CQC Are There Known Hacks in CQC That We Know Of?

[CmdrJacks]

It isn't like it was in the 90s. You no longer own the software you use, you license it and that license can be withdrawn at any time for any reason. Banning people isn't a good solution though, players are the revenue stream and marketing department all rolled in to one. Banishing people to a period in an un-upgradeable sidewinder/orca would be good for the main game. Shame tags or temp bans for CQC.

Personally, I'd like the ability to opt out of being matched with certain players, like those who cooperate in deathmatch as FDev seem to have no will to do anything about it. I suspect it's being done to destroy the part of the game they don't like, akin to a 5 year old stamping his feet.

 

[Hurricane Moon]

I agree it is different in this case - when cheating in the 80s/90s and getting those 'codes' from Nintendo Power and the like - Online gaming didn't exist. Yea you were cheating, but you didn't hurt then next guy who wanted to play legit. So you were limited to your own little world playing the game as you like, not impacting my game.

The moment there is a possibility to impact another persons gaming with cheats, that is when it is a problem. A cheater on an online/multiplayer game - no matter how benign is a problem with Elite. As in this game, there is no 'offline' mode and in theory every 'action' in the game will somewhat impact the BGS - so even cheating in solo is a big problem for me. Getting millions of credits farming - that money is spent somewhere, improving a station beyond what it should be with the legit players. Also impact security, outcomes of civil and regular wars - not at all something that should be acceptable, PC, console - whatever.

I wish they perma-baned the accounts of cheaters and force them to buy the game again if they want to play again.

id say its already 50/50

sensible ones remain unspoken....they wont perma ban...they are desperate to keep the customers

 

[feldz]

With so many huge network glitches plaguing almost every single match I'm never really sure if I won the match because I was good or because people couldn't get be because they couldn't see me or damage my condor. Same goes for loosing a match - sometime I go after ships flying straight out of play-field and can't do anything to their shield or hull - wasting precious frag collecting time, often my damage doesn't register on my opponent shields or I can't see them.
There's no way to tell a hacker right now, at least I can't do it.

 

[kossack]

There is a way to be 99% certain:
If the same player consistently have shield damage, but no hull damage - he is hacking.
If a player kills you twice in a row with seemingly 1/3 hits/time normally required - he is hacking.
If it takes too much hits/time (4x normal) to disable shields on a condor and he is boosting as fast as you are with 4 pips in ENG - he is hacking.

Since there are high certainty cases (and confirmations from hacking forums) anybody with high (above 3.5) Kill/Death ratio is suspect. Watch them closely.
As far as I understand besides "high certainty" cases (just plain dumb hackers) there are more sophisticated ones that adjust their shield/weapons strength and/or energy capacity just a bit..

With so many huge network glitches plaguing almost every single match I'm never really sure if I won the match because I was good or because people couldn't get be because they couldn't see me or damage my condor. Same goes for loosing a match - sometime I go after ships flying straight out of play-field and can't do anything to their shield or hull - wasting precious frag collecting time, often my damage doesn't register on my opponent shields or I can't see them.
There's no way to tell a hacker right now, at least I can't do it.

 

[feldz]

There is a way to be 99% certain:
If the same player consistently have shield damage, but no hull damage - he is hacking.
If a player kills you twice in a row with seemingly 1/3 hits/time normally required - he is hacking.
If it takes too much hits/time (4x normal) to disable shields on a condor and he is boosting as fast as you are with 4 pips in ENG - he is hacking.

Since there are high certainty cases (and confirmations from hacking forums) anybody with high (above 3.5) Kill/Death ratio is suspect. Watch them closely.
As far as I understand besides "high certainty" cases (just plain dumb hackers) there are more sophisticated ones that adjust their shield/weapons strength and/or energy capacity just a bit..

About ''too fast double kills'' - I often kill same player 2-3 times before my damage boost run out
About ''time to disable shields'' - if he has enhanced boost diverter and engine power distributor and moved pips from sys ton eng for a moment or two - then he might be able to boost 4-5 times without loosing in shields department.
Agree on shield dmg, but no hull damage. Unless network lag crept in at the right moment.

