Powerplay Pirates in Powerplay

[glojo]

If there is opposition then naturally there is the possibility that a minor faction will not be able to improve its influence. This holds regardless of which mode the opposition is playing in.

There is also the possibility that there are 5th columnists at work....

Hi Robert,
I always like to think I am a glass half full type person and I accept I cannot do toodly spit about players in a private group... They can and do undermine us and looking at the numbers, we are being battered.

Human traffic through our system is monitored, we know how many ships we have so it is a simple process to work out how many visitors we have. YES ships might be in a different instance and still be in open but numbers do not lie . There is huge numbers of human players coming into our stations but less than a dozen a day are in open.

I accept you might disagree but we see what we see and there is NO way we can prevent private players from coming in and undermining us, thus ruining completely our game.

The private groups can do what they want, the open groups have their game completely ruined by something they have no control over... We can reach our 3% cap in the first ten minutes of the 24 hour window and then the private groups can simply undermine us to their limits.

Yes open play players might, just might come into the system in a different instance but that unproven speculation. We know for a fact that private groups are doing this as they openly boast about it and all you guys do i8s simply say Powerplay is not PVP orientated????? Apologies for my frustration but I sense you might slowly be understanding where we are coming from with this silly arrangement.

Split powerplay into groups... Folks can play in private, folks can play in open but do not let them interact (although obviously open can go into private)

 

[Robert Maynard]

Yes open play players might, just might come into the system in a different instance but that unproven speculation. We know for a fact that private groups are doing this as they openly boast about it and all you guys do i8s simply say Powerplay is not PVP orientated????? Apologies for my frustration but I sense you might slowly be understanding where we are coming from with this silly arrangement.

Split powerplay into groups... Folks can play in private, folks can play in open but do not let them interact (although obviously open can go into private)

Which mode the undermining is happening in is speculation for reasons that you have touched on yourself.

Powerplay is part of the single shared galaxy state. To split it between Solo / Private Groups and Open play would require multiple galaxy states - something that Frontier are, from what they have said, not going to do.

 

[fergal]

I cannot count how many times I have quite clearly stated that each minor power is capped at 3% influence every 24hrs...

I am hoping your post was meant as a joke.

We CANNOT stop invisible players from undermining us.

They can EASILY reach their 3% if they have no opposition..

Hopefully your post was made as a joke as most of us are banging our heads against a brick wall trying to explain this crazy situation.

The game isn't set up for you to "stop invisible players", you counteract undermining with fortification, not by crossing your fingers and hoping you are playing at the same time, and from the same country, and in the same game mode.

As for the 3% cap on minor faction influence change every day, I don't see your point.
You can move the minor factions influence you want by 3%, and someone else can move a competing influence by 3%.
Thats the competition, none of it is directly against another player.

 

[glojo]

Which mode the undermining is happening in is speculation for reasons that you have touched on yourself.

Powerplay is part of the single shared galaxy state. To split it between Solo / Private Groups and Open play would require multiple galaxy states - something that Frontier are, from what they have said, not going to do.

NO....Mine is not speculation we have had it investigated.. I was being polite regarding your observation regarding different instances.

We have had the numbers checked and it is beyond a doubt private groups rendering Powerplay unplayable regarding trying to increase influence by private groups. It is unwinnable FULL STOP

not one of you has come forward with a single suggestion of how to make any type of progress.

all you do is avoid answering my very simple question and instead keep reciting a hollow meaningless bunch of words.

How can a minor power increase its influence when influence is capped at 3%

FORGET open play

FORGET private play

how can any minor faction increase its influence which is capped at 3% per 24hrs.

Under mining factions also have this cap

 

[Robert Maynard]

NO....Mine is not speculation we have had it investigated.. I was being polite regarding your observation regarding different instances.

We have had the numbers checked and it is beyond a doubt private groups rendering Powerplay unplayable regarding trying to increase influence by private groups. It is unwinnable FULL STOP

By whom?

How can a minor power increase its influence when influence is capped at 3%

FORGET open play

FORGET private play

how can any minor faction increase its influence which is capped at 3% per 24hrs.

Under mining factions also have this cap

The cap was brought in to, presumably, stop massive swings due to player action. It would seem that it has created a situation where stalemate occurs more often.

 

[glojo]

By whom?



The cap was brought in to, presumably, stop massive swings due to player action. It would seem that it has created a situation where stalemate occurs more often.

Definitely...

 

[Ziljan]

Having a moderator participate this heavily in a controversial discussion is a bit like having a politically charged debate with an armed police officer in a voting booth. Kudos to glojo for being able to carry on for 5 pages without getting banned

 

[Ian Phillips]

Having a moderator participate this heavily in a controversial discussion is a bit like having a politically charged debate with an armed police officer in a voting booth. Kudos to glojo for being able to carry on for 5 pages without getting banned

Being a moderator is NOT a barrier to being able to express their opinions on these forums.

EVERYONE in entitled to express their opinion, thats what discussion forums are for, and posts get moderated on basis of the forum rules.

 

[Ziljan]

Being a moderator is NOT a barrier to being able to express their opinions on these forums.

EVERYONE in entitled to express their opinion, thats what discussion forums are for, and posts get moderated on basis of the forum rules.

That's not my personal experience. And I have heard several player complaints to the contrary where moderators have used their position to promote their own views and edit the views of others, particularly on the topics of PVP and Open vs Solo. This is a real problem on the forums, one which almost caused me to walk away from a game for which I have a deep affection and connection to the community. In any case, heavy opinionated involvement by the referees certainly has a chilling effect on free and open debate of controversial topics. That's all I have to say about this topic, and I'll take my leave of this thread now.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Hearsay..... is not a way to express concerns about moderation.

There are procedures to register complaints about any moderation action, which can be found in the forum rules and they should be followed. If you have concerns please do follow the FD procedures.

Thank you.

 

[Iain M Norman]

It's worth pointing out that we have a standard operating procedure in place where moderators are not allowed to moderate threads where they are participating in the discussion.

 

[glojo]

Hi Robert,
I think it only right, proper and fair that you must be able to join in any debate that you feel able to contribute to but..... Is it worth considering that when you join in a debate you somehow remove all the official looking tags?

You asked why I would like Powerplay to only be played in open play and have wrongly concluded it is solely to 'force' PVP interaction.

In truth I think it only right, proper and fair that Powerplay should be accessible to every owner of Elite Frontier BUT.....

It is sheer madness to allow invisible players access to just one group of players!!!

Powerplay when played in open is comparable to a game of football being played with one team being blind folded...

I say this because the solo, or private player can destroy or at least nullify any influence generated by the open player and there is absolutely NOTHING the open player can do about this. The private players can do what they want, where they want, when they want, how they want. It is only human players that effect influence and whilst we can speculate about players being in different instances... That is something we all accept and it works both ways.

What is daft however is allowing someone free access into your location, do what they want whilst being invisible.

I have my own thoughts about capping but clearly it is crazy to allow someone who might only play a few hours a week to drastically influence this part of the game.

I cannot and will not speculate about how badly these issues are and all I can talk about is how our own group is shrinking due to players quitting powerplay as it is an extremely fruitless, frustrating part of the game that saps morale and YES I am rapidly getting disillusioned with it which is so sad as when it was first talked about, it sounded so good.