UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Meta-Alloys
'Find the Meta; find the Barnacle'


1) Buy it
2) Loot it from and NPC that's carrying it
3) Scoop it from salvageable wrecks or the occasional WSS
4) Mine it from asteroids
5) Loot it from fragments obtained from blowing up mining extractors on planetary surfaces.
6) Found in/at the Barnacle structure


More info on my mining expedition last night:

-All of the mined materials were standard. I did not find any MetA
-I mined at several of the asteroid belt clusters located next to Merope (star)
-I mined in the rings of 2-3 of the 5 merope planets
-I mined the RES site in Maia


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Interesting. But IF the meta-alloys were related to the UA, AND they were something that could be mined... doesn't it make as much, if not more, sense to try mining them in the UA shell rather than the centre?
 
Sweet! Were you successful? Was it actually stronger?

Should I do that project with my 5yr old for "Science Sundays?!?" :p


Aside: "Stronger" is usually a misnomer with metals, as it all depends on what you're using it for. Something can be harder, and less likely to wear than another material, while having a lower tensile strength.
 
Sweet! Were you successful? Was it actually stronger?

Should I do that project with my 5yr old for "Science Sundays?!?" :p

It was not successful. We managed to turn titanium hydride powder back into pure titanium, but it was non-porous. I had some ideas about using salt as a placeholder during heating, but I never got to try it. And when I say "low temperatures" I mean about 800 Celsius, which is low for titanium. Probably not good for "science sundays" since we also had to use an argon atmosphere to avoid oxidation during heating. However, there are a bunch of videos on the internet about making aluminum foam which you could possibly do yourself (be careful: molten aluminum can ruin your day).

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Aside: "Stronger" is usually a misnomer with metals, as it all depends on what you're using it for. Something can be harder, and less likely to wear than another material, while having a lower tensile strength.

Totally right. Titanium foam is lightweight, and has good tensile strength and a melting temp of like 1600 C. It's used in aircraft for insulation, and in biomed applications as a scaffold for bone to grow through. It actually sounds very similar in description to the meta-alloy.
 
We might want to be somewhat cautious in dealing with him, though. We don't know his background, his agenda, anything really, we're just taking his word for it. It might prove foolish to be so trusting.

Not suggesting we be openly hostile, but, well, we're open about our research, methods, and even our own different goals and internal disagreements; we've offered to partner with Palin and been rebuffed. There's a reason he's rebuffing us. I'm not sure I fully trust him.

Granted, from a metagame point of view, it's likely that he's FD's mouthpiece. But again, we're taking that on faith. And then again, with an eye to metagaming, what's a story without a little conflict? :)

He disagreed with our ad hoc method of experimentation, stating something along the lines of 'we need to know what they are before we start doing stuff with them'

As a community we promptly started selling them everywhere, showcasing our commodities and tech at them etc. Now there's a correlation between where they have been sold and malfunctions.

Palin now want to study them away from populated space.

I kinda agree he could be up to anything but at the same time he's the only 'person' that can actually study these. Our options are limited to moving, selling and shooting them (ok I simplified that a little) but conventional science is by and large beyond us.
 
We might want to be somewhat cautious in dealing with him, though. We don't know his background, his agenda, anything really, we're just taking his word for it. It might prove foolish to be so trusting.

Not suggesting we be openly hostile, but, well, we're open about our research, methods, and even our own different goals and internal disagreements; we've offered to partner with Palin and been rebuffed. There's a reason he's rebuffing us. I'm not sure I fully trust him.

Granted, from a metagame point of view, it's likely that he's FD's mouthpiece. But again, we're taking that on faith. And then again, with an eye to metagaming, what's a story without a little conflict? :)

He's FD's mouthpiece, huh?

Ishmael > Mishael > Michael.

Very strange :p
 
It was not successful. We managed to turn titanium hydride powder back into pure titanium, but it was non-porous. I had some ideas about using salt as a placeholder during heating, but I never got to try it. And when I say "low temperatures" I mean about 800 Celsius, which is low for titanium. Probably not good for "science sundays" since we also had to use an argon atmosphere to avoid oxidation during heating. However, there are a bunch of videos on the internet about making aluminum foam which you could possibly do yourself (be careful: molten aluminum can ruin your day).

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Totally right. Titanium foam is lightweight, and has good tensile strength and a melting temp of like 1600 C. It's used in aircraft for insulation, and in biomed applications as a scaffold for bone to grow through. It actually sounds very similar in description to the meta-alloy.

Argon atmosphere you say...? aren't planet listed as Argon Rich? The cool part about this is that there is a ton of science behind this and stuff that can be found/researched in game.

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He's FD's mouthpiece, huh?

Ishmael > Mishael > Michael.

Very strange :p


I doubt it.. He wouldn't be flying a T7..


It's a bit... BUGGY

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It was not successful. We managed to turn titanium hydride powder back into pure titanium, but it was non-porous. I had some ideas about using salt as a placeholder during heating, but I never got to try it. And when I say "low temperatures" I mean about 800 Celsius, which is low for titanium. Probably not good for "science sundays" since we also had to use an argon atmosphere to avoid oxidation during heating. However, there are a bunch of videos on the internet about making aluminum foam which you could possibly do yourself (be careful: molten aluminum can ruin your day).

