UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

[Derthek]

Now, I'm not 'the group' - but I think most people are going to agree on this.

That's not what I heard, Lord of the cronies

But yeah, don't issue a KOS list unless you're personally going to be administering the pain. And even then, don't do it in the name of Canonn because I don't really want to help out. LZ has me on garbage duty and I don't have time... ah the life of a cronie.

(Seriously though, no KOS lists. We've never been about that. I will gladly KOS any Canonn cmdr with enough balls to speak for the group without consulting the membership as a whole)

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I propose we split up the affected stations and sell a predetermined rare(s) to each. No cross pollination, so that if one of the stations DOES get better, we can look at which one or more commodities we sold there, and so on.

IE We have stations 1-6 affected.

Sell commodities A-G at 1

G-K at 2

L-P at 3

and so on

Until we figure out that only station 4 is getting better, then split up P-T and sell one of each at stations 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, until one of those improves.

Good scientific thinking & definitely worth trying, think that's what Riz means; needs coordination to ensure roughly equal quantities of each are delivered. Something to be attempted over the next few days?

 

[LordZoltan]

You're right
It seems this time I was wrong: I'm human after all, I was hoping so much to be an AI

BTW, closing the Black Markets doesn't seem a viable option to me: to really stop the spread we should close all the Black Markets in all the stations, around all the Bubble. Because just closing the BN in the affected station could be not enough at all, being people capable to sell UA anywhere else.
There must be another way, right?

My view: the story will show that we had an opportunity to act wisely, stop distributing them when there were anough hints there, but that collectively we chose not to do that.

The result will be a bigger problem (whatever it will turn out to be, and I wouldn't be surprised if it got a bit ugly) that'll require more 'work' to fix, but ultimately we'll still be able to fix it.

This phase in the story is about seeing how far the problems can spread first before we're given the opportunity eradicate them - it is in our hands.

Whether the problems stop spreading because everyone chooses to stop selling or whether more and more people seek to 'weaponise' them is part of the interactivity of the story - and ultimately, human nature.

Edit: sorry if I'm 'breaking immersion' again. I just don't like getting wet.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

<doffs science hat>

While we need to revisit the commodities tests, it is my belief that we need to be looking at Hafnium 178.

Why Hafnium 178? From http://www.chemicool.com/elements/hafnium.html ...

We can see that UAs radiate something because of the pulsing purple/green aura when they're floating in space, and they cause toxic damage to ship systems when contained in the cargo hold.
If it was gamma radiation, it would tend to pass through matter rather than interact/damage it. If it was alpha radiation, it can't penetrate matter enough to damage electronics. It is was beta radiation, light metal would stop it in it's tracks.
Neutron radiation however...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_radiation


So are UAs radiating neutrons in such quantities that our ship systems get damaged by it?
That brings us back to Hafnium 178. As a neutron absorber, it could reduce the effect of neutron radiation (if it is neutron radiation). Hafnium 178 is also supposedly a source of energy if the radioactive decay can be stimulated.

My proposal is to source large quantities of Hafnium 178 and sell them on a station that is beginning to suffer problems. UAs can only be sold at black markets, and since the only source of Hafnium 178 we know of is Faction fleet convoys, they're illegal and can only be sold at black markets as well. This might intervene at a station that is still functional, but I don't know how we can revive or cure a station that has been shutdown.

I would also suggest the same experiment but using SAP8 Cores at another station.

SCIENCE!!!!!
Doesn't quite explain how the pilots have managed to survive the neutron onslaught...perhaps we are fed anti-radiation meds while sat in the pilots chair, wondered frequently how we can fly so close to stars & survive the rads

 

[rizal72]

My view: the story will show that we had an opportunity to act wisely, stop distributing them when there were anough hints there, but that collectively we chose not to do that.

The result will be a bigger problem (whatever it will turn out to be, and I wouldn't be surprised if it got a bit ugly) that'll require more 'work' to fix, but ultimately we'll still be able to fix it.

This phase in the story is about seeing how far the problems can spread first before we're given the opportunity eradicate them - it is in our hands.

