Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?

indiebob

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The_Quasar said:
One thing always baffled me:

Why do some folk who don't like a game, endlessly knock it on the game forums?

Haven't they got anything better to do, other better (to them) games to play?

I suspect some of the same people may be the gankers who like to kill sideys in starting systems.

Why do they bother?
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If this is aimed at me, or my OP, I have a question: why do people respond to forum posts they obviously haven't read.

Haven't they got anything better to do?

I suspect some of the same people may be the gankers who like to kill sideys in starting systems.

Why do they bother?
 

Salami

Salami
The_Quasar said:
One thing always baffled me:

Why do some folk who don't like a game, endlessly knock it on the game forums?

Haven't they got anything better to do, other better (to them) games to play?

I suspect some of the same people may be the gankers who like to kill sideys in starting systems.

Why do they bother?
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I do (I hope) knock the game down, i try to point out a few "flaws" and hope these will be addressed.
 

CariadocThorne

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Sim Maker said:
It is a very casual game.......I think a lot of "dad" players like to load up Elite at the end of a week, when the wife and kids are safely tucked up in bed or whatever.......man cracks open a beer or three and just cruises around the Galaxy, watching Netflix and chilling.........for that Elite is perfect........
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You just described how I play Dark Souls. Minus the "chilling" part, because dark souls is NOT a game you chill to.

Elite is the game I have fired up ready to go just before I put the kids to bed every day without fail, so I can come back down and get my daily fix for a few hours starting as soon as they are in bed.
 

Boomer Kay

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Salami said:
Where space is a living, vibrant 'entity' almost, where "birth, war and death" is a constant thing, ED is beyong dead, seems.
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That's your vision of space. A theme park built for your amusement. :p

Space is mostly empty. And Life probably pointless.

Well, I got Skyrim (incl. DLCs) at the same time I got Elite.
After about 20 hours "gameplay" (most of them in godmode, actually .. yea, I'm such a cheater :p ) I was Archmage of something (quite immersive as heavy plate wearing hybrid something), the chosen one, killer of countless dwagons, owner of several homes and adopted children, couldn't enter a single village without groups of groupies wanting to mate etc.
That's a "good game".
Keeps them achievements coming.

Feels utterly pointless after 3 decades of RPGs.
 

mrrockitt

mrrockitt
The_Quasar said:
One thing always baffled me:

Why do some folk who don't like a game, endlessly knock it on the game forums?

Haven't they got anything better to do, other better (to them) games to play?

I suspect some of the same people may be the gankers who like to kill sideys in starting systems.

Why do they bother?
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I think that in Forums, as in other areas of life and media, those with a negative opinion always seem to shout louder than those who are positive! Those who like something are more content and therefore less likely to actively push their opinions.

Or so it seems to me :)
 

EUBanana

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Regarding the OP, I play a LOT of games, for a ridiculous number of hours. Wargame: Red Dragon is probably my fave atm and has been for some time (up to about 900 hours played on that one), but over Christmas I've been playing Verdun, Helldivers, Elite Dangerous, Europa Universalis 4, Street Fighter 4, lots of stuff. I would say I'm pretty good at most of those games, so... hardcore? Sounds a bit pretentious but if anybody is I am.

I have tried MMORPGs, including Eve, and have never been able to stand them. I think WoW lasted the longest in that I levelled up a bunch of characters to the level cap, but raiding had 0 appeal so that was that. Elite is the only one I've played for a much longer time, but then its not an MMORPG. It might well be an MMO. It not being an MMORPG is fine. I think the OP is a bit pretentious if he splits gaming into MMORPGs and Dads Games. Lots of people have zero interest in MMO mechanics. I would probably stop playing Elite if the notion of player owned space came up.

For what it's worth I only ever play in Open mode. Seeing the odd commander bumming around doing similar things to me is interaction enough as far as I'm concerned.
 

CariadocThorne

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Salami said:
I do (I hope) knock the game down, i try to point out a few "flaws" and hope these will be addressed.
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But what you see as flaws may be vital parts of the game to others.

As I've said before on these forums, I don't enjoy CoD much, but I don't go on CoD forums complaining about the things I don't like in the hope they'll get "fixed", I just don't play it, and let those who do enjoy it do so without my complaints. Why should they change the game to my tastes when others already like it as it is now?
 

Vasea Azure

Vasea Azure
indiebob said:
Did you miss the bit where I said I just finished dark souls (having finished DkS 2 before that) ... plus I never once mention "hardcore". I bet you probably think hardcore means pong or something else I have no evidence whatsoever of asserting, in fact there's evidence to the contrary but I will say it anyway. Just like you.
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I dont think ppl with replies like that even bothered to read your whole post OP :)
 

Salami

Salami
Boomer Kay said:
That's your vision of space. A theme park built for your amusement. :p

Space is mostly empty. And Life probably pointless.
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Erm...
I must be speaking some unknown language...
I said: Space is a living, vibrant 'entity'.
If you are in the slightest way familiar with astronomy, you would understand what I precisely said.
Now, in here, we have, being humans, spread out over a sector of the universe, we have stations with billions of people upon it... and which are DEAD in the purest form of the word.
Planets: dead.
NPC's: DEAD as dead can be. (I'm do not mean the pirates I've blown away).
There is no interaction, missions are either virtually non-existent (Kill X Pirates as example), Or they are like: Go kill. Kill dude. Get payed.
Dafu... dge?
Something is not quite right, IMHO....
 

indiebob

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xondk said:
I don't think you have the same definition of casual as I do, casual games are games with short session times, and the ability to gain appreciable 'gain' within that short time.

