Yes PVP is unfair.

I personally feel that PvP is OK as it is.
I think those who invade PvE Private Groups are Barnacle Lickers of the worst sort.

@bootsam - Why do you have an Empire watermark and a Federation signature? Just curious.
He's actually one of the Alliance's best 5th columnists.;)
 
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@bootsam - Why do you have an Empire watermark and a Federation signature? Just curious.

I'm sorry Motti, I dont know what you mean. Please elaborate.

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I'm waiting for a possible punchline at my expense. It'd better be funny. :)
 
I'm sorry Motti, I dont know what you mean. Please elaborate.

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I'm waiting for a possible punchline at my expense. It'd better be funny. :)

Sorry. No punchline. Your forum watermark is an Empire symbol. It's there to show your allegiance. For comparison, mine is a Federation symbol. It's on the top right of all posts, kind of ghosted. You have a Mobius signature that has a Federation symbol on the right. It's also there to show allegiance. I was a little confused about that, but looking at others, I see Federation Watermarks with Empire sigs here and there too, but just in the Mobius group. Maybe it's a random thing?
 
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If people are going PvP in Mobius, it's easy to get away from that too. Just make your own private group and invite your friends to play there. You can always go back to Mobius later if you want.

Like it's been said before, nobody is forcing anyone into PvP. Any time you have player contact, you expose yourself to the potential. If you're afraid of stranger danger, don't expose yourself.

And the obvious response is that nobody is stopping you from setting up a pure PVE group and letting the cooperative players in the playerbase do their stuff unhindered.
 
It favours pvp in open and discriminates against pve in open. Thats just the way it is.

Not in the least. Open is whatever you make of the environment. And the environment is constantly changing. When I play the environment in Open--and I do every time I log in, I never know what I'm going to expect. Most of the time I'm looking for humans but sometimes I'm just farting around. I've had plenty of sessions where I've seen a few humans but no PvP ever occured. We all went about our merry business.

Open is open. Don't make it into something it is not.

Go PvE in Open. Do it all you want. By all means, enjoy PvE in Open. Nothing is stopping you. I PvE all the time in Open. But I can also PvP when I want to, too. It is all part of one great, exciting environment.
 
Not in the least. Open is whatever you make of the environment. And the environment is constantly changing. When I play the environment in Open--and I do every time I log in, I never know what I'm going to expect. Most of the time I'm looking for humans but sometimes I'm just farting around. I've had plenty of sessions where I've seen a few humans but no PvP ever occured. We all went about our merry business.

Open is open. Don't make it into something it is not.

Go PvE in Open. Do it all you want. By all means, enjoy PvE in Open. Nothing is stopping you. I PvE all the time in Open. But I can also PvP when I want to, too. It is all part of one great, exciting environment.


How would someone go about being sure none of the other Commanders use you as content? How can you be sure to have the experience you want, if you don;t enjoy PvP? There is just one way, just don;t log in in Open. You can get all that Open has to offer, without becoming content, or emergent, or what ever you want to label it, in Private Groups. It was a stroke of genius when FD, and the backers, created the multi-mode system we have now. We've been given the ability to choose, we should all do so. Open will be fine without us.
 
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How would someone go about being sure none of the other Commanders use you as content?

That argument is growing stale. I'm using you as content right now on this forum. Frontier is using you as content when they sell expansions by collecting your money--you are their content. Other drivers are using you on the road as content whenever you leave your house. Your employer uses you as content when you show up to do stuff for them. Your family uses you for content. You friends do. The Earth does with the environmental impact you make by drinking water, breathing air, flatulating, eating food, disposing of waste and picking up sticks.

We are all content, all the time.

So please, stop with the same old tired excuse we here on these forums. We are all content, like it or not, no matter what we do. Thus it is a silly argument to make.
 
That argument is growing stale. I'm using you as content right now on this forum. Frontier is using you as content when they sell expansions by collecting your money--you are their content. Other drivers are using you on the road as content whenever you leave your house. Your employer uses you as content when you show up to do stuff for them. Your family uses you for content. You friends do. The Earth does with the environmental impact you make by drinking water, breathing air, flatulating, eating food, disposing of waste and picking up sticks.

We are all content, all the time.

So please, stop with the same old tired excuse we here on these forums. We are all content, like it or not, no matter what we do. Thus it is a silly argument to make.


I'm not buying it. In real life I am certainly not anyone's content. That assertion is ridiculous. Your argument fails on it's face value. It seems desperate really.

