I can provide the clipper but I'm at Maia right now, don't know if it's a problem as you guys are often equipped in a way that makes 500Ly laughable
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UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn
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I can provide the clipper but I'm at Maia right now, don't know if it's a problem as you guys are often equipped in a way that makes 500Ly laughable
Most important stars from Pleiades:
Alcyone - Class B - no planets found - discarded
Atlas - Class B + F - 3 of 6 planets are landable (high metal) - 1 landable moon(rocky) - good
Electra - Class B - 3 of 8 planets are landable (metal rich) - good
Maia - Class B + Black Hole - 1 of 12 planets are landable (high metal) - 26 of 36 moons are landable - good
Merope - Class B - 13 of 14 moons are landable (rocky) - good
Taygeta - Class B - 2 of 13 planets are landable (metal rich and high metal) - 9 of 17 moons are landable - good
Pleione - Class B - 2 of 11 planets are landable (metal rich and high metal) - 19 of 23 moons are landable - good
Celaeno - Class B - no landable planets - discarded
Asterope - Class B + F + T - no planets found - discarded
Sterope II - Class A + F - no planets found - discarded
18 Tauri - Class B + A + G - no planets found - discarded
and continues...
Alcyone - Class B - no planets found - discarded
Atlas - Class B + F - 3 of 6 planets are landable (high metal) - 1 landable moon(rocky) - good
Electra - Class B - 3 of 8 planets are landable (metal rich) - good
Maia - Class B + Black Hole - 1 of 12 planets are landable (high metal) - 26 of 36 moons are landable - good
Merope - Class B - 13 of 14 moons are landable (rocky) - good
Taygeta - Class B - 2 of 13 planets are landable (metal rich and high metal) - 9 of 17 moons are landable - good
Pleione - Class B - 2 of 11 planets are landable (metal rich and high metal) - 19 of 23 moons are landable - good
Celaeno - Class B - no landable planets - discarded
Asterope - Class B + F + T - no planets found - discarded
Sterope II - Class A + F - no planets found - discarded
18 Tauri - Class B + A + G - no planets found - discarded
and continues...
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I may be a bit late (again...), but is the search being conducted in the systems named after the Seven Sisters, besides Merope ?
is it possible we will find convoys in merope with barnacles on board
I believe it is any and all that are in or around the nebula.
What are Scientific Research? They aren't on the wiki
i dont know thats why i posted
i have screen shots but dont know how to post them
i have screen shots but dont know how to post them
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I've just taken System Map shots of 16 systems in the Pleiades Nebula.
I surveyed them back in June last year so all I had to do was go to them in Galaxy Map.
People can use these as the basis of a planetary index?
Imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/4ET0Q
Alcyone
Asterope
Atlas
Celaeno
Electra
HIP 17862
HIP 17892
HR 1172
HR 1183
HR 1185
Maia
Merope
Pleione
Sterope II
Taygeta
18 Tauri
I surveyed them back in June last year so all I had to do was go to them in Galaxy Map.
People can use these as the basis of a planetary index?
Imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/4ET0Q
Alcyone
I wonder, if in all the excitement over barnacles, we're not going off track. There are no missions to retrieve barnacles, but there are missions to retrieve meta-alloys. Barnacles are 'associated with' meta-alloys - not co-terminus with them. So perhaps we should concentrate more on the meta-alloys?
A few considerations come to mind:
1) We know the meta-alloys are formed organically. By definition, that means with carbon present. If we assume meta-alloys are formed locally, that means planets where carbon is present. It's notable from the materials database https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-eF1HH2xQ-_aUgSfSJna6mTuLs/edit#gid=653759739 that metal-rich planets are inclined not to have carbon. It's perhaps worth always checking that carbon is present among the materials on a surface before investing too much time...
2) Missions are to retrieve and bring back meta-alloys. So they are obviously not 'materials' (which cannot be transferred). There is, so far as we know, only one way of collecting items for transport and that is by the cargo scoop (which limpets also use). There are only -as far as we know - only two classes of 'stuff' that we can pick up: a) canisters b)mining fragments.
3) It seems highly probable, therefore, that meta-alloys will be discovered in one or other form. On planetary surfaces this implies either from a wreck (canisters) or from an automated mining outpost (fragments). Despite the abundance of tea and gold, I would suggest it worth looking at every canister you can find on a wreck site. Equally I suggest zapping every auto-miner on an outpost. Even if the first four produce only bauxite or coltan, that's no reason to desist from the rest. You may strike lucky. (An no one ever said that meta-alloys were to be found on the surface.)
4) Personally, I think looking for green lights from 4km height is a waste of time. The meta-alloys (maybe combined with UA) will lead us towards the barnacles - that seems to be the path FDev is setting us on.
5) If (as seems likely) a POI with meta-alloys is persistent, a way of saving time is to stop in front of one, log off and back on. If it is still there, it is likely designed to be present across all instances.
