How do you feel about the 2 weeks exclusivity period?

That's way too long post with same rehashed arguments for first build having 2 weeks testing with alphas. Also you forget to mention that rest of beta builds will get as short as few hour window for alphas.

-1 from me.

I did not forget that and cover it in my original post.
 
Instead of all the debate, I believe it would be helpful if FD were to state clearly their intentions and thinking behind the release schedule. It is after all up to them and speculation and non-communication on such matters always leads to difficulties.

Peace - Naz
 
We (Beta Backers) have a definite date for Premium Beta, 30 May, something that has been absent until now.

If allowing a limited group of players early access makes it more likely that this date will be met and that the first round of beta is more stable, then I'm all for giving the alpha backers 2 weeks early access. In fact, I'd be willing to give them longer if it increased the likelihood of the deadline being met.
 
Fascinating that you'd prefer to call me names, demand the thread be closed, imply I need some kind of emotional support rather than have a discussion on the matter.

I don't think anyone said you needed emotional support. I was merely sending up the "how do you feel" question. But on reflection, you do seem quite sensitive...
 

Yaffle

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That is not the case. I had it clarified if you follow the link to the original announcement thread. It is a hard two weeks, if the build has no issues it will still last two weeks.

I think it's just the first build, that's all. Consider it an alpha five (heck, it may turn out to be alpha four, we don't know) and after that gets a bedding in it will become "premium beta".

Thereafter it seems most likely to me (actually confirmed below by Michael) releases will be made to alpha types, and if there are no show-stoppers the releases will be passed to the beta folks. That may be in the order of hours assuming there are no show-stopping bugs.

There won't be enough time in the universe if every build has to have a two week test cycle before the main test cycle. For example alpha is on 3.4 at the moment, so that's 4 3.X releases. Or eight weeks just in "alpha" phase of "beta" if extrapolated to the beta phase.

In other words, it's pretty much as Michael said the other week, just the first build is released to alpha for a hard two week period. Of course, I may be wrong.

Now, go and shoot some toxic waste canisters everyone.
 
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FD has now said 30th for Beta - and they've decided they want to run it through the alpha testers first.

That's it - job done - their reasoning behind it is irrelevant and trying to second guess it is pointless.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
The two weeks refers to the period for the last alpha build, with the first premium beta build being on May 30th. From that point on builds will go to the alpha testers first to make sure there are no showstoppers, if there are then we fix them and produce a new build. How long that process takes is obviously unknown, if no problems are found then the build would get pushed to the premium beta testers fairly quickly.

Michael
 
I don't think anyone said you needed emotional support. I was merely sending up the "how do you feel" question. But on reflection, you do seem quite sensitive...

Can you blame me? 3 pages in so far that the Elite defense force is in full effect with their "stop whining" and "close the thread" crap. They'd rather censor than debate. I do not believe I made one statement that was incorrect, I prefaced all my opinions with IMO to indicate it was just my opinion, I did not use hyperbole in case Noodle took offence. I didn't swear, I didn't call out any other backers etc... just pointed out in a reasonable way something I wasn't happy about that contradicted previous statements from FD.
 
The two weeks refers to the period for the last alpha build, with the first premium beta build being on May 30th. From that point on builds will go to the alpha testers first to make sure there are no showstoppers, if there are then we fix them and produce a new build. How long that process takes is obviously unknown, if no problems are found then the build would get pushed to the premium beta testers fairly quickly.

Michael

So, A4 on the 15th of May!

You heard it here, folks. :cool: :D

Oil and fire - they match!
 
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I think you're getting the response you're getting Kingston is because this issue caused a HUGE fight with the forum users. With both sides getting quite heated. We're just getting over it and this thread seems intended to stir it up again.

A lot of people on both sides of this argument are probably just tired, happy there's a firm date and as a priviliged alpha don't want any more hate thrown at me that has nothing to do with anything I did other than support the game.

It feels like I can't comment on this because 'you're an alpha, what do you know?' which has already been thrown at me.

Compare this to 'you can't understand race because you're white' arguments and you realise how petty this stupid little divide between us is. We're only people who had differing amounts of money available a year ago.
 
