News Horizons Beta Delay to Monday 30th November

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Toumal

Toumal
wizz_ok said:
I personally expect a beta to have faults, that's why we bought into it, to help.... Not to keep getting shoved back.

Yes it's ALL great and yes we WILL all wait until it is released, BUT, you need to recognise that even with all the best will in the world, it has not been handled very business like (as far as charging and dates etc go).

But I am STILL massively looking forward to it "whenever we get it" and I do appreciate ALL the hard work that's gone into all of Elite Dangerous. But equally, people do need to stop praising the devs for delaying it and realise that's wrong as well.
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Still no reason to fly off the handle for a 1 week delay.
Now if Frontier were to announce next Sunday that they are going to take an additional 1-2 months to start the Horizons Beta, THEN I'd be angry.
 

hintzsche

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I got an answer to one of my Tickets i post now the whole answer that it comes to no misunderstandings.



Hi Christian,

Thanks for getting in touch in regards to your question. This is no problem at all.

I have refunded your pre-order so you can use the money to buy the expansion with Beta access instead. Please note that it can take up to 8 working days for the money to reach your account. Usually it is much faster though. The money will be refunded to the account it was paid from. With PayPal transactions, this can be the PayPal account.

Please be aware that unfortunately, the Horizons beta will be arriving a little late. It is scheduled to be released next Monday now. We will be adding a special set of carbon style black paint jobs originally intended as a Black Friday feature, to all accounts who pre order any access to the Expansion before next Thursday 18:00 BST. The paint pack includes a skin for 29 of the 31 ships in the game.

I hope this would improve the situation for you, please let us know should this not be the case and we will look further into the problem.

Best Regards,

CMDR Vega
Elite: Dangerous Customer Support
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Katie Byrne

Katie Byrne
hintzsche said:
I got an answer to one of my Tickets i post now the whole answer that it comes to no misunderstandings.



Hi Christian,

Thanks for getting in touch in regards to your question. This is no problem at all.

I have refunded your pre-order so you can use the money to buy the expansion with Beta access instead. Please note that it can take up to 8 working days for the money to reach your account. Usually it is much faster though. The money will be refunded to the account it was paid from. With PayPal transactions, this can be the PayPal account.

Please be aware that unfortunately, the Horizons beta will be arriving a little late. It is scheduled to be released next Monday now. We will be adding a special set of carbon style black paint jobs originally intended as a Black Friday feature, to all accounts who pre order any access to the Expansion before next Thursday 18:00 BST. The paint pack includes a skin for 29 of the 31 ships in the game.

I hope this would improve the situation for you, please let us know should this not be the case and we will look further into the problem.

Best Regards,

CMDR Vega
Elite: Dangerous Customer Support
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wow so we get free paint packs for 29 ships? Thank you FD :D
 
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Jon flint

Jon flint
Sweet, free paintjobs. Thanks FD guys :)

As for the whole delay, I'm cool with it, after all I paid for access to the beta, which I will still get. When I brought it there was no mention of any release date and just because a speculative release has been missed, I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram like some seem to have done. As far as I'm concerned FD went through the proper channels, ie, warning us there may be a delay some days before then official confirmation before the actual date, it's a beta and not a finished product for goodness sake!

I eagerly await the angry entitled rants on Monday when people discover bugs!! Shock horror, how could they release a product like this etc...
 

StefanOS

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StefanOS
David Braben said:
The transition from supercruise to orbital cruise is seamless - you just see the altimeter and flight ladder appear. When you drop from orbital cruise to normal flight there is a short transition, as with dropping from supercruise.
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Thats odd. Until now the statements on this question was something like "we will go down and land seamless on planets surface".

You are comparing it with dropping from Supercruise. Right now dropping from Supercruise to normal flight in space is far from being seamless. I cant image how a mechanic like that will look if I approach a planet surface.

I guess we will find out Monday 30th.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
StefanOS said:
Thats odd. Until now the statements on this question was something like "we will go down and land seamless on planets surface".

You are comparing it with dropping from Supercruise. Right now dropping from Supercruise to normal flight in space is far from being seamless. I cant image how a mechanic like that will look if I approach a planet surface.

I guess we will find out Monday 30th.
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Yes I have to admit that this post by David, surprised me. The advertising until now was the landing without transitions
 

Wescott

Wescott
Good and sensible decision and please ignore the whingers and complainers, the release will be all the better for you being able to resolve those issues without the player base hammering at it at the same time.
 

Javert

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Javert
StefanOS said:
Thats odd. Until now the statements on this question was something like "we will go down and land seamless on planets surface".

You are comparing it with dropping from Supercruise. Right now dropping from Supercruise to normal flight in space is far from being seamless. I cant image how a mechanic like that will look if I approach a planet surface.

I guess we will find out Monday 30th.
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I think that FD probably consider the word "seamless" to refer to the loading of game assets and the planet. They already demonstrated in a recent sneak peak and livestream that they have the technology to do a seamless zoom from planet surface to orbit, so from a graphics perspective, the seamless technology is there.

However there will need to be some kind of special effect to cover the fact that when you suddenly decelerate from thousands of meters per second, to just a couple of hundred, there is also a transition of network instance taking place and it takes a second or so to load that. This can be covered up with a deceleration effect of some kind.

When you transition from SC to orbital cruise, your velocity is probably not changing that much between your minimum SC velocity and your cruising orbital cruise velocity.

I think what FD are following here is that the instance transition also occurs at the time when you make a huge reduction in velocity in the space of a second or two.

This is not a "loading screen" in the sense of a game like Half Life 2 where one bit of space is being thrown away and another one loaded.

This is consistent with the current game, where the transition to normal flight is actually a huge change in velocity from several thousand m/s to 0.

I think this will all start to make sense when we see how it works.

I am comfortable with this, because the way I think of it when your frameshift takes you through that change from extreme speed to much lower (or the other way around), you will experience some sensation and visual blurring at that point due to the forces on your body etc.

The key is whether the animations that accompany this are immersive and make you feel like it's a real experience, and also quick enough to not interrupt the experience.. I do agree that the transition from SC to normaly flight at the moment when you are approaching a station is not ideal with the station popping up in front of you by magic - it would be better if it kind of zoomed in from the distance as if you are decelerating rapidly, but maybe that's something for a further fix.
 
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Kirth

Kirth
'Seamless' implies that the perception is seamless. I would imagine coming out of orbital cruise with a whole planet filling the screen with undiscernable detail below, would give the perception of seamless to the player.
 

cavan

cavan
Thank you.

Only speaking for myself, but take your time. In the past, when you haven't? It's been, well...less than optimal shall we say?

Keep on keeping on my space bro.
 

BEKTOP 3APEMOB

BEKTOP 3APEMOB
David Braben said:
The transition from supercruise to orbital cruise is seamless - you just see the altimeter and flight ladder appear. When you drop from orbital cruise to normal flight there is a short transition, as with dropping from supercruise.
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Does this mean that people who didn't buy Horizons will be able to zoom around planets in Orbital Cruise, but only those who bought the second season will be able to land on the surface (drop to normal flight from orbital cruise)? I'd like that :)
 
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