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I pull the xyz data from EDdiscovery - which I think gets it from the EDDB... basically a collection of player triangulated systems ...

What I meant was, how did you get the names of the systems that the Antares had visited prior to its disappearance?
 
Doh! Missed that.

So, according to the CG, those are not the systems the Antares visited prior to disappearing, but "extrapolated from its last known trajectory". So I'm guessing what that really means is "Systems that the Antares could have jumped to from Sirius (I think that was the departing point) based on the ship jump range if it had kept its original heading. What I'm not sure of is if the original heading has ever been undisclosed anywhere. I haven't been able to find any information on that by searching through galnet and the wiki.

Edit: That being said, being that the Antares was built by Sirius Corp, and that they are the ones issuing the search mission, it makes sense that they would know the Antares planned route even if no one else does. And therefore they could extrapolate based on that.

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Maybe your ISP caching things? Or maybe Frontier's servers not synched up?

https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLU2FVam1oNk9NekE

Kinda weird Sirius pushing this, wasn't it suspected they were involved rather than it being an "accident", or am I confusing that with the Spaceflight One disappearance.
Not so weird considering that the Antares was their creation. From galnet news (22 DEC 3301):

"3251 is remembered chiefly for the disappearance of the Antares, a technologically revolutionary passenger liner designed and built by the Sirius Corporation. The ship was supposed to usher in a new age in interplanetary travel, but the loss of the vessel during its maiden voyage tarnished the reputation of the Sirius Corporation and stalled the company's plans to develop further superfast liners."

So it makes sense the would be trying to figure out what went wrong.

Here's a link to the full article: https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/56795df09657ba9552349a85
 
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Of possible interest, given that morse code is part of the UA mystery (not my discovery).




http://i.imgur.com/9E3sCOL.jpg

Source: Morse code message in Sol Newspaper


According to Jackie Silver, the person who found it, the text is "freighter under pirate attack, we've gone down on Charon at -45(S), -80(W)."

Here's full translation I made:
MAYDAY. THIS IS TRANSPORT 8629 MAYDAY. WEVE BEEN ATTACKED BY PIRATES AND WERE GOING DOWN. ALL HANDS HAVE EVACUATED. OWR POSITION IS SOL, CAHRON, LATITUDE -45, LONGITUDE -80 THIS IS CAPTAIN BROOTAS SIGNING OFF. I REPEAT, WERE GOING DOWN. MAYDAY. ...MESSAGE ENDS...

-- .- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/- .... .. .../.. .../- .-. .- -. ... .--.
--- .-. -/---.. -.... ..--- ----./-- .- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/
.-- . ...- ./-... . . -./.- - - .- -.-. -.- . -../-... -.--/.--. ..
.-. .- - . .../.- -. -../.-- . .-. ./--. --- .. -. --./-.. --- .--
-. .-.-.-/.- .-.. .-../.... .- -. -.. .../.... .- ...- ./. ...- .- -.-.
..- .- - . -.. .-.-.-/--- .-- .-./.--. --- ... .. - .. --- -./.. .../
... --- .-.. --..--/-.-. .- .... .-. --- -. --..--/.-.. .- - .. - ..- -..
./-....- ....- ..... --..--/.-.. --- -. --. .. - ..- -.. ./-....- ---..
----- - .... .. .../.. ... -.-. .- .--. - .- .. -./-... .-. --- --- -
.- .../... .. --. -. .. -. --./--- ..-. ..-. .-.-.- ../.-. . .--. . .- -
--..--/.-- . .-. ./--. --- .. -. --./-.. --- .-- -. .-.-.-/--
.- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/.-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- -- . ... ... .- --. ./.
-. -.. ... .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.-
 
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I have a question for the experienced explorers here:

I'm halfway between Merope and California Nebula, still inside the UA spawning shell, and I'm seeing a nice small light brown bubble round nebula in the sky, I'm not able to locate on the GalMap. I remember finding it in the past, but I don't remember the name.
Could anyone be so kind to tell me its name? I'd like to pay a visit...
Thanks!
 