Basically if I play with same people we would probably get same kind of network caused bugs between us no matter what day of the week if is. That of course if we play from same placec every day

 

[Ozram]

Yeah, I have seen some fishy stuff in CQC but haven't let it bother me too much. There was one match where a couple of players on the opposing side would stop taking damage after a certain percentage of their hull was destroyed. I thought they'd logged off and I was just shooting at a dud so turn around to get back into the fray only to see them still there, either shooting at me or someone else. Another disappeared right in front of me (after I unloaded with four pips to weapons until my energy was low) only to reappear halfway across the map. Yeah, I haven't let it bother me but I can imagine the truly competitive players out there would be rightfully miffed especially as there is real money on the line for those who make it into the little group that will be contenders for prizes.
I'll keep playing it from time to time as I find it a nice little change of pace sometimes, but no way am I taking it very seriously.

 

[Makasuro]

Can't say I've experienced anyone hacking first hand, everything has seemed pretty good so far. Will report if I see anything suspicious, so far so good though.

 

[Hekantonkheries]

it aint just that, last night was in a game and TWICE in the game i was killed by a single shot of some giant red flash (wasnt a laser shot, at lest didnt look like one) ship never even registered damage, just saw a red flash go by the side of my cockpit then im dead, and yes, i had 4 pips in shields 2 in engines, because i saw him pulling around behind me and wanted to prep until i could get behind a roid to turn and fight

was the same guy twice, know he didnt have the weapon upgrade because the buddy i was playing with had just picked it up and the upgrade stations were nowehere near where we were on the map

not saying anyones hacking, but it seems like soemtimes CQC isnt registering something right

 

[kossack]

Red flash is from the canons. That is normal, but it should take ~2-3 double hits to kill 4-pips even with power up. Without -more like 4... So you probably right to suspect hacking..

Just my 2 cents...

it aint just that, last night was in a game and TWICE in the game i was killed by a single shot of some giant red flash (wasnt a laser shot, at lest didnt look like one) ship never even registered damage, just saw a red flash go by the side of my cockpit then im dead, and yes, i had 4 pips in shields 2 in engines, because i saw him pulling around behind me and wanted to prep until i could get behind a roid to turn and fight

was the same guy twice, know he didnt have the weapon upgrade because the buddy i was playing with had just picked it up and the upgrade stations were nowehere near where we were on the map

not saying anyones hacking, but it seems like soemtimes CQC isnt registering something right

 

[kossack]

If somebody from Frontier is reading this, take a look: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/223450/osdi2014-haven.pdf
(and delete this post after reading

 

[Makasuro]

I'm almost on my 3rd prestige, with over 3400 kills and over 4 days of playtime overall and I haven't seen anyone that I would suspect of hacking yet.

 

[kossack]

I'm almost on my 3rd prestige, with over 3400 kills and over 4 days of playtime overall and I haven't seen anyone that I would suspect of hacking yet.

I've collected a list.. 4 hackers I am sure about (infinite shields/hulls, etc.) and about a dozen with high probability (weapons too powerful without power-up, boosting all the time while firing lasers non-stop, not needed heatsinks after firing non-stop for a minute, etc.)
Also, I am sure you have a "feel of how good your opponent is" and can compare it with K/D ratio. Kind of suspicious to see a player with K/D=8, rankj 42 who is clearly not flying that good. These just suspects..
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[Shaamaan]

I know that the P2P networking can definitely produce strange results. I've already posted about my experiences here...

 

[Frenotx]

I just got out of like, 5 matches with this one guy who's shield took literally 0 damage. Several people were firing on him at once, and his shield stayed at 100%. Thankfully he was a terrible pilot so only won one of those matches, but he was pretty clearly cheating.

 

[kossack]

I just got out of like, 5 matches with this one guy who's shield took literally 0 damage. Several people were firing on him at once, and his shield stayed at 100%. Thankfully he was a terrible pilot so only won one of those matches, but he was pretty clearly cheating.

Report if you can...
But of course FD made it extra difficult to report while in CQC. I wonder why.. (And to FD moderatos, I know, I am not supposed to ask questions like that - delete this message too if you feel offended..)

