well thats cause its only happends to combat loggers lol
Combat Loggers... how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?
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well thats cause its only happends to combat loggers lol
Quite shocking that you think it needs to happen to you before it's allowed to be a thing.
EDIT: It's never happened to me either, but it does happen to a mate on a semi-frequent basis. Under cruder 'combat logging' detection systems suggested, even by devs, he'd end up being convicted of a crime he hasn't committed. That is why FD need to be careful about this, and I still say that they're well aware of how unreliable such a system will be which is why one isn't in place already.
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it is an exploit and the punishment if caught is the same.. (currently only reports of CLing seem to lead to people being caught, so its only humans that do it. and they are encouraged to report it by the devs.) so a npc cant report you so you should be safe to cheat against an npc.
"but as i said in a previous post that i just quoted in my post above, i dont think shaddow bans are the best way to deal with combat logging at all. because i do understand some people may well be trying to run this game on a pentium 4 with a 5770 or similar, and you know what if thats what they can afford then i cant say anything against it. but they probably will be crashing a lot, and who knows maybe they are also on a 56k dial up modem.. I dunno.
that means a bit of leniency is a good idea, and the damage model i suggested above should make it a pretty fair system for all, its more fair than being banned. and a lot more fair than the real solution i would like to see "combat loggers end up in a sidewinder with 1000cr and no other ships"
like i said 1 sec i needed to get the quote..
now read what i say in the quote and try again.
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Ah, I thought you just said the other way round, with trying the other modes where they don't punish and that.
Firstly, if your post isn't ready then don't post it. Basic forum etiquette.
Secondly, I've read your post and it demonstrates that you understand that certain undesirable behaviours can result from inadequate in-game mechanics, such as wonky Crime & Punishment and traders not really having a reliable way of descerning one dangerous location from another (in terms of Human piratical/seal clubbing activity). I don't agree with the mechanics of many of your suggestions, or the lack of objectivity in some of what you say, but they're being picked over in another thread; no need to do that here.
Yes, combat logging is naughty.
No, FD can't tackle it until they understand why people do it. Then FD should tackle those reasons first.
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As far as im aware "and i could be wrong here" Combat logging is only punished after you get reported for doing so. FD actively encourage people to report combat loggers. so it would seem to be the case.
if that is true then you cannot be punished for combat logging vs a npc as they cant report you. "although they may be able to track that too??. but if they did im not sure why they would need us to report ppl)
And as far as im aware If groups like mobius allow combat logging "though i have no idea why they would" then fd cant really punish people for doing it there either (although they possibly could)
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if they fix combat logging 1st then you can vigelantee the griefers and gankers and that will stiop them griefing and ganking.
if the griefers and gankers can combat log they have no deterrant and just commbat log then go back to griefing and ganking..
So combat logging needs to be fixed 1st.
and the reason for every combat log is.
Some people get really attached to pixels. so they would rather cheat than lose them..
that is the same for the jerks, griefers, player killers, gankers, traders, solo players who attacked the wrong npc (and so on)
so the reall problem is the people. but we cant change them can we.
and just changing the punishment system wont make a blind bit of difference to combat logging.. people will just combat log to the npc police. and combat log before they die and so on just like they do now..
Why?? because it means they dont loose their valuable pixels.
so the only way to progress is to fix combat logging 1st.
if you have a imortality cheat in the game. You fix that before adding more things that can kill you for being a jerk. otherwise you know.. you wasted your time because they will just use the immortality cheat.
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is the definition of irony saying "if your post isnt done dont post it" then adding an edit to your post?
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My point is that to me, there is a difference between an exploit and cheating.
Cheating is specifically stated as against the EULA. Banning players seams appropriate.
Using exploits is not specifically stated as against the EULA. (I didn't find it, if I missed it, please provide a link). Exploits should be fixed by the developer, not by punishing the players. Or, all exploiters should be treated the same. Do you think someone exploiting the BB system (by changing modes as an example) should be banned? Or those who have used other exploits to make millions or even billions of credits (that FD let them keep) should be banned?
I agree with you that FD considers CL wrong. What I disagree with is the severity of the crime.
Welcome to just about every multiplayer game that there's ever been. I suggest you try to come to terms with that fact as best you're able to for ED because something tells me that FD are not going to be the devs that solve this one.
this is a link inside the eula that you said you read and agreed too..
https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct
from the eula
https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/
also the devs said that changing modes to refresh the BB is not an exploit.
it was something they did not expect players to do but it is not an exploit.
in that regard my opinion on that matter is irrelevant so i wont bother saying anything about it, because my opinion is different to the devs. and so my opinion is wrong. (simple as that)
as for the billions of credits, not sure how that went. so cant really comment on it. but they seem to say that they will punish every exploit cheat or bug use that they catch, and possibly ban. So dunno thats their definition you have to check.
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Puddingcake, I sympathise but not having a PC that is capable to run the game isn't an excuse to cheat. But that said you have now upgraded your GPU so you shouldn't have a problem with it
Puddingcake, I sympathise but not having a PC that is capable to run the game isn't an excuse to cheat. But that said you have now upgraded your GPU so you shouldn't have a problem with it
THERE ARE NO EXCUSES! WIVES, DOGS AND CHILDEREN INCLUDED!!
i had a some one blow up my asp once because my wife needed my help and i just went to help. no time to do all that ctrl alt delete nonscense. no time to escape and go to menu either..
Was i happy to find some one exploded my asp whilst i was afk?? no..
did i go to mobius? no..
Did i start combat logging?? No..
Do i still enjoy the game.. Yes.
Was i happy to find some one exploded my asp whilst i was afk?? no..
did i go to mobius? no..
Did i start combat logging?? No..
Do i still enjoy the game.. Yes.
But then, if nobody other than an NPC is hurt by someone doing it, who cares?
the issue with that is your actions "in every mode" effects every other mode. so it is an issue, although as the devs say it is primarily an open issue but is also an issue with solo and so the punishments will be the same for both. (but again im pretty sure they dont know you combat logged to an npc, because they keep telling us to report combat loggers)
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Easy Solution:
When coming to Open, a message should appear that warns: "Make sure you play in a stable conection"
Then change this in game only for OPEN, when a ship its in combat, if it gets disconnected, make it explode.
Also make trades 10% more rewarding, and make Bountys Permanent for life with an extra 10% add to them.
End of the story and problem solved.
When coming to Open, a message should appear that warns: "Make sure you play in a stable conection"
Then change this in game only for OPEN, when a ship its in combat, if it gets disconnected, make it explode.
Also make trades 10% more rewarding, and make Bountys Permanent for life with an extra 10% add to them.
End of the story and problem solved.
Sorry to hear that Puddingcake, if you are from Australia and suffering bad internet connections. On the other hand it is not OK to not apply such mechanics because one country has its connection problems.
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\dont forget the doorbell. seen ppl here on the forums outraged that they cant pause the game while answer the doorbell. got killed points finger and yells Griefer.
ppl the whole world doesnt evolve around you. happy trucking in open you can get killed , dont pull a alt f4 , enter solo mode.
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