General / Off-Topic The "I've seen Star Wars: The Force Awakens and want to say..." thread - USE SPOILER TAGS!

In short :

I wish they had produced the Thrawn Trilogy shortly after the original Star Wars

I agree entirely - unfortunately Timothy Zahn didn't write these three books until 1991, 1992 and 1993 respectively.

Had George Lucas made these films rather than the prequels, the key characters would have been locked into the film series and wouldn't have been vulnerable to what Disney have done. They would also have been much better plotlines!
 
The whole thing is just really really weird......
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Han and Chewie are now smugglers, and in debt to bounty hunters....just like they were in the original
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Leia leads a rag tag group of rebels from a jungle/forest hideout....just like she was in the original.....
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Luke is stuck on a planet looking to the horizon.......
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The Empire has Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and a Death Star, just like the original.......we even get a Cantina scene...........It's just like Star Trek, JJ trashes the story arc and character growth we saw over the previous films......Solo went from selfish criminal ("I'm in this for the money, Princess") to respected General in the rebellion who gave a damn about people....what a great arc......but JJ can't do anything with that, all he can do is make faded copy.......so what is easiest thing to do? Make Han a smuggler again, at 70 years old..............just, what?
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I see it like this. Mega Corporation Disney and its fans can shout all they like about the official story and "canon", they can say the past does not matter and this is a new beginning. Fine with me......I will keep all that came before, the 6 films, the 150 books, the games, ship designs, everything....lets call it the Lucas Era........and the Micky Mouse Club can keep their "canon", which at the moment, consists of one film, which is nothing more than an inferior remake of the original classic.......
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Another question.......MiniVader/Darth Emo.....he said he wanted to finish what Vader started......ask yourself this....WHAT did Vader start?.........Did he start anything???.....I got the impression it was Palpetines plan, and Vader was just his attack dog.......not only does this seem a reach, but to top it off, Vader was redeemed at the end of Jedi, can't his ghost pop up and say "Dude, you go this all wrong"?.........Maybe Emo Vaders plan is to "turn" the Skywalkers, maybe that bit was Vaders idea "He could become a powerful ally"....but to that I say....AGAIN??????? WE HAVE DONE THESE FILMS ALREADY!!!!
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Finn, raised from birth to be a storm trooper......yet when he is with Rey he asks stupid question like, "Do you have a cute boyfriend"? How would he even have a CONCEPT of what a "boyfriend" is, if he was raised to fight by the Empire? His story should have been about his struggle in "the real world"...a bit like in "Soldier" and the Kurt Russle character, he too was trained from birth to be a soldier, and as such, when he mixed with Normal people, it created problems as his solution to everything was violence. But nope, he took off his trooper uniform and became "Average American Dude" lets go to the mall and hang out.
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Just...ugh.......it seems a very very small galaxy where the problems of billions of lives, revolve around the same few people time and time again.........
 
That is a fair point, and that people walk away with that parallel in mind is unfortunate. However, I think "Poe as Finn's master" ends there. Their dynamic is not even remotely like that.

The dynamic is far more like that of a romance. The way they run to each other and embrace is filmed and acted like a romantic reunion. And the way Poe bites his bottom lip as he admires how Finn looks in his jacket is pretty blatant. I hope they develop this a bit more in the next one.
 
The dynamic is far more like that of a romance. The way they run to each other and embrace is filmed and acted like a romantic reunion. And the way Poe bites his bottom lip as he admires how Finn looks in his jacket is pretty blatant. I hope they develop this a bit more in the next one.

I've heard about that. It doesn't look that blatant in the movie, unless my mind plays tricks on me, but it is there. Think Disney would have the balls?
 
In short :

I wish they had produced the Thrawn Trilogy shortly after the original Star Wars

(Don't click if you want to read the Thrawn Trilogy, which you totally should if you were a Star Wars fan)
And if it was only for the
Sun Hammer, now THIS is what I call a SUPERWEAPON
I agree with the Thrawn trilogy. I actually read it in graphic novel format after seeing the latest movie (graphic novel was only average, though - I prefer the novels).

