it's gonna be a bloodbath and i can't personally wait.
lord forbid people should shoot each other in a game about spaceships
lord forbid people should shoot each other in a game about spaceships
grefing on planets
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I struggle to see this happening to any great degree - these planets, moons, planetoids are all HUGE, just watching the vid below kinda highlights this, so I guess unless you are lit up on the scanner and are able to be seen from orbital cruise, I suspect this scenario would be rarer than hens teeth.
[video=youtube;0jE7UhIyRnA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jE7UhIyRnA[/video]
Awesome post. If I could rep you more than once I would.
Also don't forget to mention the other hysterically poor mitigation that the <<griefers>> use by quoting the game title as if it is their responsibility to create unsolicited dangerous for other players...
Your post is the analogy of the expression that "there's always one <<griefer>> in any group and if you can't see who that is, it *must be you*"
I agree that the OP has cause for concern about mechanisms that the <<griefers>> will find to cause grief to other players... Let's hope there aren't any loopholes in the systems in place but, frankly, I doubt that the mechanics will be grief-proof at least in the first instance. Hope to be proven wrong, though.
Keep up the flawless logic in exposing the griefers' fallacious arguments that grieving isn't actually a *thing*, because we all know, truly, that it is.
Cheerz
Mark H
Without using the G-word, there are players in every online multiplayer game who enjoy finding loopholes in the game mechanics and specifically using them to disrupt other players participation in the game. They are a tiny minority but when they are active they tend to have an impact out of proportion to their actual numbers.
Because of that disproportionate impact, players who find themselves victims of other players legitimate gameplay tend to lump all players who target others for any reason in with the exploiters and ascribe the same motivation to them when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. This true in every multiplayer game that includes even the tiniest PvP component and ED is no exception.
Pirates are a cost of doing business for a trader, whether they be players or NPCs - and quite frankly, given the choice I'd RATHER be pirated by a commander than by an algorithm. You can negotiate with a player, a computer not so much.
PKers hanging around the spawn systems swatting sideys are playing the game their way and while we may object to their ethics we have no basis for calling on FD to sanction them somehow, instead we simply advise new players to join a PvE group or play in solo while they learn the ropes and clear out of the target zone, then return to open if they wish once they are both facing the more normal risks of the galaxy and have trained themselves to be better able to handle it.
The exploiters on the other hand, that tiny minority that truly do set out to disrupt others games as an end in itself rather than as an unfortunate consequence of legitimate gameplay, those FD can and demonstrably will do something about. If they show up taking advantage of a loophole in Horizons mechanics, FD will handle it.
Because of that disproportionate impact, players who find themselves victims of other players legitimate gameplay tend to lump all players who target others for any reason in with the exploiters and ascribe the same motivation to them when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. This true in every multiplayer game that includes even the tiniest PvP component and ED is no exception.
Pirates are a cost of doing business for a trader, whether they be players or NPCs - and quite frankly, given the choice I'd RATHER be pirated by a commander than by an algorithm. You can negotiate with a player, a computer not so much.
PKers hanging around the spawn systems swatting sideys are playing the game their way and while we may object to their ethics we have no basis for calling on FD to sanction them somehow, instead we simply advise new players to join a PvE group or play in solo while they learn the ropes and clear out of the target zone, then return to open if they wish once they are both facing the more normal risks of the galaxy and have trained themselves to be better able to handle it.
The exploiters on the other hand, that tiny minority that truly do set out to disrupt others games as an end in itself rather than as an unfortunate consequence of legitimate gameplay, those FD can and demonstrably will do something about. If they show up taking advantage of a loophole in Horizons mechanics, FD will handle it.
It appears that you made a mistake there. If it is unethical to do this, then we ALL need to make a stand against it, rather than just shrug and say "meh".
There is no other motivation for sitting at starter stations popping harmless "clean" sidewinders. It is grieving. Pure and simple.
Cheerz
Mark H
Those "loophole searchers, and Game Mechanics exploiters" make rather excellent beta testers- it is literally their (and our) purpose in the beta phase to seek out and push the limits and loopholes to their extremes to find all of their limits and broken extents (It called "breaking the beta")- for the developers to have a fully researched set of problems to address.
The problem is; those excellent beta tester characteristics are rather hard to turn off. And friendly game play is a bit of a foreign concept to their view of the world and how games are meant to be played.
Rather like a Navy SEAL retiring from the field and trying to play flag football, the guy is gonna wreck some people. Its hard to "change gears" so thoroughly.
Sure, Good Beta Testers are monsters. Game killing monsters. But we need them to be just that. During beta testing. "we need them on that quality control wall"- so to speak. And they do not come with on/off switches when it comes time to interact in open play.
So when these monsters find major flaws in the horizons beta, and manage to break entire economies and planetary bases with minimal effort- they are in fact doing what we want them to do- for the good of the whole.
We must honor our Monsters.
