I'm not 100% against the idea of a dedicated PvE mode, as the mobius players and a fair amount of solo players would no doubt populate it pretty quick. Just concerned about the impact it would have on open, so I'm reticent to support.
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I'm not 100% against the idea of a dedicated PvE mode, as the mobius players and a fair amount of solo players would no doubt populate it pretty quick. Just concerned about the impact it would have on open, so I'm reticent to support.
Now we're talking!
By the logic shown by most pro Open posters, there should be no impact, since us scaredy cats wouldn't play there anyway, right? As I said a few posts ago, I really cannot understand why an Open PvE mode would make you think it is detrimental to Open as it is, unless you think that the pirate and BH targets are not there by choice. And in that case, they have every right to abandon ship and go to an Open PvE mode.
Translated;
I don't want the main population to know they don't have to be my cannon fodder - in case they then leave me to play with myself.
What's wrong with being concerned about player numbers in open? It's quite a common theme on this forum.
I enjoy PvP piracy as its one of the main sources of player interaction in ED, I don't 'gank' people for lolz like many of you probably are implying.
I don't see that many human players. Because I'm in an obscure corner of the bubble.
If you think you see too many, try to stay away from community goals, starting systems and similar.
See? You do get to choose via your in-game actions, rather than a menu option.
All this needs is meaningful, effective system security to create safe zones for traders who don't want to get into scraps.
If you think you see too many, try to stay away from community goals, starting systems and similar.
See? You do get to choose via your in-game actions, rather than a menu option.
All this needs is meaningful, effective system security to create safe zones for traders who don't want to get into scraps.
There is nothing wrong with that, the wrong comes from people coming up with convoluted reasons to buff credits in open, (one example), the wrong comes from people trying to force people into open by suggesting group and solo modes should be removed or handicapped. Sadly, many of the PVP advocates, many who claim to be pirates and many who do just shoot for the lulz have, partially at least, made their own bed in terms of so many being in group and solo play, and now, they moan about having to lay in that bed. I'm not pretending that the numbers in open would be far, far greater if there were not so many pew pew only commanders, but I bet there would be more in open if there were less trigger happy people flying about.
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You know what withholding information from someone is known as in legal circles?
(Toxic, this is your fault, you woke my legal brain up, so I blaming you
lol)Lie by omission.
So in order for your personal enjoyment, you're willing to lie about the game to prevent others from gaining their personal enjoyment.
You are really able to sit there and advocate a lie by omission so you can build your entire play time on that lie ???
Personally, I think fair play is a better option, but hey - I must be weird wanting every player to be able to choose how to enjoy the game and not trick them in to my game style.
No one is implying that, we have out right stated it
The only reason to force unarmed soft targets in to open (or retain them by deceit) is because you want something easy to kill (aka "gank" them) and not people who are ready to defend themselves (which would be the case if PvE and PvP were separated properly as in other MMOs)
Not a thing. In fact I'd support promoting Open any day of the week, and twice in October.
But I feel the motivation always has to be to promote the inherent qualities Open has over other modes. If you're going to give a credit bonus, you'll be promoting the credit bonus, and you will have people in Open because of that credit bonus, but who don't like the inherent qualities in Open. Credits are a bad motivator in that regard.
And as a pirate you'd be hard pressed to deliver a valid reason to players, traders, why they need to be in Open so you can enjoy more PvP Piracy.
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There are always going to be player killers in open-world sandbox MMO games, that was inevitable from the moment Frontier made the decision to go down that path.
If they're not going to add any incentives for people to play in open, then fine - but FD should add in-game systems that make traders feel safer (like AI wingmates, more effective anti-pirate weapons or better bounty hunting tools).
If traders are tougher to rob because of this... then great it's more fun that way. What I seek in ED is unpredictable player encounters and emergent gameplay - not griefing.
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Exactly.
Now you're talking!
Well that is difficult, hence why I suggested the bonus.. having said that some traders do enjoy the risk. You know the ones, they thank you for robbing them...
Agreed, but like it or not, there is also some responsibility of some open players to not behave like they are playing whack-a-mole, some of those in open have the ability and the understanding that their actions have an effect, the fact that they still chose to pollute the water they want to drink from is baffling on all levels. The issue many of the true RP pirates have in this game should not be with the solo and group players who have felt pushed out of open, but with the PVP'ers and pretend pirates who have made open so unpalatable to so many.
And those traders will already be in Open right?
The gameplay mechanics you named in your other post are exactly the thing that might draw those who are hesitant into Open, because Open would suit them better. Not because there's a credit bonus, while their issues with Open remain.
I hear you Jockey, this is what I want to avoid. Although I am looking for some 'light' PvP I'm not to keen to be pirating truckers and would look more the multi-role ships as I mainly fly a Cobra I figure this would be fair however I do not want to be the one sending others to the insurance screen just for my enjoyment nor do I want to be the one who makes a player even think about changing modes.
I have the idea of announcing that I intend to interdict a ship with a message along the lines of 'RUN!' just to add a bit of spice to the chase. Not sure how it will work out...
I guess ethical pirating is not an easy thing!
Yeah, that was more of a general comment about traders.. I used to trade a lot pre 1.3 and I enjoyed the CGs the most because of the threat of piracy from players. I did get destroyed a couple of times and stopped short of thanking them... but I found it far more enjoyable than normal trading - which I always found pretty dull.
I'm happy with that
I think the shock mines in 1.5/2.0 are an initial attempt to help traders stuck in pirate situations, but FD need to go much further if traders are going to come back to open.
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You can always create your own private group and invite family and trusted friends and have fun with co-op.
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Of course there are - they can be remarkably tenacious in bringing PKing to games that would survive perfectly well without it.
NPC wingmen were discusses in the DDF (here) - hopefully they will make an appearance sooner rather than later - they could end up being a double-edged sword though (in that attackers can use them too).
Unpredictability in most pirate / trader encounters would require the trading ships to be much tougher....
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