In Elite I can completely assure I am no one's content. That option is called Solo. I can choose what kind of content I am in Elite by logging into a Private Group, with a rule set different from open. The only Mode I cannot control my experience is in open. Open has nothing over any of the other modes, for me. I just hope others can see the fact that open won't miss them, if they choose another way to play.
 
Mr Blastman, with the greatest respect, you once again miss the point and swerve off towards a path of your own choosing. I do not wish to converse with you. Good day sir.
 
Really? Can't say I agree.

Strikes me that "Open" should support the needs of the majority.
I get that a "group" (did consider saying a minority, but I don't think we actually know that do we).

For those in favour of open meanig PvP, what's the issue of asking you to join a PvP dedicated environment? Surely you don't feel marginalised by the suggestion, as if you did, you wouldn't have suggested it as a suitable mechanic for the non-PvP players.

Let me take this a step further and say that maybe open should mean "cooperative". PvP by it's nature is a purely destructive element and frankly a counter-productive element within human society to the expansion of the race to other areas of space.
So, please, PvPers, go create your own group and see how you get on.

You seem very polarized with your view on open - PvP vs. PvE. It's actually a spectrum of wonderful, exciting possibilities (although there is definitely room for improvement too).
Open yourself to the true meaning of 'open play' and then you can make your choice.
 
And here was I thinking that this forum supported primarily reasoned debate, and not a response suitable for the World of Tanks forums. Please, don't continue to destroy your credibility with that type of a response.
I don't claim credibility.

This discussion is as boring as all the others on the same topic that circle endlessly, like a floater around the u-bend that can never quite bring itself to disappear. It's a pointless, cyclical and circular discussion that a month or so back would have rightly been folded into the open/solo/group hellhole megathread where it belongs.

I'll put your arrogance down to your being new.
 
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I'm not buying it. In real life I am certainly not anyone's content. That assertion is ridiculous. Your argument fails on it's face value. It seems desperate really.

In Elite I can completely assure I am no one's content. That option is called Solo. I can choose what kind of content I am in Elite by logging into a Private Group, with a rule set different from open. The only Mode I cannot control my experience is in open. Open has nothing over any of the other modes, for me. I just hope others can see the fact that open won't miss them, if they choose another way to play.

You are. You ARE everyone's content in real life. Like it or not, you ARE. When you were born, you were a doctor's content. You were your mother's content. When you consume electric power, you are a power plant's content. You are the worker's content in the plant. Without your consumption of electricity, they would have no purpose. You provide content for them to work for. When you use the commode, you provide content for those at the water treatment plant to enjoy. When you go to the movie theater, you provide content for the ticket taker and those who sweep the isles when you leave. When you pay at a parking meter, you provide content for the meter maids. When you cross the street, you provide content for other drivers.

By living... you are content. And unless you live in a cabin in the woods, grow your own food, cut down your own trees, build the cabin yourself... aw, heck, you are STILL content. You are the animal's content. You alter the environment just by living!

You are content.

And when you post on these forums, you are Frontier's content. They are using you. They are using me. They are using all of us as content.

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Mr Blastman, with the greatest respect, you once again miss the point and swerve off towards a path of your own choosing. I do not wish to converse with you. Good day sir.

Thank you for making my point, eloquently. Open is about forging a path of your choosing. It is whatever you make of it. PvP, PvE, PvS--whatever you make of it. Good day.
 
I'm not buying it. In real life I am certainly not anyone's content. That assertion is ridiculous. Your argument fails on it's face value. It seems desperate really.

In Elite I can completely assure I am no one's content. That option is called Solo. I can choose what kind of content I am in Elite by logging into a Private Group, with a rule set different from open. The only Mode I cannot control my experience is in open. Open has nothing over any of the other modes, for me. I just hope others can see the fact that open won't miss them, if they choose another way to play.

if you are in open then you are game content.. granted you may well be terrible game content (possibly not?) but never the less game content. every one and everything else is game content to you.
if you are in mobius you are game content. less likely to be terrible game content there, but who knows you could be.. again every one and everything else is game content to you.
If you are in solo your ACTIONS can affect the other game modes (PP, CG, trade prices) so even there you are part of the game content. and likewise every one elses actions can affect your solo play, so they are also game content.

You have a tenuous grip on how the game works if you think any differently.. it is how the game was designed. and how it is..
 
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For those that are concerned with being interdicted and dying, there's an escape. It's been talked about over and over.

