

[Harmoniser]

Your sensitive, aren't you!! But you are right, "What would you know about business". But "don't take me seriously" it's people like us that give people like you jobs, so, you kinda proved my point..... Thanks.

Plus, you've proved the point about Humans, like many others who haven't read and understood the grammar and context of various posts correctly. I have actually been praising the devs as well.

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How would I know who he is? Just because I'm a business person.

P.S This is how you spell Business..... lol

P.P.S I've never said that the devs are not honest, I've just said that the delay could have been better announced, like on the launcher.

I think this is the first time they have missed a hard date. But I've been away from the game for awhile. So I could be wrong.

The thing is they have not missed any deadline for the release of horizons. That is still on track to be the holidays, which I know is a pretty vague block of time. But as a business man, you'll agree that a vague release date stops any accusation of missing a release date.

Now yes they missed the beta date, but you'll know as a business person beta dates can change, but that's ok becuase it's not in the wider public gaze. What matters is making the hard release date for the public release of the game. You say it should be on the launcher, by why. The whole beta experience has always been run from this forum. Only when it goes live does it appear on the launcher. So everybody who has been working to improve the game in the beta phase knows this is where you come. In that respect frontier have been very open, and I'm saying that as a past critic of their opnesess.

I'm not sure if you are complaining about the delay. But I just wanted to point something out that may have gone over your head. When people complain about delays, What would they have them do, do they want them to hit a hard date, with a crummy build and fix it with a patch next Monday. This is the very act that business men have inflicted on the gaming community.

So Sorry I came to Frontier and also Star Citzen, to get away from business men who know nothing about game development. And so did the game developers on most the biggest crowd funded games. This means we will have bumps on the way, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[wizz_ok]

I think this is the first time they have missed a hard date. But I've been away from the game for awhile. So I could be wrong.

The thing is they have not missed any deadline for the release of horizons. That is still on track to be the holidays, which I know is a pretty vague block of time. But as a business man, you'll agree that a vague release date stops any accusation of missing a release date.

Now yes they missed the beta date, but you'll know as a business person beta dates can change, but that's ok becuase it's not in the wider public gaze. What matters is making the hard release date for the public release of the game. You say it should be on the launcher, by why. The whole beta experience has always been run from this forum. Only when it goes live does it appear on the launcher. So everybody who has been working to improve the game in the beta phase knows this is where you come. In that respect frontier have been very open, and I'm saying that as a past critic of their opnesess.

I'm not sure if you are complaining about the delay. But I just wanted to point something out that may have gone over your head. When people complain about delays, What would they have them do, do they want them to hit a hard date, with a crummy build and fix it with a patch next Monday. This is the very act that business men have inflicted on the gaming community.

So Sorry I came to Frontier and also Star Citzen, to get away from business men who know nothing about game development. And so did the game developers on most the biggest crowd funded games. This means we will have bumps on the way, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Fair comment...
My initial problem was, I believed a BETA to be an unfinished product anyway and the point of it, was to test it, stress it and find any faults and problems to help the developers. Therefore I fully expected there to be problems and updates. Last night was the first time I found out it was delayed, when I came here and it looked like it was only announced at 10.17pm last night and that it was delayed to polish it up a bit more and get it as good as possible.
All I said at the start was, unless it was game breaking (which we now know it is), why not just release it, as I thought that was the point of a beta. However, we now know it's a major issue and I'm totally fine with it being delayed, I just thought it would have been good for FD or ED to put a message on the Frontier store or on the Launcher, when David announced last Thursday (I believe) that it would be delayed, because not everyone who plays ED, or is waiting for EDH is a member here and therefore we had no way of knowing, that was all. Everything else has blown up from there and from people miss understanding my point, the rest is pretty much irrelevant really.

Yes, I was miffed last night (but never slanderous or abusive) and I've NOT waited anything like some of the people have. But I expected to get Horizons last night, as I'd bought the Beta version at the start of Nov with a date of 24-11-15 and I had cleared EVERYTHING from my work/family diary to give me three whole days/nights of uninterrupted Beta testing time.
Now, I'll just go back to my Cobra and wipe out some pirates and keep on exploring this AMAZING Galaxy, that David and ALL the Developers have made for us.