However:
The Thrawn trilogy didn't have any super weapons aside from Grand Admiral Thrawn himself (and one trick that he made look like a superweapon). The Sun Crusher was in the awful Jedi Academy trilogy.

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The dynamic is far more like that of a romance. The way they run to each other and embrace is filmed and acted like a romantic reunion. And the way Poe bites his bottom lip as he admires how Finn looks in his jacket is pretty blatant. I hope they develop this a bit more in the next one.
I didn't see it as blatant, really. Certainly, the potential is there, but the scenes can be interpreted very innocently as well.

What I do want is for them to
show that Finn is Force sensitive as well - perhaps even a potential Jedi student, because that's the only reasonable way they can explain his ability to fight Ren with lightsabers - if it can be explained at all.
 
I agree with the Thrawn trilogy. I actually read it in graphic novel format after seeing the latest movie (graphic novel was only average, though - I prefer the novels).

However:
The Thrawn trilogy didn't have any super weapons aside from Grand Admiral Thrawn himself (and one trick that he made look like a superweapon). The Sun Crusher was in the awful Jedi Academy trilogy.

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I didn't see it as blatant, really. Certainly, the potential is there, but the scenes can be interpreted very innocently as well.

What I do want is for them to
show that Finn is Force sensitive as well - perhaps even a potential Jedi student, because that's the only reasonable way they can explain his ability to fight Ren with lightsabers - if it can be explained at all.
Give up all hope of realism. It's Disney.
 
Give up all hope of realism. It's
Star Wars.

Also, I don't get why Force-sensitive Finn fighting with a lightsaber is more realistic than non-Force-sensitive Finn fighting with a lightsaber. I mean, come on. The Force. Lightsabers. That sentence contains more than one really unrealistic concept.

That being said, he did quite well with a lightsaber for a muggle. It could go either way, in my opinion. I'd actually prefer it if he wouldn't become a Jedi though. In the original trilogy, the non-Jedi were way cooler than Luke.
 
And do you really need to have the Force to wield a light sabre? I mean it's just a glowing stick that you shouldn't smash windows with, right?
No, but to be able to use it successfully against someone who's spent much more time training with one should be impossible. Same with real swords. If you put an untrained guy against someone who's trained at least for a few months, the trained one will most assuredly win easily.

The author of the disastrously awful novelisation actually tried to remedy the situation by saying that Finn was so athletic that he could fight with it - clearly the author recognised the problem, but could not come up with any sort of an explanation for it.
 
No, but to be able to use it successfully against someone who's spent much more time training with one should be impossible. Same with real swords. If you put an untrained guy against someone who's trained at least for a few months, the trained one will most assuredly win easily.

The author of the disastrously awful novelisation actually tried to remedy the situation by saying that Finn was so athletic that he could fight with it - clearly the author recognised the problem, but could not come up with any sort of an explanation for it.


There's also the matter of Kylo Renn fighting with a blaster wound in his side from Chewie's crossbow.
 
There's also the matter of Kylo Renn fighting with a blaster wound in his side from Chewie's crossbow.
True, that. Of course, we were never really shown how bad the wound was. I'm also not sure if the blast actually hit the bridge and Renn was hit by shrapnel instead (would explain him surviving the hit).

But, he was in good enough condition to run around catching rebels in a snowy forest and accessing the Force, so - in any case - the wound did not seem to slow him down very much.
 
Finn was clearly trained in melee combat,
that buddy of his was and they were from the same unit.
Nowhere in any canon material is it said that only the Jedi can equip a lightsaber. (That's some weird AD&D way of thinking, people, 2nd edition tops!)
Maz Kanata straight out told him that he was in the possession of an effective weapon for people trained in melee combat, why would she lie?

Kylo, on the other hand,
was clearly shown bleeding - which is, I believe, a first in Star Wars history - so we know it's not trivial. Also, remember the times that he kept hitting himself? I do that If I want to distract myself from pain, so he clearly was in a significant amount of pain. This probably messed up his ability to focus, so he couldn't use his kickass force powers. And you know, he was in some emotional distress as well, as a member of a cult who had been brainwashed into the belief that he had to kill his family (which, by the way, happens in real life - parents helped their kids "drinking the Kool Aid", after all.)