Whether the problems stop spreading because everyone chooses to stop selling or whether more and more people seek to 'weaponise' them is part of the interactivity of the story - and ultimately, human nature.

I agree.
What it seems very clear now is that the UA is really behaving like a PHAGE/BACTERIA, remember the Cerberus Plague?
With the slight difference that it affects machines and electronics instead of life forms: it uses our ships as vectors to spread, exactly like e cold: this explains what MB intended when he said the UA damage was a FEATURE.
The phage-like structure of Cerberus was a first consistent hint about the UA nature, indeed, as we assumed so many times then.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

As terrifying as this could be, it might not be so bad after all. A thought formed in my mind... What if the Artifact is just calling out because its lonely?
Maybe it doesn't want to damage our ships, but it hates being carried as cargo.
I gave the thing a good hug after scooping it up. My skin feels a bit numb where I touched it and my eyes are kinda sore from staring at it... But I'm sure that's only temporary...

Anyhow I've decided not to sell my UA. I showed it to a friend who was happy to see one for the first time, but I couldn't let him look too long... Its my UA and my UA is with me.
Ive made a small bed area behind my seat where she sits most of the time.. Ive gotta say its pretty loud in the cockpit now. It is a wonderful Artifact though and I'm very happy to have one

Ahhh, where's the Precioussssss .....

 

[Han_Zen]

That's not what I heard, Lord of the cronies

But yeah, don't issue a KOS list unless you're personally going to be administrating the pain. And even then, don't do it in the name of Canonn because I don't really want to help out. LZ has me on garbage duty and I don't have time... ah the life of a cronie.

(Seriously though, no KOS lists. We've never been about that)

KOS is pointless and counter productive.

How can anyone determine if a player intends to sell UAs or just reload AFMUs. People carry UAs for science. Don't shot them.

Personally i don't mind people selling them either. There are plenty of stations out there and confinement is plain boring.

It does not matter if twenty or hundred stations are affected. Inn fact, more stations are better. It increases the chance of someone accidental finding something.

Don't panic out there

 

[Kicks]

The damage the UA creates might not have any nefarious intent. If it's giving off some kind of radiation it's may be quite natural for it to affect ones' ship and indeed, stations.

 

[EAGLE 5]

KOS is pointless and counter productive.

How can anyone determine if a player intends to sell UAs or just reload AFMUs. People carry UAs for science. Don't shot them.

Personally i don't mind people selling them either. There are plenty of stations out there and confinement is plain boring.

It does not matter if twenty or hundred stations are affected. Inn fact, more stations are better. It increases the chance of someone accidental finding something.

Don't panic out therehttps://forums.frontier.co.uk/images/icons/vbposticons/icon14.gif

This... Necessity is the mother of all inventions. Might be exaggerating but if everything you came into contact with caught fire, it wouldn't be long for you to invent an extinguisher.... If you don't get shot first that is.

Ok now I go back to bed for a few.

 

[Han_Zen]

The damage the UA creates might not have any nefarious intent. If it's giving off some kind of radiation it's may be quite natural for it to affect ones' ship and indeed, stations.

It might be radiation, but our ships report 'Toxic Corrosion'. I interpret that to mean a chemical reaction.

I agree that the damage is probably caused by a natural process in the UA.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

It could be possible,looked at how viable a few days ago.
From what I can gather on PP factions,only pratnav antal and Lavigny Duval can shut down BMs,also has to he a controlled system rather than exploited system.
Looking at infected stations they're not quite that close to make it easy to test without getting a lot of help from one of those 2 factions. Lavigny Duval would be easiest due to larger player Base I'd assume.

Little I can do to help, after tomorrow off on holiday,not back till 2 days after horizons release.

GL with any new discoveries,will be following the thread till I'm back.
P.s many pages ago peanut cookies were thought to be extinct,,but they're alive and well,except this pack B-) View attachment 83080View attachment 83080

That was me - Where, oh where?????

