General / Off-Topic Atheist Goverments - The sword of reason

[Ironwolf]

Theocracy is 'a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.'
An 'ordinary' atheist simply rejects the belief in the existence of deities.
Militant atheism is 'an extreme hostility towards religious theism that entails a desire to see religion suppressed by force.'

There seems to be a few theocracies in E D. Cant find any militant atheists.
Looks like the galaxy is a dark and dangerous place, no light of reason shines.

 

[Vasious]

Theocracy is 'a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.'
An 'ordinary' atheist simply rejects the belief in the existence of deities.
Militant atheism is 'an extreme hostility towards religious theism that entails a desire to see religion suppressed by force.'

There seems to be a few theocracies in E D. Cant find any militant atheists.
Looks like the galaxy is a dark and dangerous place, no light of reason shines.

How do you know there aren't Theocracies for the same reason there are prison colonies
Put them all in a system by themselves and get on with life.

Remember there are set descriptions of the Minor Faction by their Political Structure.
Every independent Democracy will be described as

Democrat:
A faction that is known for actively following the ideal that all members should be able to influence how their organisation operates

Even though those Independent systems have no unified culture or ideology or such, and one could be corewards and one rimwards
That leaves a whole world of finer details in specified

I find it interesting, however, that you are equating the lack of an group that is extreme hostility towards another group of a different ideology & entails a desire to see that other groups ideology suppressed by force as a galaxy [that is] a dark and dangerous place, [where] no light of reason shines

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'd be willing to join a militant agnostic atheist society. Motto can be: "I don't know, but I don't think so"

Or perhaps the ignorant apathy society, "Don't know, don't care"

Can anyone Latin that?

 

[Ironwolf]

I find it interesting, however, that you are equating the lack of an group that is extreme hostility towards another group of a different ideology & entails a desire to see that other groups ideology suppressed by force as a galaxy [that is] a dark and dangerous place, [where] no light of reason shines

Maybe independent thought fosters an unfettered hatred of believers.

 

[Vasious]

Maybe independent thought fosters an unfettered hatred of believers.

That is the intellect overcome by emotion isn't it?

 

[Ironwolf]

I'd be willing to join a militant agnostic atheist society. Motto can be: "I don't know, but I don't think so"

Or perhaps the ignorant apathy society, "Don't know, don't care"

Can anyone Latin that?

No to agnostics. There is only one truth, there is no god.

I think the galaxy is awash with ' ignorant apathy societies', they are called theocracies.

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That is the intellect overcome by emotion isn't it?

I'd call that passion.

 

[CariadocThorne]

The exception to this is theocracy where religion and government type are tied and one would guess there is less religious tolerance.

Not all religions are intolerant of other religions, so while we can assume that the values and beliefs of the controlling religion would be reflected in law, a theocracy would not neccesarily be intolerant of other religions.

I find it interesting, however, that you are equating the lack of an group that is extreme hostility towards another group of a different ideology & entails a desire to see that other groups ideology suppressed by force as a galaxy [that is] a dark and dangerous place, [where] no light of reason shines

Exactly what I was going to say.

Motto can be: "I don't know, but I don't think so"

Now THAT sounds more like the voice of reason.

Maybe independent thought fosters an unfettered hatred of believers.

I thought this was about Militant Atheists?

 

[Ironwolf]

Maybe independent thought fosters an unfettered hatred of believers.

I was trying to identify what a militant atheist faction would be.
Anarchy: Independent
Unfettered: This Group is known to have a disdain for any laws outside its own attempts to govern its members behavior.

Easy from an individual perspective, but as a faction it depends on your point of view.
My reasoning would be that each man is his own master, no one is in control.
Loyalty to the faction can only be freely given, and it is never expected.
Uphold the immutable truth, all gods are false creations.
We are just another species of animal, morality is self determined.
Let right and wrong decide.

So, yes. Militant atheists would be inclined to fight for their cause.

 

[John Shepard]

I'd be willing to join a militant agnostic atheist society. Motto can be: "I don't know, but I don't think so"

Or perhaps the ignorant apathy society, "Don't know, don't care"

Can anyone Latin that?

agnostic and atheist are contradictory. You either accept you have no way to know one way or the other, or are (somehow) sure there is nothing that lies beyond the mortal plane.

In the end, the emperor always protects the faithful.