 

[Spookyy]

I think this is the first time they have missed a hard date. But I've been away from the game for awhile. So I could be wrong.

They missed the main release date by 9 months. But after that it's been on time'ish. I bet they will not miss the holiday release no matter the state of the DLC/Season whatever, because $$.

 

[darshie76]

An alleged business person who doesn't know the difference between "your" & "you're". If you'd bothered to read David's OP, you'd realize that the issues aren't just regular Beta "bugs", but are literally game-breaking issues that will prevent people even physically accessing the game. No point releasing a Beta if beta testers can't even gain access to it, wouldn't you say, Mr Business Person?

No need to reiterate; anyone that works in the industry, beisde indie companies, knows how software dev cycle works...if there are build breaking bugs, you don't even involve your internal QA (they actually cost money, they pay them, it is not like we, QA-players ).

They need more time? Good, so be it. Good thing that they won't be affected by Thanksgiving, so be happy about that (otherwise it will be on us, the blame to have them working for the same pay, over a holiday).

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And yes, we do NOW know that the issues are game breaking, but we didn't know that until later today and as I stated in my first post last night
"We (the community) appreciate that it's not going to be perfect (it's a BETA, not a finished product). So, unless there's a major issue/fault with horizons, why not just release it on the date stated (tonight) and you could do updates over the next few days to sort out the issues that are causing you to delay the WHOLE release."
And, it has also been stated by someone that the Beta is to be a fully finished product and the Beta testing is just to stress everything and test that, prior to the full launch.

Actually anyone that has ever committed a single line of code in a build, for a commercial product, had the intuition that it was a build breaking bug situation...Not everyone has 20 years of experience and I understand that, so no harm in thinking something wrongfully. In this forum we have CEO, developers, designers, life coach, world record holders...the list is long; anyone is good at something.

The final release hasn't been delayed, as far as we know. You may miss a deadline, or a milestone; which means that the EPM has to work to wrap things up and re-schedule....nothing uncommon or unheard, by people that work in the field.

This is a Beta only in name; it is 90% done; what are they missing is probably stress test and have someone with fresh eyes to check the build; that's what public builds and open beta are for. You won't see anything beyond minor adjustments (and sometimes not even bug fixes, if they could jeopardize launch); because better to launch knowing about non breaking bugs, compared to touch the code and make a mess.

Then of course, only Frontier people know what is going on; we are just speculating, based on personal knowledge.

 

[Teknomage]

I was about to say it must really really suck you all have to work on Thanksgiving.. then I remembered Frontier is in the UK lol I was hoping to get my hands on Horizons over the holiday but ah well. I have enough on my plate.. get it, plate? lmao

 

[darshie76]

Since we do have David Braben's attention, I have a question that doesn't directly apply to this thread:

Are there any parts of Elite or Stellar Forge that are reused from previous Elite games? It would be very cool if there was some algorithm in there that you've just been refining since the 80s...

probalby 90% of teh game is built on cool algorithms that exist since the begin of the century... is not like there is much to invent nowadays; data structures and algorithms are mostly the same.

Still today you can see professors in CS classes suggest the reading of the bible of programming, like the Knuth series of fundamental books...which are from the 30s I believe

 

[Artysu]

I'm 99.99% sure that this is because of the pizza! (they want moar )

 

[Aventius]

Excited for the 30th

 

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

Do you mean we have an option to start on the surface with only a SRV and then have to earn enough money to buy our first Sidewinder?

I really hope this is what you mean, because that is part of the fantasy of "Elite 4" I've had for many years before ED came along...

Start off on the surface without any kind of vehicle and then work yourself "upwards".

Walking (nearby settlement/city)--> Planetary ground vehicle (easier access to nearby settlements/cities) --> "Airplane" (access to the entire planet) --> Orbital ship (get easier access to the planet and orbital stations) --> Interplanetary ship (solar/star system access) --> Hyperspace capable ship (the rest of the galaxy and where we start off now). This would mean that it would take quite a while before people even reached our current start position.

Now this would be cool.