But yeah, as previously mentioned words like 'hardcore' and such are thrown around everywhere of late, same with labelling games casual for 'some' undefined reason, or simply because they don't see it as 'hardcore', the vast majority of games are neither hardcore nor casual, unless they are like many mobile games and such, specifically made to be casual, as described above.
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I don't think casual is about game length. e.g. in Bloodborne you can achieve a lot in a little time, that doesn't make it casual. You can play Uncharted for hours and hours, it's still casual.

Also - dadgames are weird. They are kind of casual, in terms of there's not much muscle memory etc to build up, but there can be endless amounts of trivia, factoids etc to absorb, e.g. the soft points in armour on various different vehicles in World of Tanks, which can take quite some learning.
 

Salami

Salami
CariadocThorne said:
But what you see as flaws may be vital parts of the game to others.

As I've said before on these forums, I don't enjoy CoD much, but I don't go on CoD forums complaining about the things I don't like in the hope they'll get "fixed", I just don't play it, and let those who do enjoy it do so without my complaints. Why should they change the game to my tastes when others already like it as it is now?
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Well yes, which is why I wanted some as optional.
But for instance the 1.4 missions were not hindering the other players, did they?
So, one can be in symbiosis with the other
 

mrrockitt

mrrockitt
I don't really understand why ED, which is essentially a much prettier and far more detailed version of the original Elite, could be seen as a 'Dad' game for these reasons:

I relentlessly played the original game when I was 13 (Not a Dad!
I then loved Frontier when I was about 17 I think? (Still not a Dad)
I also loved Privateer 2 when I was in my 20's. (Soon to be Dad)
And lastly X/X2 when I was in my late 20/30's (A Dad with young kids)

So why is Elite Dangerous a 'Dad' and 'non-gamer's' game when I have loved the combat/trading space type game since I was 13? I do not play if for nostalgia, I play it because I love this type of game.
As many have said on here you either like this kind of game or you don't, simple as that.
 

indiebob

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Salami said:
Erm...
I must be speaking some unknown language...
I said: Space is a living, vibrant 'entity'.
If you are in the slightest way familiar with astronomy, you would understand what I precisely said.
Now, in here, we have, being humans, spread out over a sector of the universe, we have stations with billions of people upon it... and which are DEAD in the purest form of the word.
Planets: dead.
NPC's: DEAD as dead can be. (I'm do not mean the pirates I've blown away).
There is no interaction, missions are either virtually non-existent (Kill X Pirates as example), Or they are like: Go kill. Kill dude. Get payed.
Dafu... dge?
Something is not quite right, IMHO....
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I really would like a space simulator game. Or at least something approaching it! IWAR 2 managed to excellently fake newtonian physics back in 2001. Why we can't have that in ED, i do not know. IWAR had various forms of autopilot (aka flight assist) to make quasi-starwars flight possible, but there was nothing silly like maximum speeds ...

[video=youtube;ZFopMaG-2OU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFopMaG-2OU[/video]
 

Cosmos

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I wonder if what the OP was trying to ask is, 'are most players of ED forum dads?' the type of player who played games in the 80s, and then went on to do something else for a very long time and found themselves backing a project on kickstarter having never really played much since when they were a kid.. I can see that happening. Perhaps the type of gamer who talks about 'griefing' and hates competitive game play because they simply want to relax and chill.. A gamer who just prefers solo games and hates all this multiplayer stuff because, well you know..'kids'..

Looking back there was a time when those playing ED were 35-60 if I recall past polls on the topic. I think the demographic has shifted since the game officially released, particularly so given the latest steam drama. Whilst the drama wasn't good a more diverse playerbase is good news.

I think we are all gamers, young and old and lady or gentleman.. Old age comes to us all but one thing I like about gaming is that it gives different generations something in common; a connection between generations that wouldn't have been there before. I always think 'being old' as opposed to growing older is more about a state of mind and attitude. I know some right boring gits who are in their twenties going on 60.. I'm 40'ish going on 21 and so my attitude towards games might be different to my peers.

One things for sure, and its quite nice too, we're not seen as nerds for playing computer games anymore.. :)
 
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Salami

Salami
mrrockitt said:
As many have said on here you either like this kind of game or you don't, simple as that.
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I'm neither.
I do like MANY of the features, which is why i play (well... playing lately has been reduced to 10%), however, I miss out on other things.
So, i am, I guess, the oddball third category.
 
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