 

[PsychoFish]

The damage the UA creates might not have any nefarious intent. If it's giving off some kind of radiation it's may be quite natural for it to affect ones' ship and indeed, stations.

I love how there are people amongst us, that still believe in the good. It IS a possibility.

Spoiler

However, I am convinced it's the start of an invasion and we need to work together to prepare for the alien thread.

 

[Silmar]

I love how there are people amongst us, that still believe in the good. It IS a possibility.

Spoiler

However, I am convinced it's the start of an invasion and we need to work together to prepare for the alien thread.

Alien thread??? Is the Threadnaught itself in danger from another Thread!!! Aliens in the forum!!!! .

 

[Kalearne]

Here's my thoughts on the whole station infecting UA theme.

I remember reading MB saying science needs to happen. After reading some of the other MB posts I'm starting to lean towards the idea that there is a key station (or station type) that needs to get UA's in order to create the 'cure'. There was some talk of the research station in Peregrina but I dont remember seeing any updates since. Wheres Palin right now?

I'll admit I'm a little creeped out by the 'you can stop it spreading' comment.. even it was directed at the Jaffa cakes. I get the distinct feeling we just showcased all our best technologies and commodities to an unknown power.

I'm trading for some cash at the mo but I'll be touring the shell soon popping any I find. I'm hoping that they can be dissuaded from wasting resources sending UA's. Unless I'm convinced otherwise.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Here's my thoughts on the whole station infecting UA theme.

I remember reading MB saying science needs to happen. After reading some of the other MB posts I'm starting to lean towards the idea that there is a key station (or station type) that needs to get UA's in order to create the 'cure'. There was some talk of the research station in Peregrina but I dont remember seeing any updates since. Wheres Palin right now?

I'll admit I'm a little creeped out by the 'you can stop it spreading' comment.. even it was directed at the Jaffa cakes. I get the distinct feeling we just showcased all our best technologies and commodities to an unknown power.

I'm trading for some cash at the mo but I'll be touring the shell soon popping any I find. I'm hoping that they can be dissuaded from wasting resources sending UA's. Unless I'm convinced otherwise.

Is it possible that the Peregrina research station is on a planetoid that will be accessible with v2.0?

 

[Han_Zen]

I love how there are people amongst us, that still believe in the good. It IS a possibility.

Spoiler

However, I am convinced it's the start of an invasion and we need to work together to prepare for the alien thread.

Science is not about good or evil. It's not relevant, because it's subjective.

Science is about finding out how nature works.

 

[LordZoltan]

It might be radiation, but our ships report 'Toxic Corrosion'. I interpret that to mean a chemical reaction.

I agree that the damage is probably caused by a natural process in the UA.

Yeah, but to put my pedant's hat on - 'toxic' is such a broad term: Water is toxic - in sufficient quantity.

Ah!

Whales!

 

[PsychoFish]

...
I remember reading MB saying science needs to happen.
...

MB is a Thargoid spy. We should NOT trust him.

 

[Han_Zen]

Yeah, but to put my pedant's hat on - 'toxic' is such a broad term: Water is toxic - in sufficient quantity.

Ah!

Whales!

No need to be pedantic. There is a quite common chemical corrosion reaction involving water called rust

 

[rizal72]

Here's my thoughts on the whole station infecting UA theme.

I remember reading MB saying science needs to happen. After reading some of the other MB posts I'm starting to lean towards the idea that there is a key station (or station type) that needs to get UA's in order to create the 'cure'. There was some talk of the research station in Peregrina but I dont remember seeing any updates since. Wheres Palin right now?

I'll admit I'm a little creeped out by the 'you can stop it spreading' comment.. even it was directed at the Jaffa cakes. I get the distinct feeling we just showcased all our best technologies and commodities to an unknown power.

I'm trading for some cash at the mo but I'll be touring the shell soon popping any I find. I'm hoping that they can be dissuaded from wasting resources sending UA's. Unless I'm convinced otherwise.

Peregrina has already an affected station, so it seems UA have already been sold there.
I support the Palin thing instead: he is in Christian Dock in the NGANJI system, but there is no black market in his station...

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