UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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We need to go deeper. :cool:


As I speculated this morning about 600-800LY deeper if you're looking for traces of generation ships.... for the real unknown space is the limit.

EDIT: If I was a pre-supercruise/hyperspace culture wanting to set out for distant suns in search of fresh real estate, I'd probably point toward the milky way or at the very least the fatter part of the arm Sol sits on because it would be more star intensive then say outward toward the limb of the galaxy or the rifts between the arm. Chances are the missing's flight plan was more of a cone than a circle.... oddly enough Sigon's graphics made me think of this.
 
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Found more.

So far it's:
Dec 12 (1 article, 3x)
Nov 16 (1 article, 2x)
Oct 12 (2 articles, 2x ea)
Sep 19, (1 article, 2x)
Sep 7, (1 article, 2x, separated by another article)
Jul 22 (1 article, 2x)

wonder how far back it goes, and if it really has significance or just a bug? none in August. I think I'll stop there for now.
 
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That's a great idea. So, we what, try and get affected but functioning stations turned over to Federation control? Does the Empire shut down black markets as well?

It could be possible,looked at how viable a few days ago.
From what I can gather on PP factions,only pratnav antal and Lavigny Duval can shut down BMs,also has to he a controlled system rather than exploited system.
Looking at infected stations they're not quite that close to make it easy to test without getting a lot of help from one of those 2 factions. Lavigny Duval would be easiest due to larger player Base I'd assume.

Little I can do to help, after tomorrow off on holiday,not back till 2 days after horizons release.

GL with any new discoveries,will be following the thread till I'm back.
P.s many pages ago peanut cookies were thought to be extinct,,but they're alive and well,except this pack B-) DSC_1559.jpgDSC_1559.jpg
 
As I speculated this morning about 600-800LY deeper if you're looking for traces of generation ships.... for the real unknown space is the limit.

EDIT: If I was a pre-supercruise/hyperspace culture wanting to set out for distant suns in search of fresh real estate, I'd probably point toward the milky way or at the very least the fatter part of the arm Sol sits on because it would be more star intensive then say outward toward the limb of the galaxy or the rifts between the arm. Chances are the missing's flight plan was more of a cone than a circle.... oddly enough Sigon's graphics made me think of this.

Did all the generation ships set out from Sol? I'm not quite up to date with much of the lore for Elite.

So, if they all set out from sol or similar. Really "the bubble" would be a good enough approximation? We could look at the top speed achievable in a generation ship and get a good idea as to how far they could have traveled (unless witchspace) and calculate a spherical perimeter for exploration based on that.

Found more.

So far it's:
Dec 12 (1 article, 3x)
Nov 16 (1 article, 2x)
Oct 12 (2 articles, 2x ea)
Sep 19, (1 article, 2x)
Sep 7, (1 article, 2x, separated by another article)
Jul 22 (1 article, 2x)

wonder how far back it goes, and if it really has significance or just a bug? none in August. I think I'll stop there for now.

Any similarities with the subject/content of the duplicate articles?

It could be possible,looked at how viable a few days ago.
From what I can gather on PP factions,only pratnav antal and Lavigny Duval can shut down BMs,also has to he a controlled system rather than exploited system.
Looking at infected stations they're not quite that close to make it easy to test without getting a lot of help from one of those 2 factions. Lavigny Duval would be easiest due to larger player Base I'd assume.

Little I can do to help, after tomorrow off on holiday,not back till 2 days after horizons release.

GL with any new discoveries,will be following the thread till I'm back.

Well, there goes that idea for me. Pledged Hudson.
 
Any similarities with the subject/content of the duplicate articles?

Not that I can tell...

in MM/DD format since I'm on the west side of the atlantic...

12/12Services Suspended at Carter Port
11/16Market Value of Unknown Artefacts Increases
10/12Emperor's Dawn Connected to Universal Cartographics Security Breach
10/12Prime Minister Mahon Holds Influence over 1,000 Systems
9/19GalNet Weekly Expansion List
9/7Chancellor Blaine Opens Senate Debate
7/22Date Set for Imperial Wedding

The only theory I have is that Galnet itself is malfunctioning, similar to the stations, and that we might see an article on it in the next few days. Does Galnet have a "home" station? Or it could be a real bug, but there might still be an article on it, as FD might make up a story to explain it away.
 
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Not that I can tell...

12/12Services Suspended at Carter Port
11/16Market Value of Unknown Artefacts Increases
10/12Emperor's Dawn Connected to Universal Cartographics Security Breach
10/12Prime Minister Mahon Holds Influence over 1,000 Systems
9/19GalNet Weekly Expansion List
9/7Chancellor Blaine Opens Senate Debate
7/22Date Set for Imperial Wedding

Me neither. Bummer.
 
Obviously got MB worried with my protest scare, look how the info flows! but seriously.
Its not about trying to "heal" stations right now.
The course can be steered by us i.e pew pew at the UA! (good or bad. i think bad)
So what's left? what haven't we tried or what have we tried, got so close only to stop again?
We need to look over what we know and look at the facts, the why,s, when,s and the do you mind if we dont'ts. easy to say i know.
But

I can only assume its like doing a jigsaw and spending hours looking for that little bit of sky with the star that you assume is under the toaster, in your aunt's jewelry case (who lives in hever) or orbiting a near by star. After falling through a eddie in the space time continuum, when the dog farted and you knocked the peace off the table by accident whilst awakened suddenly from restful dozing.
When your girl friend, mate, Aunt walks past with out even a hello and plops the piece into place with out care nor (to you) thought.

fresh perspective (waves hand in the air) man!