But hey, people believe what they have to. If their headcanon has anybody even touching a lightsaber ending up grisly dismembering him- or herself, non-Force users fighting with lightsabers more or less effectively is going to inflict some cognitive dissonance on them. They can't admit that they interpreted things wrongly their entire life, so they end up not liking the source of their conflict. I see it all the time.
 
So I finally got to see it, too. Very me gusta.

My favourite scene was where Finn wanted to rush to help Rey with the two guys trying to kidnap BB8, but she handled them all on her own, fighting with her quarterstaff. I am a sucker for quarterstaff fighting (and other polearms btw), plus it showed her as someone who can manage on her own. :)

The worst part was when the Nu Deathstar was activated to "destroy the republic". The speed at which the tip of the beam progressed was clearly subluminal, yet somehow it reached another system however many light-years away (and in Star Wars these distances are over rather large, as the entire galaxy is inhabited yet travel times are days at the most extreme), and the protagonists on an entirely different system saw the beam in the sky*. , Once again** JJ Abrams proves he has either no idea whatsoever about astronomy and in particular scale in space, or doesn't care to the point of almost deliberately sabotaging the believability of these scenes. The Deathstar 1 and 2 at least were in the same systems, firing across distances of thousands of kilometers, not light-years.

I just hope there won't be another Deathstar style superweapon in the upcoming movies. So many stories that could be told that don't culminate in "disable the enemy's weapon of mass destruction"; The Empire Strikes Back worked very well even though no one blew up a Deathstar at the end.

*Actually, had that part about the beam being visible in the sky not been in, I would just have made up some ad-hoc headcanon that the weapon does some hyperspace-thing to transport the plasma stream across interstellar distances. But then he had to have it visible in the sky on another planet in another system, also moving at great but definitely subluminal speed.
Basically, the way it is depicted would require most of the locations in the movie not just to be part of the same star system, but the same planetary system, like many moons around a gas giant, so close to each other would they have had to have been (I hope this is the correct grammar :D) for the scene to be remotely realistic.

**I saw his Nu Star Trek movies on TV, and still cringe from the scene where the Enterprise, engines disabled, magically starts falling out of lunar orbit... towards Earth. Seriously? It wouldn't even fall down in the first place, but even if it would (i.e. only if it weren't actually on orbit but on a powered high-altitude hover, which is unlikely as in Star Trek lore it is pretty established that ships go into orbits, it's even literally spoken about often enough), it would fall down onto the moon, not Earth.

Also, how unlikely is it that the ship parked there is the Millenium Falcon, and the very same day it is flown again after a long while, Han Solo happens to be in the same system to recapture it (iirc they didn't go to hyperspace but were caught shortly after leaving the planet). Yeah, suuuuure.

I was quite surprised by the final scenes. I was dead sure the credits would roll right after the Falcon launched, and we were to wonder whether they would find Luke where the map showed them, and we wouldn't get to see Luke at all beyond Rey's vision.

Also: the next movie better has a good explanation why R2D2 reactivated in that moment, because I hate deus ex machina that is never explained, I find it an incredibly cheap, as if the writer(s) had no idea at all what to do so they just let the macguffin magically appear for no reason.

Also: I can imagine the small piece of the map being too little to know Luke's whereabouts if it doesn't contain the last stop on his journey, but the large piece, which basically a map of the entire galaxy, would be more than enough to determine where he may be hiding (that is if he had not moved somewhere else without marking it on that map). And how it comes R2D2 had a sufficiently large piece of the map that the rest is not needed, yet the resistance never thought about, like, physically connecting to its hard disk or whatever and read it out directly. "The robot has been in sleep mode ever since" - "Well remove the hard drive and check what's on it!" But that is not the worst part. The worst part is: the First Order had all of the map except the piece held by BB8. So they had enough to already find Luke anyway. (You could reverse it and say only the small piece has the final location, in which case the data from R2 is superfluous, there was enough it that smaller chunk to determine the location by comparing the systems with a larger map of the galaxy. So no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make sense.)
 
