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With over 800 posts each, then Robert in 3rd place at just over 400....
Plus I'm on the beer....
It kind of explain why we have 3 mods watching us
EVE is going through hard times now. The user's leak is too big to handle, it's plagued with RMTeers (real money transfer) who control and chock the game for regular Joes. Also EVE is the good example when the forum driven suggestion severely damaged the game - "jump fatigue" and the developer who pushed through and implemented this solution - "Greyscale" was fired a month later when the stats from billing department became available.
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Wow, I'm glad I quit after 2 years.
(Launch -> 2 years in, I didn't like the way the game was going.... turns out, I was right !)
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Eve has many good things too, but I dont think ED and Eve could be compared and they're not competing in the same game space.
Nope, the only good thing to come out of EVE was me
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Anyway folks, we are missing out on the really important conversation, what will we call the next thread?
I'm thinking;
S.O.G May the 4th be with you.
Any other suggestions? (we have 40* pages left to hammer this out, not sure it will be enough)
[* = number of pages by the default settings for the forums]
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I threw up in my mouth, just a little bit, when you said "jump fatigue".
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I do not want EVE in a cockpit. I want to play elite as it was advertised. If you played EVE with any expectation of it being non-pvp, you were playing the wrong game. The gank squads got worse because of nerfs to the game. Again, nerfs were introduced to the game where the players had the tools already to avoid problems, but instead took some sort perceived moral high ground and wanted to have the devs do it for them.
But this isn't EVE. And I don't play it in any hopes that it will become blob combat or anything like that. Because THAT part of your response rings true as a bell... If you are solo, you are toast. I don't wish that whatsoever .
You want to play ED as advertised, same as me.. but slight issue is for me.. I can't play as advertised. Because certain supposed PVPers have decided that those of us who do play as advertised are inferior, and want the game changed to suit their playstyle.. and have done things in game to make sure others play their way. That is the whole reason for the mega thread, you look at all the suggestions... PVER's have made one.. not a demand, but a request.. a suggestion.. a PVE version of Open. PVERs have been making demands for 3 years to lessen the impact Solo and group have on the game, boost Open to make it the go to mode, or to give PVPers their own Galaxy that they can lord over and the evil "ghost" army of solo and group can't interfere in.
The whole charade of three and going onto 4 megathreads.. is because some people feel that their way is the only way and the rest of us must submit to their playstyle and be the sheep for them to kill and they don't like it when the rest of us say... No.
It's the good example of the forum driven idea to nerf "force projection". Hopefully FD is clever enough not to fall into this trap.
I think you are taking things relatively far concerning your perception of how the community sees you. I am new here, and I dont see anyone as "inferior".
As for the game play being changed... I am not advocating any of that. YOU are, in your request for a server mode that disallows and type of ship to ship combat between players. That isnt a thing, so indeed you are requesting the game to be changed to suit YOUR playstyle. Mine is already supported, so I dont need anything to change. I know you are likely talking about the ones advocating removal of solo and group, but thats not me, or anyone else who has posted in the last several pages, unless I missed one.
So, you do understand that some people don't want to be cannon fodder and some have no problem with it, yet you want ALL of them to play by your rules? That's messed up. And for some it DOES matter if they get blown up by an NPC or by a player. It's something that has been hammered time and time again. Again - not to everyone minds, but a decent enough number of people thinks that way and now play in Mobius or Solo. I think that's telling. And this point seems to be lost on pretty much every PvP advocate in this thread.
Each to his own. I like to do BH in a HazRES, even tho it's pretty safe in a FAS. I like to play Warframe, even tho it's a purely Coop game. I like to play the Witcher 3, even tho it's a story-driven sandbox game where you're a total bad-ass (played right, you don't die, period). Just because you like roguelikes doesn't mean everyone else does.
Also, sorry if I missed some other parts of this discussion. Quite a few posts have been written since the quoted post was made.
In ANY case... I still think there is no TECHNICAL way to enforce open only (due to P2P constrains), so that point can be dropped from the agenda entirely, please (if it still turns up) - along with all suggestions like "boost income in Open".
As for a PvE group - at least consider the possibility of advertising Mobius some place. I'd still argue that better tools are needed for handling groups of such size (it not an actual PvE mode is made).
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Have you ever been personally the cannon fodder for PVP players in ED?
I doubt this is ever going to happen but if there were a true pve and pvp mode, one which was separated and commanders could not jump between I'd like to see the one where pvp could take place have far less restrictions and enjoy a lot more sandbox features (EvEish, without the total group control). There have been a heap of concessions made for the risk adverse over the years, partly to encourage people to play in Open. As you say, it hasn't worked, and those who would avoid the potential for player engagement at any cost wont even play in Open. I find that odd because for the most part I rarely encounter commanders outside CG areas and certain hubs.. and even when I do see them around my chance of being interdicted or shot at is extremely low - based upon my years of experience in game. 400 billion systems, yet the minute any player attacks someone the world is about to end.. Its hysterical.
I think the game could have been designed in such a way so that areas would have been safe to be in based upon a system security status and so people could make their choices about where they went. Risk and reward. Sadly, there is very little jeopardy in ED and I think it diminishes any sort of achievement.
People keep talking about the mobius group but it remains less than 1.5% of the player base (and who knows how many of those actively play in it). Its a rather privileged group of people when we consider how FD caters to that sort of play.
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Leto, I'm sorry but you need to read the entire mega thread all three of them.. and yes we made a suggestion.. we did not demand it.. read the thread and you will understand what I am talking about.
Ahhh, that is why we still like you then
Give it time, as a PvP'er. seeing us "filthy" PvE'ers having daft amounts of fun while you sit looking in to the black and not having anyone to shoot at......
You'll soon™ resent us, then join Code out of defiance, leading to hate us as we still carry on having fun without you and your style of play away from Open.
I guess you weren't here back when the game was being developed, when ideas could still be more freely shaped. A lot, and I do mean a lot, of players are dead set against ED becoming more like EVE, to the point a sure recipe to have a thread erupt in flames was to suggest certain EVE features be incorporated into ED.
My guess is that the main issue is against player ownership of space and the things inside, as well as the incentive to be a part of a large organized group. It might be a lot of fun for the players that enjoy the political fighting it causes, but it is horrible for everyone else. The typical ED player seems to be more free spirited, wanting to do his own thing without acknowledging the influence of other players.
And, for the record, EVE not only is a game I don't ever want to play again, it's the game that made me utterly reject any and all non-consensual PvP. Before I played EVE I was willing to give games with a bit of non-consensual PvP a chance; after my stint with it, if there is even a shade of a chance I might be attacked by another player without first consenting, I don't even bother downloading the game.
Huh, nope. EVE is a niche game that can only appeal to a certain kind of player. For the players in its niche it is certainly a great, unmatched game, but most people won't ever be able to enjoy EVE.
It's no wonder it has huge issues with player churn, with most players that actually purchase the game lasting less than a month. (And perhaps why I regularly see it on sale for about $3.)
Locking people in a mode is not an answer and as for jeopardy.. there is for the sheep but none for the wolves. And calling Mobius a "privileged" group is rather asinine. Because people want to play there sometimes or all the time and not want to pvp doesn't make them privileged.
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