UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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So has anyone tried putting the space UA in the same Srv as the meta alloys?

Could be interesting if they can canel out the damage and maybe plant a new one somewhere. Any thoughts??

Btw I'm heading to Barnards loop and stopping off at each nebula on the way over the next few weeks. Let me know if your around and I'm more than happy to team up.


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Personally I think overlaying the logo and the image makes it look like a better match than it really is. It's very easy to just sort of ignore the bits that don't fit. I think the right way to do this is to take the image of barnard's loop and produce a new logo of the same sort of complexity as the logo from the barnacles but without considering the barnacle logo at all. Basically generate your own stylised barnard's loop. I believe doing it that way will make it fairly obvious that they don't match that well (though it won't convince everyone as some people seem content to link the barnacle logo to anything vaguely circular).
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Yes, but if you don't have fiber, you won't have as good latency which could be the difference in connection quality.

True but my latency is OK, typical for UK. I'd be surprised if they'd made it that sensitive to network latency.

Also initially I always saw it, first few days I was there. Then one day I couldn't see it, tried mode switch and in and out of SC. It didn't appear.
 
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I'm hopelessly behind on the thread (again) and unable to test until my new hardware comes later today anyway (hard to justify £300+ in upgrades, plus the cost of Horizons, just to play a single game, but I finally bit the bullet), but this makes perfect sense:

When you are in open or a group with other people in the instance, the matchmaking server does two things that help:

- It matches YOU with the best instance "owner".
- It sets the instance owner to the best possible candidate (sticky, only updates when "owner" leaves instance).

Depending on how FDev have done the networking code, there are two possible options for why this helps with the Barnacles. Either you now get the list of objects in the instance from the instance owner or there is a built-in check to make sure everyone in the instance has the same object list.

It would be enormously helpful to know if the people experiencing problems getting the barnacles to show in solo have a dodgy connection to the transaction server. Without snooping on my ethernet traffic, I don't know if FDev use a static server for these things or if it's a random Amazon EC2 instance. Anyone know?

I have no idea how the networking in ED works in detail. One thing i found out during my testing was that when my connection quality was bad, I could not even start the game in Solo. I would get the 'Could not contact transaction server' message. I however had no problem with open or the Canonn server.
The tests were done in known and busy barnacle locations and at the Conda wreck. There were always people around.

If you are looking for barnacles in a remote nebula the chance of 'P2P help' is slim, I guess :-/

I don't think the bandwith of your internet connection has anything to do with the issues. It's probably related to packet loss or plain old ping.

Personally I would hold of the search of distant nebulae until the issue is resolved. I would (and will as soon as I have game time) focus research on the Meta-Alloy/UA connection for now.

Sorry for rambeling on with pure speculations.
 
Personally I think overlaying the logo and the image makes it look like a better match than it really is. It's very easy to just sort of ignore the bits that don't fit. I think the right way to do this is to take the image of barnard's loop and produce a new logo of the same sort of complexity as the logo from the barnacles but without considering the barnacle logo at all. Basically generate your own stylised barnard's loop. I believe doing it that way will make it fairly obvious that they don't match that well (though it won't convince everyone as some people seem content to link the barnacle logo to anything vaguely circular).
100% agree. I don't necessarily discount that the logo is meant to be a nebula, but as you say, it looks fairly good overlaid on most circular-ish nebulae, as well as on a top-down view of the galaxy. Your method of trying to make a logo from a nebula, I'd say by using image processing, without even looking at the barnacle logo until you are done and THEN do a side-by-side comparison is the way to go.
 
I'm hopelessly behind on the thread (again) and unable to test until my new hardware comes later today anyway (hard to justify £300+ in upgrades, plus the cost of Horizons, just to play a single game, but I finally bit the bullet), but this makes perfect sense:

When you are in open or a group with other people in the instance, the matchmaking server does two things that help:

- It matches YOU with the best instance "owner".
- It sets the instance owner to the best possible candidate (sticky, only updates when "owner" leaves instance).

Depending on how FDev have done the networking code, there are two possible options for why this helps with the Barnacles. Either you now get the list of objects in the instance from the instance owner or there is a built-in check to make sure everyone in the instance has the same object list.