A few considerations come to mind:
1) We know the meta-alloys are formed organically. By definition, that means with carbon present. If we assume meta-alloys are formed locally, that means planets where carbon is present. It's notable from the materials database https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-eF1HH2xQ-_aUgSfSJna6mTuLs/edit#gid=653759739 that metal-rich planets are inclined not to have carbon. It's perhaps worth always checking that carbon is present among the materials on a surface before investing too much time...
2) Missions are to retrieve and bring back meta-alloys. So they are obviously not 'materials' (which cannot be transferred). There is, so far as we know, only one way of collecting items for transport and that is by the cargo scoop (which limpets also use). There are only -as far as we know - only two classes of 'stuff' that we can pick up: a) canisters b)mining fragments.
3) It seems highly probable, therefore, that meta-alloys will be discovered in one or other form. On planetary surfaces this implies either from a wreck (canisters) or from an automated mining outpost (fragments). Despite the abundance of tea and gold, I would suggest it worth looking at every canister you can find on a wreck site. Equally I suggest zapping every auto-miner on an outpost. Even if the first four produce only bauxite or coltan, that's no reason to desist from the rest. You may strike lucky. (An no one ever said that meta-alloys were to be found on the surface.)
4) Personally, I think looking for green lights from 4km height is a waste of time. The meta-alloys (maybe combined with UA) will lead us towards the barnacles - that seems to be the path FDev is setting us on.
5) If (as seems likely) a POI with meta-alloys is persistent, a way of saving time is to stop in front of one, log off and back on. If it is still there, it is likely designed to be present across all instances.
This — who wants to fire this up? I think this would go a looooong way for coordinating this sort of thing. I'd think somebody with Canonn gravitas should be the owner.
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Thanks to Yaffle, simulacrae and RedWizzard for stealing my identity!I was on the plane, and now I'm wandering on the Rues of Paris. I'll be on track soon with the first two posts! Thanks!
All Yaffle and his magic mod tricks
HR 1185 is crazy! What are those!?
I had so much fun there, they are T Tauri White/Blue stars with rings
Definitely the most interesting system I've ever been in, I had fun searching around there for a while, it's definitely worth a look, it was the place Free Floater UA's were found the most back in 1.3
That isn't the complete system map though, I'm firing the game up now to find it and double check I am right and that I'm not just thinking of a different place. Will update momentarily.
OK here is HR 1185 in its entirety:
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That depends on what barnacles end up being. Michael Brookes said they are found on planets, so if we assume they are the green glowing structures seen in the trailer (which most of us do), then I guess not because they look massive and won't fit in anything smaller than perhaps a capital ship.
If they are something else which is not that huge, then it's possible. But at this point it's all speculation.
No problem Squiggsy! Scientific method is all about the process of finding evidence to disprove somebody's theory (or evidence for that theory); a good scientist will even try to disprove their own theory...
However I think the first point you raise is too weak, since if the UAs have some intelligence - they must have since they scan & recognise the ships &/or systems/planets & transmit that info in Morse (N.B. however it could be AI rather than evolved intelligence - there is no evidence for either of those possibilities) so it is conceivable that they could have learnt Morse for themselves. There is also since (as you say) Morse is a human invention (for communication over limited bandwidth circuits) a possibility that UAs could have a human historic origin-either from the Missing Generation settlements, or from INRA bioengineering research. Someone else recently raised a valid argument that the fact that UAs are only recently discovered argues against them being Thargoid, since Thargoids shared technology with humans in the past, so this suggests that "Unknown Artefacts" would actually be "Known Thargoid Artefacts" if that were their origin; we would recognise the UA technology as Thargoid if not the actual "device". So I still think UAs represent a (basic) intelligent lifeform migrating around the galaxy doing its own thing & trying to spawn to reproduce.
The second point is also a bit weak for me, as the UAs are pointing towards Merope, not Pleione.
I am not saying Thargoids are NOT involved with UAs (either historically or currently) or in the game, but I can't see any evidence strong enough (at the moment) to support that hypothesis; but I do object fairly strongly (as I posted) to assertions which include me when I don't subscribe to them.
Separate but related topic while I'm typing: @Rizal, LordZoltan & Derthek.
The thing that attracted me to this megathread in the first place was the stated aim of applying a scientific approach to the problems that ED are presenting us with. I'm not decrying anyone in any way - there have been many interesting ideas postulated over the last few months while I've been trying to read everything. But we have not defined what we mean by a "scientific approach"; I posted a few days ago a link to the Wikipedia definition of scientific method which looks good to me; could we put that url (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) into our first page on this thread and also onto the Canonn site to encourage more testing?
I've made a start on it now. I'll throw up a link a little later on when I get it tidy enough. What sort of info do people want to record about the planets?
I'm going to integrate Materials surveying with it to help other players in the area, but what else?
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