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Totally right. Titanium foam is lightweight, and has good tensile strength and a melting temp of like 1600 C. It's used in aircraft for insulation, and in biomed applications as a scaffold for bone to grow through. It actually sounds very similar in description to the meta-alloy.

But you can totally smelt aluminum with out to much investment in safety materials or heating elements. You can melt aluminum down at relatively easily achieved temps (1200F, 660C), and cast it in sand molds.



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Probably stating the obvious, but these UAs do look a bit like small Ocellus starports, don't they? Especially the the resemblance with Obsidian Orbital (almost same color scheme even) is a nice touch.
 
Argon atmosphere you say...? aren't planet listed as Argon Rich? The cool part about this is that there is a ton of science behind this and stuff that can be found/researched in game.
Inert gas atmosphers or vacuums are a must when dealing with metals at high temps like that other wise oxidation sets in immedietly.

Welding-

TiG - Tungston Inert Gas welding. (nonconsumable) Tungston electrode, argon is a commonly used inert gas, or Mig (consumable) wire as the electrode, and shielding gas (also commonly argon, helium, or C02).

Stick/SMAW - Shielded Metal Arc Welding - the "flux (powdery stuff on the outside of the stick)" vaporizes and creates an atmosphere around the molten metal.


Heat treating used to require a hydrogen atmosphere to prevent oxidation, though now we just use vacuums.
 
Interesting. But IF the meta-alloys were related to the UA, AND they were something that could be mined... doesn't it make as much, if not more, sense to try mining them in the UA shell rather than the centre?

Someone posted a few pages back that made it seem like the UA's were being referenced as the "large barnacles" in the description and the "certain region of space" could mean the UA shell. It seems like as good a theory as any to try to find the alloy in the shell. Maybe floating naturally in certain types of POI or in asteroids/rings.

Although, if the shell is expanding, and maybe the UAs leave these things behind, perhaps we should be looking at the systems where free floaters were found in 1.3. Does anyone have that list handy? I'd be happy to check some of those systems out this weekend.
 
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But you can totally smelt aluminum with out to much investment in safety materials or heating elements. You can melt aluminum down at relatively easily achieved temps (1200F, 660C), and cast it in sand molds.
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Not sure my wife is going to approve :/

On another note. I think MetA is going to look like this in-game: :)

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Inert gas atmosphers or vacuums are a must when dealing with metals at high temps like that other wise oxidation sets in immedietly.

Welding-

TiG - Tungston Inert Gas welding. (nonconsumable) Tungston electrode, argon is a commonly used inert gas, or Mig (consumable) wire as the electrode, and shielding gas (also commonly argon, helium, or C02).

Stick/SMAW - Shielded Metal Arc Welding - the "flux (powdery stuff on the outside of the stick)" vaporizes and creates an atmosphere around the molten metal.


Heat treating used to require a hydrogen atmosphere to prevent oxidation, though now we just use vacuums.

+ REP kind sir always wondered about Mig vs Tig welding since it's big in my other hobbies and I never took up welding.
 
I am currently at Nelson Works for the CG. Due to a lack of horizons trade data, I cant find a good place to get evacuation shelters from. You guys got any good stations?
 
Someone posted a few pages back that made it seem like the UA's were being referenced as the "large barnacles" in the description and the "certain region of space" could mean the UA shell. It seems like as good a theory as any to try to find the alloy in the shell. Maybe floating naturally in certain types of POI or in asteroids/rings.

Although, if the shell is expanding, and maybe the UAs leave these things behind, perhaps we should be looking at the systems where free floaters were found in 1.3. Does anyone have that list handy? I'd be happy to check some of those systems out this weekend.


I'm not disputing the theory, in fact I'm currently searching the shell in a mining-conda to see if I can find anything :D. I was just trying to share additional thoughts on the idea.
 
Not sure my wife is going to approve :/

On another note. I think MetA is going to look like this in-game: :)

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I don't know if we'll get to see the actual crystal structure of the meta-alloys, but yeah that's on the right track. The next big step for metallurgical sciences is going to be controlling the micro-structure of the metal like that on a macro scale, vs random grain growth.

+ REP kind sir always wondered about Mig vs Tig welding since it's big in my other hobbies and I never took up welding.

MiG is more of an industrial approach. Easy to do, simple point and click interface. The wire is the electrode/filler metal and is spooled from the actual welder box through the gun.

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Vs Tig welding, where the electrode is a non-consumable tungston rod, and the filler metal is usually a small rod held in the other hand and inserted into the arc. This is a much slower, far more precise method. Less batch production, more special task.

Aluminum and titanium are a massive PITA to weld and require TiG.

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I am currently at Nelson Works for the CG. Due to a lack of horizons trade data, I cant find a good place to get evacuation shelters from. You guys got any good stations?

I just saw them at Maia in high supply. But bit out of your way I guess ;). Which begs the question why Palin doesn't just get them there...
 
I am currently at Nelson Works for the CG. Due to a lack of horizons trade data, I cant find a good place to get evacuation shelters from. You guys got any good stations?

yep try LHS 350 checking for more will have guide up for this CG soon
 
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