They are not Griefers. A griefer, for example, is a guy in an anaconda sitting at the 3447 outpost (starting pad) and repeatedly blowing up a new player as he respawns. again. and again. and again- hoping for a rage-quit. While he may claim "I'm testing outpost law enforcement mechanics", we can clearly see he is just being a [expletive here]
The problem is; those excellent beta tester characteristics are rather hard to turn off. And friendly game play is a bit of a foreign concept to their view of the world and how games are meant to be played.
Rather like a Navy SEAL retiring from the field and trying to play flag football, the guy is gonna wreck some people. Its hard to "change gears" so thoroughly.
Sure, Good Beta Testers are monsters. Game killing monsters. But we need them to be just that. During beta testing. "we need them on that quality control wall"- so to speak. And they do not come with on/off switches when it comes time to interact in open play.
So when these monsters find major flaws in the horizons beta, and manage to break entire economies and planetary bases with minimal effort- they are in fact doing what we want them to do- for the good of the whole.
We must honor our Monsters.
They are not Griefers. A griefer, for example, is a guy in an anaconda sitting at the 3447 outpost (starting pad) and repeatedly blowing up a new player as he respawns. again. and again. and again- hoping for a rage-quit. While he may claim "I'm testing outpost law enforcement mechanics", we can clearly see he is just being a [expletive here]
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Nope, YOU need to make a stand against this, I won't do the slightest bit, simple because I figured even before I started playing how to avoid things like this, the games includes lots of options for good reasons.
You should look at my posting history Roybe, I'm not the one who complains about getting attacked by other players, no matter the situation, as I'm actually a PvP gamer. I've had plenty of griefers interdict me and try to kill me, none of have been successful to date, and I haven't whined about any of those morons, just killed them. I don't mind the griefers, they amuse me, especially when they start cussing me out after THEY interdicted me and attacked without any comms and I destroy them, slowly and piece by piece, THEN they open comms and cuss me out and whine and cry and plead for me to let them live. I don't, I enjoy plucking the FSD and drives off of griefer ships, making sure I've broken their canopy and then watching and waiting while they run out of air...I find it amusing, and I consider it justice.
Griefers ARE in this game, that's a fact, FD has already responded to their actions multiple times, some of those listed in this very thread no less. Sandbox games don't mean you can't grief, that's , it's a GAME, all games, by their very definition, have rules and expected modes of behaviour. Online Multiplayer games are, by their very definition, social interactions, and to act in anti-social manner is rather totally against the point of social interactions. So, you can claim there's no such thing as griefing all you want, it's and we all know it. People who try to EXCUSE or JUSTIFY their behaviour know they did wrong, that's guilt making itself known, absolutely amazing how many griefers feel it, probably a thesis paper or three in that.
So what you're saying is that you won't support the righteous endeavour.
Because YOU figured it out where others may not have?
I think that is probably all I need to say...
Cheerz
Mark H
There's so much potential fun to be had. Ramming and crushing landed ships, seeing what rail guns do to SRVs. Doing fly by's of outposts while firing off huge alpha weapons like twin c4 PA's. Fun will be had by all, or at least by me...
...and guess what folks. That's not griefing, it's called playing the game.
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Well there is definitely a difference between being killed 'because' and seal clubbing. What about the 'traffic cops', blowing themselves up to make sure that the station kills the speeders? Or people that just interdict and attempt to kill someone? There are to many shades of grief in this game...and life is to short for me to waste wondering or caring if someone got their jollies from killing me.
<shrug> I just play as if all the peoples are NPC's...play my way and if i die, I move on. If I start coming up short on insurance...it's back to private mode and grinding out some trade for insurance money. My forays have been less and less into Open...because, I can't be bothered to constantly grind out cash to be able to play there. To each their own.
I actually love how you call out the NPCs and their actions, that's a definite thing that FD needs to address, but it IS funny as hell, and annoying as hell, when the same NPC interdicts me for the 10th damn time in a row!
In the bubble, I play in Open almost exclusively, regardless of whether or not I can afford rebuy, I've been knocked down to the starter Sidey a few times already and it just doesn't bother me. It's a game after all, and getting my ass kicked is just something I expect to happen, especially in a GOOD game, by the game itself. In a multiplayer game like Elite, I also expect that to happen via other players, it hasn't YET, and I always make sure to add that qualifier, as I know there are much better combat pilots in this game than I. I've watched the videos, there's a LOT of mother's sons and daughters in this game who could easily kick my ass, and I actually look forward to getting a chance to dance with them at some point, but I'm weird like that, I enjoy being beaten by my betters. I consider it a learning experience, always have, any game I've played, either IRL or video games, my betters have things only they can teach me so I can become better.
So far, my only PvP interactions have been with people who are griefers, and not very good combat pilots, not at all what I'd consider good PvP encounters by any means, despite ME having some fun at their expense(ok, a lot of fun). Guess it's my upbringing, I don't consider taking on someone who doesn't have a chance fun, I think of it as bullying. I'm only too happy to teach a bully a lesson however, even if I know they don't have a chance against me, justice IS blind, but no one ever said she doesn't have a wicked sense of humor
You should really check out every other open world PvP MMOs and tell their communities to stop griefing then, spread your love.
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+1 gave me a good laugh.
Oh God, obvious 'inane' bait, obvious...