When you enter a system, throttle down close to the star and open your galaxy map. Map a route that's at least two jumps away. Make sure you have a low wake and a high wake mapped to your keyboard. (I have S for Supercruise and H for High Wake). If you're interdicted, or you have a hollow pointy hat coming toward you, high wake to the first system. Drop out of Supercruise and high wake to the next system. Your chances of being followed are pretty much nil.
 
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You are. You ARE everyone's content in real life. Like it or not, you ARE. When you were born, you were a doctor's content. You were your mother's content. When you consume electric power, you are a power plant's content. You are the worker's content in the plant. Without your consumption of electricity, they would have no purpose. You provide content for them to work for. When you use the commode, you provide content for those at the water treatment plant to enjoy. When you go to the movie theater, you provide content for the ticket taker and those who sweep the isles when you leave. When you pay at a parking meter, you provide content for the meter maids. When you cross the street, you provide content for other drivers.

By living... you are content. And unless you live in a cabin in the woods, grow your own food, cut down your own trees, build the cabin yourself... aw, heck, you are STILL content. You are the animal's content. You alter the environment just by living!

You are content.

And when you post on these forums, you are Frontier's content. They are using you. They are using me. They are using all of us as content.

I just can't accept that. You are reaching well beyond what can be supported. In the end that is your opinion. Another opinion I do not share. If you want to split hairs, and go to google to get a definition, feel free. But, don;t expect you will convince me that in RL I am anyone's content, like we use the word, here, in this context.

PvP is unfair, and that's ok. If you want to avoid unfairness, you have the tools. Don;t let some crazy notion that open is anything more than a matchmaking choice drive you to make choices you don't want to.
 
I just can't accept that. You are reaching well beyond what can be supported. In the end that is your opinion. Another opinion I do not share. If you want to split hairs, and go to google to get a definition, feel free. But, don;t expect you will convince me that in RL I am anyone's content, like we use the word, here, in this context.

PvP is unfair, and that's ok. If you want to avoid unfairness, you have the tools. Don;t let some crazy notion that open is anything more than a matchmaking choice drive you to make choices you don't want to.

Like it or not, even if you play Solo mode, you are our content in Open. You influence the entire background simulation. You are content. There is no escape unless you do not play.
 
i dont think the people who play open will ever agree with the ones that dont.
those of us who do play open stuck with it. decided that is what the game is and accept the risks "very minimal risks to be fair"

It is HIGHLY uncommon to get interdicted. CG raises the Chances a lot, but even then i was only interdicted 1ce at the latest CG. and never in any previous one..
(i was only interdicted because some one called me a grifer because i chased them out of the combat zone for stealing my kills)

So i really dont see why pople like to pretend that open is a horror show.
 
if you are in open then you are game content.. granted you may well be terrible game content (possibly not?) but never the less game content. every one and everything else is game content to you.
if you are in mobius you are game content. less likely to be terrible game content there, but who knows you could be.. again every one and everything else is game content to you.
If you are in solo your ACTIONS can affect the other game modes (PP, CG, trade prices) so even there you are part of the game content. and likewise every one elses actions can affect your solo play, so they are also game content.

You have a tenuous grip on how the game works if you think any differently.. it is how the game was designed. and how it is..


Yeah, a tenuous grip indeed. You know, as well as everyone else, that I used the word 'content' for it;s meaning, and impact, in this discussion. It has a contextual meaning not tethered to it's official definition here on these Forums, and in this type of discussion. If the word 'content' is going to bunch up your undies, I will use the word 'entertainment', or better yet 'victim'. Splitting hairs over the use of one word shows the desperation, and lengths some will go to to win an argument, rather than being correct.

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Like it or not, even if you play Solo mode, you are our content in Open. You influence the entire background simulation. You are content. There is no escape unless you do not play.


You can cease, I don;t buy it. I can choose not to be a victim, what the word content was meant to convey, by choosing a mode that excludes that unfair PvP we are discussing. I am not RL content, and I am not a Elite victim. You'll just have to learn to live with that.
 
Yeah, a tenuous grip indeed. You know, as well as everyone else, that I used the word 'content' for it;s meaning, and impact, in this discussion. It has a contextual meaning not tethered to it's official definition here on these Forums, and in this type of discussion. If the word 'content' is going to bunch up your undies, I will use the word 'entertainment', or better yet 'victim'. Splitting hairs over the use of one word shows the desperation, and lengths some will go to to win an argument, rather than being correct.
But you're the one entering into the "I'll use the word with my own special meaning that's different from everyone else's" game. In short, you're the one splitting hairs.
 
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