Following on from the recent announcement that the Alpha exclusivity period is two weeks rather than hopefully a few hours how do backers feel about this?

There were a couple of large threads after the last newsletter with many points regarding the exclusive access and 50% off insurance which were basically put to bed when Michael posted that the exclusivity period would only be a few hours if all went well.
This may or may not still be the case for subsequent beta build releases but the initial build will have a 2 week exclusivity period starting around the 16th of May (2 weeks before the 30th of May) LINK.

I can understand the desire to do a sanity check before releasing beta builds to beta testers but since the initial exclusivity period is a hard 2 weeks it flies in the face of the sanity check as if there are no issues with the build then beta tester should in theory be given access but they won't be and will have to wait the two weeks out.

My personal take on it is that I don't it's very fair to suddenly just when the Alpha period is coming to an end to withhold access to the Beta that beta backers pledged for to sell more Alpha packages. Some may argue that this isn't the case but the timing of the announcement along with the wording of the newsletter and the subsequent announcement that the exclusivity period is a hard 2 weeks rather than just a sanity check would IMO prove that it is indeed just a lure to snag more £'s.

I would be surprised if FD suddenly needed extra money due to the fact the game has been funding to the tune of 2.45 million pounds just via crowd funding, in addition to the funding they received from other sources.
Is this something you want to see in a company that you help fund a game for? Does your love for the older games and passion for the upcoming game mean that you don't really care what FD do as long as they deliver the goods?

It is not my intention to cause a ruckus here (so please let's have an adult debate) but just to point out something which I do not feel is on and to have my objection (and probably other people's) noted so that FD are aware that their backers do not appreciate what could be considered an underhand practice (changing goal posts, using the pledge tiers of other backers as an incentive to make more money). The game is being made by the grace of us backers after all.

I think its a brilliant Idea, Alpha backers have freely given FD a large sum of money to be part of alpha, having the beta build in an alpha state and given to the Alpha backers is a very professional approach to testing, i also think it is very generous of frontier to offer the Single player Alpha build to the Premium beta backers, unless it will be released as a free demo, Beta testers should not feel that they are entilted to it, but FD have given access to keep you going until the full Premium Beta begins at the end of May. you pledged to take part in premium beta and that is exactly what you are getting, those who pledged to be part of alpha are also getting exactly what they pledged for, commenting on why the Alpha backers are getting a alpha build two weeks before it becomes a beta just comes accross pointless.
 
The two weeks refers to the period for the last alpha build, with the first premium beta build being on May 30th. From that point on builds will go to the alpha testers first to make sure there are no showstoppers, if there are then we fix them and produce a new build. How long that process takes is obviously unknown, if no problems are found then the build would get pushed to the premium beta testers fairly quickly.

Michael

Michael could you please lay out a definitive statement telling us what will be released on the 30th May, what will be released on the 16th of May and if anything is expected to be released before as FD seem to have made so many contradictory statements today, it is driving a lot of the confusion/anger in these threads.
 

Sir.Tj

The Moderator who shall not be Blamed....
Volunteer Moderator
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, can we please remember to be civil to each other when discussing things.

Thanks everyone. :)
 
Well .. afterall the Alpha backers paid £200 for a computer game, so let them have their fun.

I guess we'll forever be second class citizens. We cheapskate £100 betas get what little we paid for. 120 €. $168. Just don't ask us to like it.
 
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Can you blame me? 3 pages in so far that the Elite defense force is in full effect with their "stop whining" and "close the thread" crap. They'd rather censor than debate.
I'm not one of the "Elite defence force". I've been happy to criticise FD when warranted, and I supported you earlier when you asked a reasonable question.
But this horse has been flogged to death, and it's time to let it go and move on. If you're not happy at this stage, then it's just tough. Nothing is going to change, so you'll just have to live with it. Raising the topic again and again is a waste of time, which is why people want to see the thread closed. Nothing to do with censorship.

I did not use hyperbole in case Noodle took offence.
Appreciated. I didn't see any hyperbole, and if this was the first time this issue was being raised, there'd be nothing to complain about ;)
 
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