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Since there are high certainty cases (and confirmations from hacking forums) anybody with high (above 3.5) Kill/Death ratio is suspect. Watch them closely. .

Much of what you say makes sense but this one is a sad affair and sums up a problem with pc gaming. If I meet a player like this the 1st thought should be that guy is good not that guy is probably a cheat. It's the main advantage of consoles imo.

It's damn annoying. Since kick off 2 on the Amiga (i considered entering tournaments) I have never been especially good at MP games and am used to being in the bottom half of any table...... But CQC in ED I am fairly good at it it seems. Damn shame that my reward for the 1 game mode iii a game I do not suck at where I play PvP some people will just assume I am a cheat

I cheat as much as anyone from time to time in single player games but doing it in MP is scummy

Some have said ramming is a cheat too. I disagree here. Even in the proper game When in active combat (note the active combat) you do what it takes . generally i fly the condor in CQC so not usually an option for me, but even then it can be.

If I am in a sidewinder and you are jousting me in a condor with no shields , or if I have full shields but guns have over heated and we are fighting I will ram if it may give me an edge. This isn't Queensbury rules, its cage fighting with NO rules imo and I will scratch, bite and kick you in the nuts if it stops me from being destroyed

(But like Meatloaf..... I won't cheat)

 

[MercenaryThorrn]

I just got out of like, 5 matches with this one guy who's shield took literally 0 damage. Several people were firing on him at once, and his shield stayed at 100%. Thankfully he was a terrible pilot so only won one of those matches, but he was pretty clearly cheating.

Saw someone similar in a match last Tuesday.
Reported it here with video - https://support.frontier.co.uk/open.php?topic=37
Shadow play is great to grab video if you have it. Still report though even of you dont have video. More that do the better.

That possible hacker was the first I have seen in a lot of games. So rare it is not worth stressing over.

 

[Frenotx]

Saw someone similar in a match last Tuesday.
Reported it here with video - https://support.frontier.co.uk/open.php?topic=37
Shadow play is great to grab video if you have it. Still report though even of you dont have video. More that do the better.

That possible hacker was the first I have seen in a lot of games. So rare it is not worth stressing over.

Unfortunately, my recording solution was misbehaving at the time (so sick of ati). Out of curiosity, was the commander in question's name a common word, but spelled with one f instead of two?

The cheating commander was present in about half of the games I played yesterday. Despite the fact that they only won one of them, it was still getting pretty old. In addition, something went wrong during the first game they were not present in that made it impossible for me to be credited with a kill. If I fought someone one-on-one and killed them, they'd just die, and nobody would get credit. If anyone else had fired on them at one point (even if they'd long since been shot down), then they would get credit for the kill. It was pretty frustrating.

 

[BEKTOP 3APEMOB]

As game puts me with low skill players 99% of the time lately, I get a lot of matches such as this:
[video=youtube;He1xsP6KboY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He1xsP6KboY[/video]
I think many noobs would feel like I'm cheating, or have unlocked some dangerous weapons and shields

 

[MercenaryThorrn]

Unfortunately, my recording solution was misbehaving at the time (so sick of ati). Out of curiosity, was the commander in question's name a common word, but spelled with one f instead of two?

The cheating commander was present in about half of the games I played yesterday. Despite the fact that they only won one of them, it was still getting pretty old. In addition, something went wrong during the first game they were not present in that made it impossible for me to be credited with a kill. If I fought someone one-on-one and killed them, they'd just die, and nobody would get credit. If anyone else had fired on them at one point (even if they'd long since been shot down), then they would get credit for the kill. It was pretty frustrating.

Sounds like a different one.
I almost wish I could hide the CMDRs name and post the video up in fact.
By the end of the match the CMDR realised I was following them around.
They started to hide in the structures around the map and tried to avoid combat.
Left the lobby as soon as the match was over too.
Felt like a caught a kid with his hand in the cookie jar and they kept denying it even as crumbs covered their face.
I got a quick look at stats before they left.
Clearly they had not always used the hack and hopefully a quick warning email from Frontier scares them back to playing without it.