I'm not officially part of the Canonn, but I got an A-Level in Stats if you want a sanity check on some tinfoil hattery.
UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn
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I'm not officially part of the Canonn, but I got an A-Level in Stats if you want a sanity check on some tinfoil hattery.
Kyp, Derthek and Nick Powell were kind enough to come chat. Over at the Alliance Office of Statistics (Mahon Reddit) we thought we had found something that had been missed and it suggested that the technical problems effecting stations was a technological virus being spread by ships like the Cerberus plague not the UAs themselves. We had a sound theory to show this was the case, however two stations which we thought did not have a Black Market turned out to have them after all. One because two stations had that same name.
So, you're not in need of a Chi-Squared test then. Ok.
*re-lurks*
What was the P-Value set at?
Thought: regarding the recent Galnet about Korolyov et al and fears of a 'technological virus'.
If it's a computer virus, it could spread via the galactic network, potentially via any ship, potentially between stations.
Might also be that the only thing that's needed is a ship that's *carried* a UA has to dock at the station, regardless of whether it sells one or not.
The toxic corrosion could merely be a cover, planting a nasty cold (yes, ID4 style) into any ship, turning it into a carrier.
If so, then hundreds of stations could yet be on the list to go down - even those without black markets.
In fact, if there are any affected stations without black markets now, then that could explain it.
Back to mah whiskeh
If it's a computer virus, it could spread via the galactic network, potentially via any ship, potentially between stations.
Might also be that the only thing that's needed is a ship that's *carried* a UA has to dock at the station, regardless of whether it sells one or not.
The toxic corrosion could merely be a cover, planting a nasty cold (yes, ID4 style) into any ship, turning it into a carrier.
If so, then hundreds of stations could yet be on the list to go down - even those without black markets.
In fact, if there are any affected stations without black markets now, then that could explain it.
Back to mah whiskeh
For me this settles it. We have to restrict usage of the UAs at once. Whoever sent these out had no good intention. Polish your lasers, you will need them!
You can see on the UA reddit people are planning to sell them as warfare in powerplay. Until a station that doesn't have a black market becomes infected, we need to assume that selling the UA is directly responsible.
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If ray gateway falls this will be a disaster
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If ray gateway falls this will be a disaster
Bingo ! That might be a clue ! Maybe it's some sort of a carrier for the UA
OT: What's your tipple? I availed myself of the Bonn Flughafen shop and bought a bottle of Glenlivet Distillers edition which I'm enjoying very much. Normally a peaty man.
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I suspect that the 'effects' you see around the UA and the shimmering/blurring that occurs across their surface and around them is indicative that they are actually residing in two locations at once or possibly holding a gateway open to where they came from. After being released from a ship's hold, they don't actually explode, they simply return from whence they came. The negative effects on ships and stations are due to the effects of whatever is keeping them slightly out of phase with our physicality or holding that gateway in space open. While in your hold or in the station, they are mass locked and can't get away.
Perhaps they return to witchspace, perhaps just to another location in the galaxy.
Then again, maybe there is a virus; we used one on them, after all. Are any Alliance systems affected?
Yes, I tend to lurk so as not to put my foot into my mouth
Perhaps they return to witchspace, perhaps just to another location in the galaxy.
Then again, maybe there is a virus; we used one on them, after all. Are any Alliance systems affected?
Yes, I tend to lurk so as not to put my foot into my mouth
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Jeesh I need to get my cockpit put back together, all this sciency goodness I've been missing
I've visited 49 Arietis, 64 Arietis, Nganji, Diaguandri and Peregrina... with a UA in the hold. It's not me, honest!
I said it last time, and now this latest report just underlines it in thick black marker with a huge red PROVEN stamp on top.
Pic Tok, Nganji, Peregrina... all locations of large scale sales of UAs by player groups advertised online. Speaking for myself, these reports indisputably prove that selling UAs at stations leads to problems and shutdowns. I hope others are just as convinced by the evidence. Since we have no agency or influence over other player groups, we can't stop people selling UAs at black markets.