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...freighter under pirate attack, we've gone down on Charon at -45(S), -80(W)

Here's full translation I made:

MAYDAY. THIS IS TRANSPORT 8629 MAYDAY. WEVE BEEN ATTACKED BY PIRATES AND WERE GOING DOWN. ALL HANDS HAVE EVACUATED. OWR POSITION IS SOL, CAHRON, LATITUDE -45, LONGITUDE -80 THIS IS CAPTAIN BROOTAS SIGNING OFF. I REPEAT, WERE GOING DOWN. MAYDAY. ...MESSAGE ENDS...

Not trying to muddy the water, but if I remember right, 'default' for Lat/Long is Northings and Eastings. So LAT -45 LONG -80 is 45S 80W, not -45S, -80W. That would be 45N, 80E.
 
Hello

I'm sure this has been commented already, but throwing it in here just in case... I definitely didn't read the whole thread here to check...


Pleiades
Half sisters of the Hyades. Seven sisters converted into stars by Artemis to protect them from Orion.

Merope
The youngest daughter of the Pleiades, and often called the “lost Pleiad”. She was the only one to marry a mortal, thus becoming one herself and lived on the island Chios. She was attacked by Orion.

Orion
The great hunter, slayer of animals. Pursued by Mother Earth with a giant scorpion after he threatened to kill all animals on Earth. Blinded by Oenopion after he attempted to attack Merope. He pursued the Pleiades, amazed by their beauty. After the Pleiades where converted into stars, Zeus made Orion into a constellation so he could keep on pursuing them in the sky.
In some cultures the Orion Constellation is seen as the home of the demons.​



Now I know that the connection with Greek Mythology has been done before, although I think to remember that it was discarded with the thought that Thargoids don't have any reference to this. But it is very strange in my opinion that out of 400 billion stars, Merope is the chosen one.

Merope is between the Pleiades the only one that became mortal, thus represents in my mind humanity better than anyone.

The star Merope seems to be a relay for the UA's, be it to send or to receive, so it is plausible to think that there has to be another star somewhere sending and receiving as well, basically the counterpart.

Orion has a direct mythological connection to the Pleiades, especially to Merope. The Pleiades is basically between the bubble and Orion (more so Orion Dark Region). It would make sense for having the relay between the receiver and your target, and would not make sense to have it on the other side of the bubble, so basically Orion lies in the right quadrant.

Someone said that you can't see stars in the barnacle's images, and thus there might be a dark region nearby (Orion Dark Region?).



So, these are my thoughts. I don't want to throw anyone off track in case this is crap, so decompose and destroy it if needed be.

Regards
 
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Merope is between the Pleiades the only one that became mortal, thus represents in my mind humanity better than anyone.

The star Merope seems to be a relay for the UA's, be it to send or to receive, so it is plausible to think that there has to be another star somewhere sending and receiving as well, basically the counterpart.

Orion has a direct mythological connection to the Pleiades, especially to Merope. The Pleiades is basically between the bubble and Orion (more so Orion Dark Region). It would make sense for having the relay between the receiver and your target, and would not make sense to have it on the other side of the bubble, so basically Orion lies in the right quadrant.

Someone said that you can't see stars in the barnacle's images, and thus there might be a dark region nearby (Orion Dark Region?).



So, these are my thoughts. I don't want to throw anyone off track in case this is crap, so decompose and destroy it if needed be.

Regards

Yes discussed, but interesting your conclusions.
You'd be happy to know that Orion is where I'm slowly heading since Horizons launch ;)
 
While I am still some pages behind I want to take a moment to skip all those pages in order to contribute to SCIENCE!

I wanted to test the idea whether or not the UAs still try to turn towards Merope in a planetary environment. As this is difficult to determin when simply jettisoning the UA, as it's lying on the ground, I figured a drop test on a Low G world would be a good idea.
I apologize if I have missed a similar test done previously.