PS

Lots of red wine
 
Should we start spreading the control and containment orders around other player groups. The UA mystery is gaining traction in the EDC Facebook group. I have issued warnings cautioning commanders to cease and desist all UA trade and passed along the KOS order there.
 
Perhaps it is time to sell one of them to a station run by a minor faction you don't particularly like.

For Science of course. @_@
I would not recommend this. I have petitioned other non-Canonn groups to cease and desist any and all UA trading, including KOS orders for any commanders found with one. It would be hypocritical to exclude ourselves.
 
Look at the top picture in this article. Remind you of anything? It's a very interesting article if you have any interest in invertebrate biology or evolution. (WARNING: Parasitic squishy jellyfish worm things with microscopic harpoons).

It makes me wonder if the next part of the UA story might be about the station infection being the next stage of the UA's "life cycle". As the article states, and you can look up, most parasites have to infect multiple different types of hosts to complete their life cycle. So, we have "spores" (the UAs) that infect the first host (ships), which are in turn transferred to the next host (stations). If this is the case we might see the UAs change form somehow because they're in a new host. Now, the stations could be the final host before more UAs are sent out to to start the cycle over, OR there may be one more (or two or three?) hosts the UAs need. Stations aren't highly mobile (except Jacques station, right? I still don't get how that works in game), but they are a place where you might find a lot of humans wandering around in atmosphere sans protective space suits. So, maybe the next host is us?

Hmm... I think this tinfoil might be past its expiration. Anyway, if it happens like I've just written, I'll be happy to claim that it was my idea and the developers stole it from me.

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Also, I still think the trying to shut down black markets thing is a good idea. It can be done, right? We could shut down black markets on stations that haven't yet had actual services removed to try to halt their decline. Then (or simultaneously) we could shut down black markets in a certain radius from the affected stations and/or a certain distance from the UA bubble. I'm sure it would take a ton of work and honestly I don't understand how those mechanics work, but I think it could be done. Maybe it's an idea for a community goal?

(This is all assuming that the UAs are the cause. I think that's pretty well established even if the mechanism is not.)
 
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Not that I can tell...

in MM/DD format since I'm on the west side of the atlantic...

12/12Services Suspended at Carter Port
11/16Market Value of Unknown Artefacts Increases
10/12Emperor's Dawn Connected to Universal Cartographics Security Breach
10/12Prime Minister Mahon Holds Influence over 1,000 Systems
9/19GalNet Weekly Expansion List
9/7Chancellor Blaine Opens Senate Debate
7/22Date Set for Imperial Wedding

The only theory I have is that Galnet itself is malfunctioning, similar to the stations, and that we might see an article on it in the next few days. Does Galnet have a "home" station? Or it could be a real bug, but there might still be an article on it, as FD might make up a story to explain it away.

No but Galnet is transmitted via subspace/witchspace/whateverspace which is why we are able to access it even in an empty star system. This in itself is really an interesting possibility that GalNet may be on the fritz because of sever subspace/witchspace/whateverspace disruptions caused by "something" moving through and/or coming through it into the bubble like say millions of UAs/ a Thargoid Fleet/ the witchspace Cloverfield we talked about earlier.

People always thought I was crazy but I DO that I have seen things through hyperspace... those foo fighter orbs way out in the black where there shouldn't be other ships traveling to the 100s of dots traveling in formation (a la original Elite) way in the distance usually obfuscated by the swirly clouds once you spot them...

Something is going on and we will soon find out.
 
How reliable are the GalNet updates? I've been sifting through the last couple of months, and there's some regular reports missing. For instance, the PP report for the 4-9 is missing, and the blank entry on the 8-9 should be a security digest, I think. I'm almost done with organising August, then it's on to cross referencing and pattern hunting. =] At first I thought the last three months would be enough, but there are problems at the end of August too.

EDIT: Imperial dates
 
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Did all the generation ships set out from Sol? I'm not quite up to date with much of the lore for Elite.

So, if they all set out from sol or similar. Really "the bubble" would be a good enough approximation? We could look at the top speed achievable in a generation ship and get a good idea as to how far they could have traveled (unless witchspace) and calculate a spherical perimeter for exploration based on that.
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Really quick mass but it can't be any further than 900lys, it less if you take into account acceleration and deceleration, going from zero to 99.9999% light speed instantly would be suicidal.

It takes 3 or so years at 1g acceleration to get you to 99% speed but let keep it simple an say 100%, so in theory there shouldn't be any vessel further than 894light years out.

The first interstellar travel didn't start until 2400, even if they did make it to another system unless they find a better drive system they still can't get out further 894 lightyears, in fact it be less because they have that acceleration and deceleration and probably exploration and refueling of your ship. Still a enormous search area but unless these travellers got a speed boost from someone, there ships should still be inside the bubble.

But anyway one problem as a time, we still got a technological virus to fight and defeat or inflict on to our enemies.
 
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Really quick mass but it can't be any further than 900lys, it less if you take into account acceleration and deceleration, going from zero to 99.9999% light speed instantly would be suicidal.

It takes 3 or so years at 1g acceleration to get you to 99% speed but let keep it simple an say 100%, so in theory there shouldn't be any vessel further than 894light years out.

The first interstellar travel didn't start until 2400, even if they did make it to another system unless they find a better drive system they still can't get out further 894 lightyears, in fact it be less because they have that acceleration and deceleration and probably exploration and refueling of your ship. Still a enormous search area but unless these travellers got a speed boost from someone, there ships should still be inside the bubble.

On the subject of generation ships I'm reminded of this piece of copypasta.

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