Fuel Rats under attack?

[Mr_Blastman]

I would advise against playing in open.

Fly solo, when an emergency occurs, create a new private group, invite the rescuee and then perform your operation. Stay ready to combat log in case of betrayal.
When done, disband the group.

Rince and repeat.

I would advise to not listen to this poster.

Open is fine.

Now, as to the OP... I would be glad to help you murder whoever is doing this. Folks who kill fuel rats kill folks to hurt the spice (traders). The spice must flow in Open. I have a vested interest in it.

To the quoted poster:

This is how we handle things in Open. We don't run away and "hide" in Solo mode. We put on our big boy pants, lock and load our weapons and deal with the problem personally.

To the OP:

Lemme know if you want some help. My time is valuable. Location and confirmed encounter is preferred. I offer one Cobra MK IV to help the cause. Don't laugh. It is a capable ship.

 

[Jukelo]

I think FD need to produce a custom set of paint jobs for the fuel rats and give them to members gratis. People like this turn good games into great games.

I'm a pirate, adding salt and excitement to what would otherwise be a boring game of hauling stuff back and forth between point A and B. Do I get a free pirate skin?

 

[El Dragoon!]

Hello all,

Last night, I took the plunge and finally earned my tail! Yes, I am bragging ! In all seriousness, it feels good to be among the helpful and industrious people who go out of their way to help others for nothing more than the satisfaction of seeing the job through. Looking forward to my first real rescue op, hopefully sometime tonight.

But that leads me to my original intent for creating this post.

While I was undergoing evaluation, it was mentioned to me that specific groups of players had begun targeting fuel rats. I wasn't given any names, but this person mentioned to me that they had been the victim of such an attack five times.

My first reaction was to ask "Why?". But, I realize that the nature of this game encourages players to play however they see fit, and attacking a rescuer on his way to help a hapless pilot is fair game. I'm not here to complain that people would do this, because the reasoning behind it is obvious to me: it must be fun.

What I am wondering, however, is which group(s) is/are doing this, and how a novice rat like myself can defend himself. For my ratting ship, I run an asp with low grade shields, max power plant and FSD, dual 32t fuel tanks, A6 fuel scoop, and enough cargo space to hold about 12 limpets. I don't carry weapons for the very reason that they can limit my jump range and power usage, and I can't fit a very strong shield without dropping the larger fuel scoop or using multiple boosters and cell banks.

Because the rats have to operate in Open play most of the time, and it's not feasible to create a private group for the sole purpose of ratting (anyone who has been saved previously now has access to that group for whatever nefarious purpose), this leaves them vulnerable.

Can we, as a community, work to identify the culprits and develop defensive strategies, or would this come to close to "naming and shaming?"

Also, I'll open this discussion to anyone with any opinion about the fuel rats, their adversaries, and so on. I'm just exited to be a part of it and wanted to come here to talk about your experiences with the group.

Apologies if this is an inappropriate topic, or belongs elsewhere (exploration, maybe?). I didn't see anything prohibiting this topic from Dangerous discussion, but I could be wrong.

i have a list of players that hunt fuel rats if you want them?


side note-, i may be a greifer, but only greif greifing greifers, in FDLs and FASes, a also kill any one on sight on my list (List of DEATH) regardless of what ship there in,
my point is,

if you know of any other players giving fuel rats a problem, give me their names

 

[Mr_Blastman]

Last night on Xbox, as some of you will know, we had a few CMDRs some call 'griefers', attacking Sidewinder pilots at the starter systems.
Our advice wasn't to go solo. We teamed up - a lot of us - and headed on over.
The offending pilots got in Eagles, afraid of the rebuy. Then they got in their Corvettes and Cutters, and I'm afraid to say that some deaths occurred.

Theirs.

Eventually, outnumbered and outmatched, they called it a night.
The answer isn't solo; the answer, when someone kills an ally, is to kill them right back.

Keep open safe. Keep it yours. Good luck, gentlemen.

This man gets it.

 

[Zelos1983]

I would advise to not listen to this poster.

Open is fine.

You are kind of funny..

