Its the Kamzel group we use for Distant Worlds. The video was made yesterday so there is no one online there now.
Dr. Kaii and myself will be making more videos like it leading up to the event though so keep an eye out for volunteer pilots
Distant Worlds - A journey beyond the Abyss
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Its the Kamzel group we use for Distant Worlds. The video was made yesterday so there is no one online there now.
Dr. Kaii and myself will be making more videos like it leading up to the event though so keep an eye out for volunteer pilots
Its the Kamzel group we use for Distant Worlds. The video was made yesterday so there is no one online there now.
Dr. Kaii and myself will be making more videos like it leading up to the event though so keep an eye out for volunteer pilots
That's too bad. You were close enough at the moment for me to be able to turn around and do a quick meet up.
Hello, I'm considering joining the expedition as well. My husband has already joined up.
I like the idea of a support role and helping out. Is there a need for a fuel rat? Are there any other support roles that are in demand?
I'm considering either an ASP or a Hauler.
I'm currently saving up anyway for an ASP to use as a second ship in order to explore. I fly a Diamondback Scout with the best quality components that I can find so I could sell that to get something better. I use the Diamondback for combat at resource extraction sites. I currently have 17 million spare CR but there's plenty of time to get more.
I don't yet have Horizons. I was going to wait to see if the price comes down after Christmas. 2*40GBP is too expensive at the moment.
I like the idea of a support role and helping out. Is there a need for a fuel rat? Are there any other support roles that are in demand?
I'm considering either an ASP or a Hauler.
I'm currently saving up anyway for an ASP to use as a second ship in order to explore. I fly a Diamondback Scout with the best quality components that I can find so I could sell that to get something better. I use the Diamondback for combat at resource extraction sites. I currently have 17 million spare CR but there's plenty of time to get more.
I don't yet have Horizons. I was going to wait to see if the price comes down after Christmas. 2*40GBP is too expensive at the moment.
This is where we need a family discount deal
2 questionsIts the Kamzel group we use for Distant Worlds. The video was made yesterday so there is no one online there now.
Dr. Kaii and myself will be making more videos like it leading up to the event though so keep an eye out for volunteer pilots
1. Do groups allow high res screenies?
2. I think I requested access to the Kamzel group, but won't be the first time I'm mistaken
Ok, that's a lot more optimised than my fast-jumping. After I'm done with the various bits I always boost away from the star until the temp is below 50% before engaging the FSD. I guess I'll get plenty of practice at improving soon!
I'm bucking the trend with a 64t tank
I have a test run of exactly 1000LY - Founders World to M7 SECTOR LS-T D3-15
My fastest journey times for this run in an Asp with an A6 fuel scoop are:
with 16T fuel tank, and 30 jumps, 28 minutes.
with 64T fuel tank, and 35 jumps, 25 minutes.
These are both easily within the usual range of travelling about 2K LY per hour and could probably be improved slightly, as I wasnt racing too hard.
BTW I never start the next FSD above 60% heat, which is usually the point the scoop disengages anyway.
But why is a big tank faster, even though it has more jumps ?
Basically, as other people have noted, it's because it takes significant time to get the fuel scoop up to full rate. If you scoop often into a small tank, you hardly ever get the scoop up to max. People have used this as a reason for going with smaller scoops, but that isn't the whole story.
With a 64t tank, I only had one concerted scoop up to full, which took over a minute, but that was consistently at the max rate. Scoops also occur incidentally whilst turning to face the next jump target, and these act as top-ups.
This also occurs with a small tank, of course, but your primary concern there is often scooping, not turning.
With a large tank your immediate priority is to turn to the next target star, without having to worry about, or check, whether it scoopable or not. This reduces the job to turning, scanning and waiting for the FSD to cool down, all of course at the same time.
I haven't tried the run in an anaconda because the turn rate to the next target is so slow, I gave up exploring in it long ago.