If we can't stop the sales, then we need to be at the forefront of looking into countering the effects. Cmdrs collectively managed to come together to find and distribute a cure for the Cerberus Plague earlier this year, so we collectively have the ability to distribute an "antidote" or "vaccinate" station systems. I believe learning how to vaccinate or innoculate station systems is now The Canonn's TOP PRIORITY heading into the new year.
Goldstein Station in Lembava doesn't have a black market, so that should be ok.
There's alternative well stocked shipyards and outfitters within Li Yong-Rui territory at ix, BD-04 797, Airman Di, 64 Ceti and a few others.
BD-04 797 is my usual place to buy ships, then it's not far to Lembava or Diagunadri to fill up any module upgrades if needed.
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Tullibardine Sovereign - with a dash of water (after being reminded by other CMDRs over on the group site
The livet distillers' is indeed very nice - I think similar to the Tullibardine if the other livets are anything to go by
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I've visited 49 Arietis, 64 Arietis, Nganji, Diaguandri and Peregrina... with a UA in the hold. It's not me, honest!
I said it last time, and now this latest report just underlines it in thick black marker with a huge red PROVEN stamp on top.
Pic Tok, Nganji, Peregrina... all locations of large scale sales of UAs by player groups advertised online. Speaking for myself, these reports indisputably prove that selling UAs at stations leads to problems and shutdowns. I hope others are just as convinced by the evidence. Since we have no agency or influence over other player groups, we can't stop people selling UAs at black markets.
If we can't stop the sales, then we need to be at the forefront of looking into countering the effects. Cmdrs collectively managed to come together to find and distribute a cure for the Cerberus Plague earlier this year, so we collectively have the ability to distribute an "antidote" or "vaccinate" station systems. I believe learning how to vaccinate or innoculate station systems is now The Canonn's TOP PRIORITY heading into the new year.
Goldstein Station in Lembava doesn't have a black market, so that should be ok.
There's alternative well stocked shipyards and outfitters within Li Yong-Rui territory at ix, BD-04 797, Airman Di, 64 Ceti and a few others.
BD-04 797 is my usual place to buy ships, then it's not far to Lembava or Diagunadri to fill up any module upgrades if needed.
Yeah, it's unequivocal - I agree.
But before a cure can be found, we need to know how or why. If we can find a way to stop the corrosive effect on a ship, then we can find a way to do it on a station as well IMHO.
Granted, they're not talking about 'toxic effects', but a 'tech virus', but I reckon they're one and the same.
Perhaps the fact that the toxic corrosion stops if carrying a UA while docked is indicative of a change in behaviour in the UA - I.e. it 'targets' the station, not handwavium. Although, the corrosion from toxic canisters also stops while docked, right?
Dear everyone, I'm BACK™!
Installing Horizons right now, I will answer soon to the PMs I've received in these few days.
Appreciation to the awesome Drew Wagar who is still following this thread/novel, and to the mighty Michael Brookes that has still the force and the will to tease/fool us
All of your science is belong to us!
I just realized there was a bit more than usual of a double entendre in Michael's comment perhaps (and Drew's immediate followup). Should have clued into this earlier. Would say more, but, you know, spoilers! Plus I could be wrong, but if I am right this could bode very well for the UA and other story lines. I hope.
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Never played those others, but Starflight was amazing on Sega. The music and sound was weird but set the mood perfectly. The instruction manual had plenty of story without hurting any of the mystery in the game. And the map was certainly helpful, both practically and immersion-wise. Yep yep, I do miss those days.
Yeah it is worth noting that some games do still come with extra goodies. Oblivion had a pretty awesome map, which hung on my wall for quite a while. I don't want to have to pay extra for such things, but at this point I suppose its not entirely unreasonable.
Concerning the recent station shutdowns, I see a lot of people concluding that UAs are in fact causing the station shutdowns. But I'm not entirely convinced yet. The idea is certainly plausible and I am leaning toward that theory. But before I hop on the bandwagon I want to see more evidence and I'll likely be carrying out more experimentation in the days to come. As always, I'll inform the Canonn of my group's findings. Also going to post some GalNet articles to be considered soon. I even wrote a 4 page short story on the recent UA events. Yeah, I'm getting waaay too into this lol But I love to write anyways, and if helps everyone else feel more immersed then its worth it.
Best of luck guys. Maybe we'll get through this without every station being closed down....
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