Now, as to the OP... I would be glad to help you murder whoever is doing this. Folks who kill fuel rats kill folks to hurt the spice (traders). The spice must flow in Open. I have a vested interest in it.


To the quoted poster:

This is how we handle things in Open. We don't run away and "hide" in Solo mode. We put on our big boy pants, lock and load our weapons and deal with the problem personally.

..suggesting that, instead of spending time helping others in fuel emergencies, they should rather go open, "gang up" and fight back.

If people wanted to do that, they would not need to become fuel rats, they just can jump in their PvP ships and kill random CMDRs.

Sorry, but you entirely missed the point.

 

[Reaper99]

Hello all,

Last night, I took the plunge and finally earned my tail! Yes, I am bragging ! In all seriousness, it feels good to be among the helpful and industrious people who go out of their way to help others for nothing more than the satisfaction of seeing the job through. Looking forward to my first real rescue op, hopefully sometime tonight.

But that leads me to my original intent for creating this post.

While I was undergoing evaluation, it was mentioned to me that specific groups of players had begun targeting fuel rats. I wasn't given any names, but this person mentioned to me that they had been the victim of such an attack five times.

My first reaction was to ask "Why?". But, I realize that the nature of this game encourages players to play however they see fit, and attacking a rescuer on his way to help a hapless pilot is fair game. I'm not here to complain that people would do this, because the reasoning behind it is obvious to me: it must be fun.

What I am wondering, however, is which group(s) is/are doing this, and how a novice rat like myself can defend himself. For my ratting ship, I run an asp with low grade shields, max power plant and FSD, dual 32t fuel tanks, A6 fuel scoop, and enough cargo space to hold about 12 limpets. I don't carry weapons for the very reason that they can limit my jump range and power usage, and I can't fit a very strong shield without dropping the larger fuel scoop or using multiple boosters and cell banks.

Because the rats have to operate in Open play most of the time, and it's not feasible to create a private group for the sole purpose of ratting (anyone who has been saved previously now has access to that group for whatever nefarious purpose), this leaves them vulnerable.

Can we, as a community, work to identify the culprits and develop defensive strategies, or would this come to close to "naming and shaming?"

Also, I'll open this discussion to anyone with any opinion about the fuel rats, their adversaries, and so on. I'm just exited to be a part of it and wanted to come here to talk about your experiences with the group.

Apologies if this is an inappropriate topic, or belongs elsewhere (exploration, maybe?). I didn't see anything prohibiting this topic from Dangerous discussion, but I could be wrong.

When and if the fuel ratz are passing through our home and systems of influence...let us know...we will work to ensure you have safe escort through our space of interest...and if not occupied with something really important...will give escort all the way to your point of contact...

 

[Deleted member 38366]

As sad as it is.... in the toxic, lawless world of Open Play : working as intended. Design Decision(tm).

But if a Fuel Rat is ever in need of an Escort, I'd happily ditch anything I'm doing, hop in whatever Ship is needed and assist. Anytime. No questions asked, no payment needed. Any time.
Need an FdL? - you got it. Need a Corvette? You got it. Imperial Clipper? - all yours. FAS? Consider it done.
In support of a Fuel Rat? All 100% Expendable. Long trip or late hours? I don't care. Will stand by your side for as long as the Instancing/P2P gods allow it.

Why?
The few Fuel Rats I got the privilege to meet during the Hutton Orbital Mug runs were the craziest, nicest and most fun guys I've ever met

 

[Lowievisser]

If i where a feul rat i will be happy , even would like to join them and help protect them with the extra danger.

Player content as always is the real fun content. Esp if the gameplay is not that deep , rather go on a protection fleet for feul rats or hunting them , then do a text mission and go to a purple spot on planet for pod number 6754.

i really dont get wy ppl think those ppl are bad in real life and that it is bad for game play when you have even more 1 mode then open guys , 1+1=2 modes , you solo/group dudes are very weird sometimes. one side you dont want any player activitie or only none hostile(comon check human history) but if something happens in Open mode your the loudest on a public forum with a lot of other players.


enter a facepalm picture here.