I have done two SRV jumps using a dune as a ramp and two vertical launches in the SRV, each time dropping the UA while several meters above the ground. From what I can tell it appears that the UA is indeed trying to rotate to point towards Merope, as the UA seemed to stop rotating and hold it's orientation before hitting the ground. I have no idea what this information might be useful for, but it's 100% organic SRV science, so it's good. I am planning to do at least one verification round, possibly dropping it from my ship from a higher altitude.
Sadly I cannot provide any video for this at the moment. My own video stutters heavily for some reason and the video "my camera man" recorded contains his conversations with his son, so I don't wanna go around sharing the link with the whole world. But if someone's keen to see a video I can cut out the relevant portions, mute the sound and upload tonight.

I could also use this opportunity to share some information about the Unknown Artefacts, as the Commander who helped me do the camera hadn't seen one in-game before. We finally let it expire in space so that he can enjoy the full show, including the Haunting Scream of UA Doom (TM).

By the way: I hereby propose a new sport: UA Tossing.
Well, maybe not with UAs. Some cheap commodity will do as well I guess. But maybe a big test of commodity flight properties would be in order first. ;-)
 
While I am still some pages behind I want to take a moment to skip all those pages in order to contribute to SCIENCE!

I wanted to test the idea whether or not the UAs still try to turn towards Merope in a planetary environment. As this is difficult to determin when simply jettisoning the UA, as it's lying on the ground, I figured a drop test on a Low G world would be a good idea.
I apologize if I have missed a similar test done previously.

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Yes, it was already done, by Vasious I think, the very first day after launch.
BTW, is always good to have a confirmation!
Thanks for the effort CMDR!
 
Yes, it was already done, by Vasious I think, the very first day after launch.
BTW, is always good to have a confirmation!
Thanks for the effort CMDR!
Thanks for the info. Either way, jumping around in the SRV is always good fun. :)
And the added benefit of introducing another Commander to the wonderful world of the Unknown Artefact made it all worthwhile as well.
 
Yes, it was my secret location.

Huh. Good spot. That would be a very glaring oversight imo, but one at least that could be "explained away". Maybe I could try again with a station with a commodities market, but I don't know if I want to do this experiment again. Given my previous two lengthy posts about this topic, I don't know if I have the stamina to actively work on something (the same thing that achieved nothing before) for a couple weeks only to have all those efforts (ingame and out of game) essentially be ignored, again.

I did some research since this interested me, and I can confirm that every station that went down also has a commodities market. HOWEVER some did not have black markets, leading me to assume that a certain number were probably randomly infections. Perhaps not enough reached criteria to be infected for the devs liking or to simulate that NPCs were also selling them, but perhaps not simulate that well, considering how difficult i'd assume selling a UA to a station without a black market would be.
Is it possible for black markets to be shut down? if so that might explain it, here is a list of the stations affected with no black market:
- Weyn Dock, 64 Arietis
- Korolyov Hub, Arawere
- Carter Port, Rhea

I feel like these stations might lend credence to the theory that the server only monitors stats in station with commodities markets, hence when randomly generating extra stations going down, failed to check for a black market.
 
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Not trying to muddy the water, but if I remember right, 'default' for Lat/Long is Northings and Eastings. So LAT -45 LONG -80 is 45S 80W, not -45S, -80W. That would be 45N, 80E.
I might be wrong. Here's full transcript of Morse in that pic. I made bold the part about long/lat, you can check if I transcribed correctly and then if the translation is correct too:
-- .- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/- .... .. .../.. .../- .-. .- -. ... .--.
--- .-. -/---.. -.... ..--- ----./-- .- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/
.-- . ...- ./-... . . -./.- - - .- -.-. -.- . -../-... -.--/.--. ..
.-. .- - . .../.- -. -../.-- . .-. ./--. --- .. -. --./-.. --- .--
-. .-.-.-/.- .-.. .-../.... .- -. -.. .../.... .- ...- ./. ...- .- -.-.
..- .- - . -.. .-.-.-/--- .-- .-./.--. --- ... .. - .. --- -./.. .../
... --- .-.. --..--/-.-. .- .... .-. --- -. --..-- /.-.. .- - .. - ..- -..
./-....- ....- ..... --..--/.-.. --- -. --. .. - ..- -.. ./-....- ---..
-----/
- .... .. .../.. ... -.-. .- .--. - .- .. -./-... .-. --- --- -
.- .../... .. --. -. .. -. --./--- ..-. ..-. .-.-.- ../.-. . .--. . .- -
--..--/.-- . .-. ./--. --- .. -. --./-.. --- .-- -. .-.-.-/--
.- -.-- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.-/.-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- -- . ... ... .- --. ./.
-. -.. ... .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.-
 