It would be enormously helpful to know if the people experiencing problems getting the barnacles to show in solo have a dodgy connection to the transaction server. Without snooping on my ethernet traffic, I don't know if FDev use a static server for these things or if it's a random Amazon EC2 instance. Anyone know?

Here's some fun for you: the other day myself, Kyp Shard and Clarion_Z all logged on to the Canonn PG.

Kyp and I were on a planet surface at a barnacle. I'd winged with Kyp first, who, at some point switched instance while he was driving around in his buggeh with me. I then winged with Clarion who was on his way, and I'd sent another wing req to Kyp - which he never received.

As Clarion approached the planet, he could see targets in his HUD for both me and Kyp (who I couldn't see at all).

He landed, and we started exploring the Barnacle site together, after a few minutes I said 'shall we harvest the MAs' and he said 'they've already been harvested'. I stared at the pristine site in front of me thinking: 'he's mad'!

So I shot one of MA stalks, out popped an MA - and he said 'where did that come from!?' - to him, it looked like I'd just shot into thin air, because from his point of view, the stalk was gone. In fact, all the stalks had been broken from his POV!

To make matters even more strange - you'd think that meant Kyp's version of the same Barnacle would also have been destroyed right? Since Clarion had originally seen him too? Nope - Kyp's version of the Barnacle was also pristine. Clarion had somehow inherited a completely different version of the Barnacle while sharing the same instance as me.

So the state tracking for these things has some issues for sure; and that might also be affecting whether they show in certain environments in the first place.

Clarion and I shared the MAs from our little inception moment - and it's the strangest instancing bug I've ever seen!
 
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I have fiber, 80mo/s, 12ms lattency , live in Paris and... got the barnacles bug.

I don't think we will find the answer to this. You don't necessarily connect to the same transaction server as the next guy. It's not like the problem is constant either. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it does not. It should bee quite easy for FD to provoke the issue (I managed to do it, so it's easy :p), so I expect a fix SOON Tm.
 
Here's some fun for you: the other day myself, Kyp Shard and Clarion_Z all logged on to the Canonn PG.

Kyp and I were on a planet surface at a barnacle. I'd winged with Kyp first, who, at some point switched instance while he was driving around in his buggeh with me. I then winged with Clarion who was on his way, and I'd sent another wing req to Kyp - which he never received.

As Clarion approached the planet, he could see targets in his HUD for both me and Kyp (who I couldn't see at all).

He landed, and we started exploring the Barnacle site together, after a few minutes I said 'shall we harvest the MAs' and he said 'they've already been harvested'. I stared at the pristine site in front of me thinking: 'he's mad'!

So I shot one of MA stalks, out popped an MA - and he said 'where did that come from!?' - to him, it looked like I'd just shot into thin air, because from his point of view, the stalk was gone. In fact, all the stalks had been broken from his POV!

To make matters even more strange - you'd think that meant Kyp's version of the same Barnacle would also have been destroyed right? Since Clarion had originally seen him too? Nope - Kyp's version of the Barnacle was also pristine. Clarion had somehow inherited a completely different version of the Barnacle while sharing the same instance as me.

So the state tracking for these things has some issues for sure; and that might also be affecting whether they show in certain environments in the first place.

Clarion and I shared the MAs from our little inception moment - and it's the strangest instancing bug I've ever seen!

Actually, I wonder if exactly the same thing would happen if you visited a mining outpost POI (why does that moniker remind me of fish?) with a number of friends.

I remember reading about fixes for Materials in the last few patches where materials would not 'network' properly in the same instance. One person mines the outcrop, but the other person sees the outcrop as whole, but can't mine it.

It could be that they just haven't got their shovel in order in terms of planetary objects and networking, and the whole barnacle thing is just exacerbating the issue.
 
I think I might have some bad news, the tuba honks don't seem to ever repeat themselves. I took an hour long video of Barnacle 2 and wrote down the low honks as 0's and the high honks as 1's. Here's what I got.

00010100100100011010001010001001001001001010100000101110101111101001110111110110111001011110010101010101010101111000110110101110110010110100010010100110100100100101010101100010001101100110100

there isn't any repetition ever, which means either A, the message it is sending is longer than 1 hour (which I doubt) or B, there is no message hidden in the honks (which unfortunately I'm starting to believe.)
 