 

[D Rendar]

Um yeah, sorry, but Fuel Rats only deliver fuel. No matter what. Armed escorts not needed. Rats know how to evade.

We ain't fighting, nor are we warmongering.

No matter what "representatives" may say.


-- Orange Sheets of Fuel Rats

Well, I'm not trying to speak for the fuel rats, as I only just completed training and drilling, and have yet to even partake in my first rescue. Even so, I wouldn't claim to represent them publicly, so I hope I don't qualify as one of your "'representatives'",

I believe the best offense is often defensive in nature, and evasion and learning to cope with issues as they arise is a part of the gig. In my Asp, I can probably escape before destruction, depending on if I submitted or my FSD failed. While on an operation as a rat, I would understand that even my ship's destruction would not be the end of it for me. I would rebuy and deploy again as quickly as I could. I don't condone open warfare involving humanitarian organizations, and would never suggest the Rats start a group to combat griefers. Rats deal with problems as they occur, and that's the end of it (and, coincidentally, all any griefer would amount to in the eyes of a Rat).

I'll admit I didn't believe any resolution would come of this thread, but I felt it was an interesting topic of conversation. When I heard about griefers targeting Fuel Rats last night, my initial reaction was astonishment. That brings me to why I've brought this up here: I'm simply amazed that some people go out of their way to hamper the efforts of a selfless organization seeking only to benefit anyone but themselves (I won't acknowledge any mention of the leaderboards and glory hogging - if you're already taking your own time to help me out, you deserve more than what little praise some Internet points will earn you). HOWEVER, I would argue that the griefing, so-called, can easily be defended as role-playing, and is not even harmful to the Rats' efforts (the procedures they've developed over thousands of rescues are well thought out and could likely compensate for the setback easily) . This is how the game works, and I merely find it fascinating to talk about it.

 

[thorn-]

Perhaps mentioned already - it's not easy for me to determine if I'm attacking a Fuel Rat on salvation mission. I did have someone comm "STAND DOWN PLS ON A RESCUE MISSION" once; don't recall what his loadout was (usually I check each ship before interdicting, but not always). He jumped before I tried grabbing him either way.

Even a paint job might not be noticed; that depends on ship distance, and normally the paint job is the last thing I'm paying attention to. I only notice "pirate" colors if an opponent does a close flyby at a side angle.

 

[DefiledDragon]

I'm a pirate, adding salt and excitement to what would otherwise be a boring game of hauling stuff back and forth between point A and B. Do I get a free pirate skin?

You're not assisting players in need, you're depriving them of l00t

Edit: Also, that's a bit like saying "Why do paramedics get their own uniforms? I wait outside post offices and mug pensioners as they come out on a Thursday morning, can't I have a uniform!?"

 

[Garagiste]

I don't support it but I certainly don't equate it to actually being a criminal in real life. Sometimes, games need a bad guy. It would be dull as dishwater if they didn't.

Of course it doesn't equate, but acting like a total div just because it's a game does not make you any less of a total div in the game. Shooting at somebody on a mercy mission is the act of a div, a berk and a whole lot more words that the forum won't allow.

 

[Jukelo]

When I heard about griefers targeting Fuel Rats last night, my initial reaction was astonishment. That brings me to why I've brought this up here: I'm simply amazed that some people go out of their way to hamper the efforts of a selfless organization seeking only to benefit anyone but themselves

See, some of us want a harsh envrionment for open: that's where we thrive, that's where our fun comes from. Cut throat galaxy is one of the selling points of the game and we do our best to make it so. In that context, selfless is definitely not a good attribute and is something some feel the need to actively work against.

 

[Mr_Blastman]

You are kind of funny..



..suggesting that, instead of spending time helping others in fuel emergencies, they should rather go open, "gang up" and fight back.

If people wanted to do that, they would not need to become fuel rats, they just can jump in their PvP ships and kill random CMDRs.

Sorry, but you entirely missed the point.

I didn't miss the point, I made the point. You just ended up on the back end of it before I got to the crux of the issue.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Closed at request of OP.