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I have a question for the experienced explorers here:

I'm halfway between Merope and California Nebula, still inside the UA spawning shell, and I'm seeing a nice small light brown bubble round nebula in the sky, I'm not able to locate on the GalMap. I remember finding it in the past, but I don't remember the name.
Could anyone be so kind to tell me its name? I'd like to pay a visit...
Thanks!

I noticed that when flying near the Dark Region in the vicinity.

I thought it was the elephant nebula (or something like that.. elephant trunk?) seen from a distance. Direction seemed about right on first glance.
 
I have a question for the experienced explorers here:

I'm halfway between Merope and California Nebula, still inside the UA spawning shell, and I'm seeing a nice small light brown bubble round nebula in the sky, I'm not able to locate on the GalMap. I remember finding it in the past, but I don't remember the name.
Could anyone be so kind to tell me its name? I'd like to pay a visit...
Thanks!
Is it in the general direction of NGC 7822? Could be the Cave Nebula then.
 
I noticed that when flying near the Dark Region in the vicinity.

I thought it was the elephant nebula (or something like that.. elephant trunk?) seen from a distance. Direction seemed about right on first glance.

Is it in the general direction of NGC 7822? Could be the Cave Nebula then.

Thanks for replying!
I don't know... it's really a yellow/brown bubble very round, and it should be closer than California, because I was not seeing it, when I was far away. Should be very small.
I'll try to target the nebulas you told me, to see if they match. Shame I didn't take a picture, but I will. News will follow later.
Thanks!

PS:
I found this very interesting collection image of all the nebulas here:
http://i.imgur.com/tbYUzFF.jpg
 
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I did some research since this interested me, and I can confirm that every station that went down also has a commodities market. HOWEVER some did not have black markets, leading me to assume that a certain number were probably randomly infections. Perhaps not enough reached criteria to be infected for the devs liking or to simulate that NPCs were also selling them, but perhaps not simulate that well, considering how difficult i'd assume selling a UA to a station without a black market would be.
Is it possible for black markets to be shut down? if so that might explain it, here is a list of the stations affected with no black market:
- Weyn Dock, 64 Arietis
- Korolyov Hub, Arawere
- Carter Port, Rhea

I feel like these stations might lend credence to the theory that the server only monitors stats in station with commodities markets, hence when randomly generating extra stations going down, failed to check for a black market.

Weyn definitely did have a black market - but I don't think it was listed on the databases.

*Every* station that's got malfunctions and has then been shut down had a black market. No exceptions. Promise.
 
I don't have footage of it but way back in the day, before Horizons, I dropped a UA behind the dark side of a planet, so that the planet was between the UA and the only star in the system. So essentially I was using the planet to block the light of the star.

The UA was still visible, and not only the glowy parts, but the whole thing. I think it was a very pale greenish colour. As with many things discussed in this thread I'm not sure if it was a feature (ie: bioluminescence) or a bug (ie: an artist at FD forgot to zero out the ambient channel of the UA texture).

Roger. Thank you for the info.
This is something worth re-testing and especially on the dark side of a planet, in a deep canyon in a single-star system with no nebulae illumination.

Would anyone please take a UA such place of complete darkness with no light source, film it and post it here?
 
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