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Nowhere in any canon material is it said that only the Jedi can equip a lightsaber. (That's some weird AD&D way of thinking, people, 2nd edition tops!)
After having read some of the new Marvel Star Wars comics, I have to agree (the comics have Han, Leia and others wielding lightsabers as well at one point) - but only so far as to say that this is one aspect that Marvel has clearly changed in the old canon. The old canon stated that lightsabers were highly unwieldy and required Force affinity to use (hence the power staffs etc. similar weapons for non-Jedi) - and this canon was followed by all the authors who, like Timothy Zahn, were provided with background material from the Star Wars RPG for their novels, as said here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Roleplaying_Game
 
Some of the below spoilers are affected to some extent by the novelisation that was based on an earlier script (not sure if Abrams had already had his hand in that one as well).

So I finally got to see it, too. Very me gusta.

The worst part was when the Nu Deathstar was activated to "destroy the republic". The speed at which the tip of the beam progressed was clearly subluminal, yet somehow it reached another system however many light-years away (and in Star Wars these distances are over rather large, as the entire galaxy is inhabited yet travel times are days at the most extreme), and the protagonists on an entirely different system saw the beam in the sky*
This was also my pet peeve and I hoped to find some explanation in the novelisation. Unfortunately, it was almost as bad. Apparently, the "shot" from the big gun did travel at superhigh speeds and hit only one planet - and that planet turned into a mini-Nova which destroyed the rest of the star system. Ok thus far, but the novelisation also has Han Solo looking at all this bright light happening from several light years away, using some sort of a visor to connect him to the NavComp on Millennium Falcon to figure out which system it was. So, different, but as silly as the version they filmed.

Also, how unlikely is it that the ship parked there is the Millenium Falcon, and the very same day it is flown again after a long while, Han Solo happens to be in the same system to recapture it (iirc they didn't go to hyperspace but were caught shortly after leaving the planet). Yeah, suuuuure.

In the novel, Han Solo explains that a homing beacon activated when the Millennium Falcon's engines were turned on and that they were "lucky" to be in the area to reach it so quickly.

Also: I can imagine the small piece of the map being too little to know Luke's whereabouts if it doesn't contain the last stop on his journey, but the large piece, which basically a map of the entire galaxy, would be more than enough to determine where he may be hiding (that is if he had not moved somewhere else without marking it on that map). And how it comes R2D2 had a sufficiently large piece of the map that the rest is not needed, yet the resistance never thought about, like, physically connecting to its hard disk or whatever and read it out directly. "The robot has been in sleep mode ever since" - "Well remove the hard drive and check what's on it!" But that is not the worst part. The worst part is: the First Order had all of the map except the piece held by BB8. So they had enough to already find Luke anyway. (You could reverse it and say only the small piece has the final location, in which case the data from R2 is superfluous, there was enough it that smaller chunk to determine the location by comparing the systems with a larger map of the galaxy. So no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make sense.)

The entire map thing was silly. It seemed that they actually did not even need it. All they needed was an address. The whole deal with the map had me expecting the next film to be about someone following the map, gathering clues and eventually finding Luke. But they seemed to go there directly without any need for a long search, so all they needed to find out was the system and planet name where Luke was hiding.
 
My favourite scene was where Finn wanted to rush to help Rey with the two guys trying to kidnap BB8, but she handled them all on her own, fighting with her quarterstaff. I am a sucker for quarterstaff fighting (and other polearms btw), plus it showed her as someone who can manage on her own. :)

BB-8 is hilarious in that scene. He does a perfect impression of a dog with a towel over its head.
 
I've seen TFA twice now, and it was better the second time around. The last scene bugged me a lot though. I finally came up with a theory that explains it, but I'm pretty sure a lot of fans (including myself) aren't going to believe it. I started a new thread about SW theories in the off-ropic forums. I don't want to spoil anyone's day on this thread.
 
I've seen TFA twice now, and it was better the second time around. The last scene bugged me a lot though. I finally came up with a theory that explains it, but I'm pretty sure a lot of fans (including myself) aren't going to believe it. I started a new thread about SW theories in the off-ropic forums. I don't want to spoil anyone's day on this thread.

Time to cross the franchises...

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