My preferred exploring method is to choose an interesting destination and get there asap. I think this will fit with Distant Worlds quite well, there wont be time for dawdling.
Of course, with 64t over a 16t tank, you will also get 16% more exploration credits simply by scanning more systems.
I would be interested in other peoples' view on this and if you decide to do the 1KLY run above to post your results.
There is a very well endowed HMCW at the far end.
PPS The above begs the question about the standard 32T tank.
Well, it takes an hour to get there and back, and in the past 3 hours I have been unable to get a clean run in.
Mostly due to hyperspace jumps taking far longer than usual - probably server slow down issues, and a couple of times where the plotter has lost the plot (!) and I had to re-enter the destination.
All these things have negated the test. However, I did get close to finishing on one occasion, and the time was on track to be about 27 minutes.
The experience is that you can totally ignore scooping when the tank is above half full, but below that you need to be aware. In total it needed 4 full scoops apart from the usual top-ups.
My conclusion is that a 32t is perfectly ok, but I prefer 64t just to simplify the turn-scan-fsd method, and I'd rather have that than either a extra FMU/cargo/extra SRV, even though I really did want to take some beer.
I have a test run of exactly 1000LY - Founders World to M7 SECTOR LS-T D3-15
My fastest journey times for this run in an Asp with an A6 fuel scoop are:
with 16T fuel tank, and 30 jumps, 28 minutes.
with 64T fuel tank, and 35 jumps, 25 minutes.
These are both easily within the usual range of travelling about 2K LY per hour and could probably be improved slightly, as I wasnt racing too hard.
BTW I never start the next FSD above 60% heat, which is usually the point the scoop disengages anyway.
But why is a big tank faster, even though it has more jumps ?
Basically, as other people have noted, it's because it takes significant time to get the fuel scoop up to full rate. If you scoop often into a small tank, you hardly ever get the scoop up to max. People have used this as a reason for going with smaller scoops, but that isn't the whole story.
With a 64t tank, I only had one concerted scoop up to full, which took over a minute, but that was consistently at the max rate. Scoops also occur incidentally whilst turning to face the next jump target, and these act as top-ups.
This also occurs with a small tank, of course, but your primary concern there is often scooping, not turning.
With a large tank your immediate priority is to turn to the next target star, without having to worry about, or check, whether it scoopable or not. This reduces the job to turning, scanning and waiting for the FSD to cool down, all of course at the same time.
I haven't tried the run in an anaconda because the turn rate to the next target is so slow, I gave up exploring in it long ago.
My preferred exploring method is to choose an interesting destination and get there asap. I think this will fit with Distant Worlds quite well, there wont be time for dawdling.
Of course, with 64t over a 16t tank, you will also get 16% more exploration credits simply by scanning more systems.
I would be interested in other peoples' view on this and if you decide to do the 1KLY run above to post your results.
There is a very well endowed HMCW at the far end.
PPS The above begs the question about the standard 32T tank.
Well, it takes an hour to get there and back, and in the past 3 hours I have been unable to get a clean run in.
Mostly due to hyperspace jumps taking far longer than usual - probably server slow down issues, and a couple of times where the plotter has lost the plot (!) and I had to re-enter the destination.
All these things have negated the test. However, I did get close to finishing on one occasion, and the time was on track to be about 27 minutes.
The experience is that you can totally ignore scooping when the tank is above half full, but below that you need to be aware. In total it needed 4 full scoops apart from the usual top-ups.
My conclusion is that a 32t is perfectly ok, but I prefer 64t just to simplify the turn-scan-fsd method, and I'd rather have that than either a extra FMU/cargo/extra SRV, even though I really did want to take some beer.