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Please i need help with morse code.

i managed to decode this from page 517
Barnacle 2 (Merope 5 C) 01010011011111
Barnacle 4 (Pleiades Sector JC-U b3-2 1) 1010110011001011101000101010100
Barnacle 5 (Pleiades Sector JC-U b3-2 1) 1111010010101010101101010010011110110000110101000

01010011011111 = -.-.- - .. - .. ... == ATTENTION Titis
1010110011001011101000101010100 = . -. -..- - . .- - .-. .. - . --- .-. -. -.-- == enxteatriteorny
1111010010101010101101010010011110110000110101000 = ... . -. - -.- .-. -.-. -. . - .-. -- .- - ....- ..--- - . .-. - . --- == sentkrcnetrmat42terteo

Sound like a message to me, but finding the proper morse syntax is quite hard.
After a long day with a dental RL interdiction i have to stop for now.

Good Luck Commanders!


last part looks something like " sent centre at 42 terteo" Is it trying to say this its origin? or control centre?
e.g. "If found please send location details to owner at XXX"

but why is the message spread across three different barnacles? Surely it would make more sense for each one to issue the full message.
 
last part looks something like " sent centre at 42 terteo" Is it trying to say this its origin? or control centre?
e.g. "If found please send location details to owner at XXX"

but why is the message spread across three different barnacles? Surely it would make more sense for each one to issue the full message.

Maybe we need to record (I'd do it myself but my intnernet sucks so I don't have recording/streaming software set up) all three barnacles that are close to each other on:

JC-U b3-2 2

No.1 @ 49.98,101.51
No.2 @ 49.75,102.15
No.3 @ 49.53,102.08
 
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I think that the symbol on the barnacle looks more like an Atoll (look attached image) than a lagoon, apparently NGC6445 is likened to an Atoll according to the txt, it's also quite near the Lagoon Nebula.
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Atoll Txt.jpg 6445.jpg
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Edit: The txt is unrelated to the image, both were found from different sources.
 
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If we search for a ring of code the third message
1111010010101010101101010010011110110000110101000 = ....-.--.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.--.--....-..----..-.-.---
contains ...-.- PROSIGN End of contact
followed by -.-.- PROSIGN Attention

This looks like a perfect hit for end and begin of the transmission.

but it looks like we could listen for hours.. oh no.. it looked so good
 
Here's some fun for you: the other day myself, Kyp Shard and Clarion_Z all logged on to the Canonn PG.

Kyp and I were on a planet surface at a barnacle. I'd winged with Kyp first, who, at some point switched instance while he was driving around in his buggeh with me. I then winged with Clarion who was on his way, and I'd sent another wing req to Kyp - which he never received.

As Clarion approached the planet, he could see targets in his HUD for both me and Kyp (who I couldn't see at all).

He landed, and we started exploring the Barnacle site together, after a few minutes I said 'shall we harvest the MAs' and he said 'they've already been harvested'. I stared at the pristine site in front of me thinking: 'he's mad'!

So I shot one of MA stalks, out popped an MA - and he said 'where did that come from!?' - to him, it looked like I'd just shot into thin air, because from his point of view, the stalk was gone. In fact, all the stalks had been broken from his POV!

To make matters even more strange - you'd think that meant Kyp's version of the same Barnacle would also have been destroyed right? Since Clarion had originally seen him too? Nope - Kyp's version of the Barnacle was also pristine. Clarion had somehow inherited a completely different version of the Barnacle while sharing the same instance as me.

So the state tracking for these things has some issues for sure; and that might also be affecting whether they show in certain environments in the first place.

Clarion and I shared the MAs from our little inception moment - and it's the strangest instancing bug I've ever seen!

Hope you've put all that in a bug report!
;)
 
Just FYI: Decoding morse signals without knowing the seperator is...well almost infinitely futile.

Look at this code (regular morse term where I just deleted the seperators):
-...-.-.----...-----.-.....

When you enter it into here: http://www.dcode.fr/morse-code and hit the "Decrypt morse without seperators" button you will get 1000 iterations with different seperator patterns...in those 1000 I did not find the original wording which was:
DECODEMORSE
 
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