I mean seriously, space jesus. What else do you need to know. Here bask in his glory.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

agnostic and atheist are contradictory.

No they're not.

Agnosticism is about knowledge, atheism is about belief. Most agnostics are atheists. Although I have met a couple of agnostic theists.

 

[Mysturji]

Hello Commanders,

Odd question for anyone who might care to answer.
I'm looking for my home in the stars, a place where reason shines.

Any militant atheist societies in E D?

Thanks.

"Militant" compared to whom? Televangelists or Jihadis?
If you find one, let me know
In the meantime, the Guardians of Harmony are an equal-opportunity bunch of nice guys who play nice, help others, kill pirates, protect traders & explorers, and (AFAIK) have absolutely no imaginary friends.

 

[Frank]

Oh god, why do I get the vibe that this thread will explode...

Please let me intuition be wrong...

I'd like to say hello to all my moderator friends who are at the moment regarding this thread with baleful eyes

 

[Ian Phillips]

Hello Frank.

 

[Mysturji]

Well, not militant, but in Communism Interstellar you won't be pushing any theocracies for sure and since it's a group of people who sympathize with that specific form of government, it's bound to have mostly atheists as well.
Here's their main thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59675

Not criticising your group in any way, but for an example of a non-religious theocracy, just look at North Korea.

Well, you can't have militant atheism when the game's world doesn't have militant theism to begin with. There's no NPC murder in the name of C'Thullu, only in the name of the Duvals.

Most theocracies are really poor and insignificant and apart from the Empire still believing in astrology, there's been very few theistic remarks. Hudson mentioned "hell" once quite recently I think and that could be a figure of speech still lingering from previous centuries for all intents and purposes.

As a militant atheist myself, I find it's generally well kept out of players' attention within ED's world for all sides. That being said, I wouldn't mind a theocracy in 70 Virginis related to [censored due to neoliberalism]. Because it would be hilarious.

Shouldn't that be 72 Virginis?

 

[Apos]

Nah, it has been going long enough. Either the ED community lacks devout theists or it has a good amount of the respectful bunch.

Shouldn't that be 72 Virginis?

Is 72 inhabitted? I haven't noticed. Would they mind being given 2 less than promised?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

No to agnostics. There is only one truth, there is no god.

Prove it

I'd call that passion.

Last time I checked the dictionary passion was described as an emotion.


A militant atheist organization would want to clean the galaxy from religion as a way to solve the problems created by religions. A completely logical and rational thing to do. No hatred, no passion and no emotions needed.

 

[Ironwolf]

Prove it

Last time I checked the dictionary passion was described as an emotion.

A militant atheist organization would want to clean the galaxy from religion as a way to solve the problems created by religions. A completely logical and rational thing to do. No hatred, no passion and no emotions needed.

The onerous is on the believers to prove.
I can not prove that pink unicorns do not exist.

Yes, passion is a strong emotional state.
One could even commit crimes of passion.
The sword of reason, says it all.

Yes, it is logical to want to eradicate religion and its untruths.
There is also no reason why hatred is illogical, maybe its a rational emotion, circumstances considered.

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"Militant" compared to whom? Televangelists or Jihadis?
If you find one, let me know
In the meantime, the Guardians of Harmony are an equal-opportunity bunch of nice guys who play nice, help others, kill pirates, protect traders & explorers, and (AFAIK) have absolutely no imaginary friends.

Thanks for the heads up. Having a read about them now.
No imaginary friends is a must, it defines everything you are.

 

[Vasious]

As a thought

rather than a Minor faction in game to be the militant atheist organization
Make it a player group
Find the theocracies that have expanded, use the BGS to push them back to their home system and confine them there.
Minor factions can be pushed out of a system if their influence is low enough, the Angeli Imperial just removed the HIP 20199 Mafia from HIP 20199

 

[Apos]

A militant atheist organization would want to clean the galaxy from religion as a way to solve the problems created by religions. A completely logical and rational thing to do. No hatred, no passion and no emotions needed.

Well, someone could argue there is no such thing as no emotion. How can something stemming from a religion be a problem if the individual feels no disdain from the logical deductions a person makes from observing said outcomes?

No hatred would indeed be required, because hatred is an emotion that clouds judgement. No passion, preferably, because it can lead to lack of judgement as well. But you can't have altruism through complete lack of emotions.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

By the way, has anyone found a teapot between Earth and Mars?