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Please tell me you drove up there
Funny you should post this, as last night I downgraded my Asp's tank to a 16T and did a 1K ly run myself to see how it felt. Then afterwards I put my 32T tank back and did the same run. I noticed three things similar to your own observations:
1) the small tank sure does fill up fast
2) each jump sure does take a huge chunk out of the tank's fuel, was disconcerting at first, lol
3) I had to scoop much more often, and the spool up time did seem to "waste" time
My times for the runs, which were from HR 6421 to WREDGUIA YL-E B53-1, were:
30 minutes with the 16T tank
28 minutes with the 32T tank
It surprised me honestly, because it FELT faster with the smaller tank and it did take less jumps, but my stopwatch said otherwise. Like you I think the scoop spool up time is the reason. Having to scoop less often, but keeping the scoop at max rate for longer periods of time, makes up the difference I guess. The longer jumps do mean you have to jump less often, but that time seems to be eaten up by the scoop spooling up.
I've decided I'm taking the stock 32T with me to Beagle. I just feel safer with the added safety factor, and the jump range doesn't seem to be much advantage to me overall speed-traveling wise.
I think it's time to run this fuel tank test for myself. Up until now I've been adamantly against ever equipping extra fuel tanks, because of the way they're bugged to cripple your jump range even when they're empty. But where I seem to lose the most time in the Conda is in anything that requires me to reorient and maneuver in SC. With the Asp it was no trouble at all to smoothly scoop a bit whilst maneuvering to the next jump--the Conda's a bit less flexible about that.
I've been wondering what to do with the two extra class 5 slots I have to spare, and had been going to fill them with cargo space to use the economy slider. But if slapping on two 32t tanks will result in a faster overall time even with more jumps... well, that's something to consider.
Laden with 16t of limpets, my current build has a full-tank range of 34.63 LY; empty and on fumes she can do 36.96. With 96t of fuel, that drops to 31.45 laden--ouch. Normally I'd never consider that, especially for this trip. But I'm finding that J1 boosts are actually not all that difficult to get once you find a world with Vanadium and Germanium. Even the J1 boost puts me at almost 40 LY.
So yeah, I think I'll do some kylie sprints tonight to test this out. If trading jump range for less scoop time ends up being faster overall, that just might change the meta for me.
I've been wondering what to do with the two extra class 5 slots I have to spare, and had been going to fill them with cargo space to use the economy slider. But if slapping on two 32t tanks will result in a faster overall time even with more jumps... well, that's something to consider.
Laden with 16t of limpets, my current build has a full-tank range of 34.63 LY; empty and on fumes she can do 36.96. With 96t of fuel, that drops to 31.45 laden--ouch. Normally I'd never consider that, especially for this trip. But I'm finding that J1 boosts are actually not all that difficult to get once you find a world with Vanadium and Germanium. Even the J1 boost puts me at almost 40 LY.
So yeah, I think I'll do some kylie sprints tonight to test this out. If trading jump range for less scoop time ends up being faster overall, that just might change the meta for me.
Please tell me you drove up there
and then slapped on some ski's...
I prefer jumping a lot and then take a short break near a star to refuel my tank to full. That way you not only filled your tank again but also filled your drinks. Then again I've never rushed systems before like we'll be doing on the journey.
~I'm a relaxed explorer not a jumpy one ;3
~I'm a relaxed explorer not a jumpy one ;3
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2 questions
1. Do groups allow high res screenies?
2. I think I requested access to the Kamzel group, but won't be the first time I'm mistaken
I haven't got a group join request from you so you will have to resend it.
Not sure about sceenshots, I think you have to drop into solo mode when you want to take high res ones :S
My favorite sport ! These are some of the best slopes I've ever seen.
Mind you when you find a totally GREEN world, you'll think you're in golfing heaven. You can even see where the grass has been cut with the stripes on the ground.
Will have a look as soon as I can get in...
They absolutely do! It's only open that doesn't allow it.
I'm already in Expedition mode: I prospect in anaconda to train even if in the bubble a simple cobra mk3 would be 300% more efficient and fun, and i avoid any suicidal intention. Also that system is Children of Raxxla territory, I don't know a thing about them, a good reason to not mess with their mountains...Please tell me you drove up there
Please be civil in our home system. Salomè is watching ...
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