2) new computer comes in a few days, that's good to know thanks!
Combat Loggers... how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?
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2) new computer comes in a few days, that's good to know thanks!
ok to put it on the same lvl with your state of question, yes I am sure! ok? To give some more info, because it seems that you cannot understand due to a lower level of understanding combat logging vs exiting in main menu, you cannot boost, try to dodge, and also wait for timer. Indeed someone said that the timer needs to be increased to 30-45' on the other hand....
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And how can you tell?
You are asking a loaded question that has literally no right answer. Unless he was playing in the same room as them, I don't find it likely he saw how they logged off. However, you can usually tell if they pull the plug because they stop taking damage and sit still for a while and then disappear.
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That's exactly what should be done. If they can't play in Open without EXPLOITING to get out of bad situations, then they shouldn't be allowed to be in Open.
Combat logging should be awarded with a 30 sec delay, so that the combat logger can be destroyed or have a chance to be destroyed. I have former combat logged even in alpha, because I got attached to my ship and didnt have insurance. So its a kind of combat log "sickness", to avoid the sickness spreading in open, we need longer time before the ship despawn so there is a risk to combat logging also. And people would rather fight than combat log. But I can see that traders and explorers holding huge quantities of goods or data wont like this and tend to combat logging. Or even people which are flying without insurance. Even those who dont like to loose will combat log. Its a hard nut to crack. People get attached to their ships and credits. Who wants to loose millions of credits, maybe days of progression and their ship to a psycho or a griefer which plays only to murder others. But, there is a but. If you play in open you play in open. Then you need to know the risk you are taking and follow the rules thereby. And maybe accept that you can get griefed/murdered. I know, I know we all been there. Its not easy to debate this sickness we call "Combat logging".
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While this is the best solution, it can't be done with a p2p infrastructure which is why there is so much debate on another solution
But it's never ever going to happen - if they don't ban people for shield hacks or infinite energy why will they even look at disconnecting using Alt F4?
People who like to pop other commanders on a KOS basis need to understand that other players WILL stop them spoiling their own game through instance swapping through CL - the PvP crowd nee to move to a different target or different game
Bans won't happen
People who like to pop other commanders on a KOS basis need to understand that other players WILL stop them spoiling their own game through instance swapping through CL - the PvP crowd nee to move to a different target or different game
Bans won't happen
Why should we have to move on to a different game? Fdev should do their job and ban hackers and exploiters instead of staying quiet and deleting all of the forum posts calling them out.
Maybe they were playing in Open because of the enjoyment of playing in a cooperative manner with other people.
Clearly, we're unaware as to the circumstances. e.g. were they the bad guys, wanted already, shooting up innocent other CMDRs. Or were they simply haulers, jumped by a player who fancied showing them who's boss.
There's a 50+ page thread about PvP vs PVE in open, maybe you should join that. The key thing being said in there was that Open is OK as a place to kick other players. Can't say I agree.
My personal view is that right now, the rules allow a LOT of things that shouldn't be the case in open, including combat logging, and a LOT of undue piracy and wanton destruction.
The answer is NOT the players. It's the LAWS that should be applied at various levels in human space. Right now, they're simply inappropriate for a thriving economy, as they have too little penalty for the bad guys.
Solve the laws, you'll solve how the players play.
Clearly, we're unaware as to the circumstances. e.g. were they the bad guys, wanted already, shooting up innocent other CMDRs. Or were they simply haulers, jumped by a player who fancied showing them who's boss.
There's a 50+ page thread about PvP vs PVE in open, maybe you should join that. The key thing being said in there was that Open is OK as a place to kick other players. Can't say I agree.
My personal view is that right now, the rules allow a LOT of things that shouldn't be the case in open, including combat logging, and a LOT of undue piracy and wanton destruction.
The answer is NOT the players. It's the LAWS that should be applied at various levels in human space. Right now, they're simply inappropriate for a thriving economy, as they have too little penalty for the bad guys.
Solve the laws, you'll solve how the players play.
clipper, python, anaconda, FAS all the same, but how many vipers, asps , haulers? just askin' out of curiosity
Vipers, asps and haulers, usually are new guys who don't really know what the abbreviation CL means...I can include some Vulture unfortunate commanders too on this list. :/
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nah the thread was about CL, and how dealing with the issue... I am not interested in the PVEvsPVP thread.
Fix the crime system, extend the combat log timer, ban hackers and exploiters that are reported with evidence, and then maybe we'll see PvE and PvP players enjoy each other's company. The issue is that Fdev won't do any of that anytime soon. They don't work on core issues they just make new broken things to draw in new players with ooooh shiny.
You are complaining that people aren't obeying a rule they've never heard of? Don't you think that the answer might be to tell them about it, rather than block them?
Also there is no "rule" book in Elite and I would guess the vast majority of players don't visit the forums and hear the terms like combat logger, fanboy, carebear and all that salty tears dross and nonsense that gets banded around.
So I would guess they are just playing the game how they want to play it oblivious to any enraged "HARDCORE" PvP peeps being denied their pixelated exploding commanders.
I had no idea what private groups were about and the real difference between open and solo before coming on here. Never mind the other 1000 or so things I have learned.
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