Exactly, see what I try to say.
We need multiplayer mechanics that make Elite a game worth to play online
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Exactly, see what I try to say.
Welcome to Elite!
Once you completely understand and accept that - everything else makes sense.
I think it's been an awesome emergent multiplayer experience.
Did you join The Battle of Lugh as player fought player to liberate a system?
Did you sweat and battle or avoid the Pirates of Code while making friends bonding on the long Hutton Run?
Have you joined to protect or meet fellow CMDRs at the mysterious Barnacle locations?
No?
Hmmm, to quote an ancient Earth entertainer named Ferris Beuler,
"Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop to look around, you may miss it."
Did you join The Battle of Lugh as player fought player to liberate a system?
Did you sweat and battle or avoid the Pirates of Code while making friends bonding on the long Hutton Run?
Have you joined to protect or meet fellow CMDRs at the mysterious Barnacle locations?
No?
Hmmm, to quote an ancient Earth entertainer named Ferris Beuler,
"Life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop to look around, you may miss it."
That argument can be made to some degree of every mechanic in ED regardless of how many players are participating, together or alone. I don't see what this particular comment has to do with the premise of your thread, it has very little to do with multiplayer at all, let alone PvP.
Ridiculous. Of course it can. Just because some people don't want to participate, they seem to think that Frontier would be wasting time and effort in creating fun PVP events. But really that is a selfish view, not a technical limitation. Plenty of people enjoy playing competitively with other human players. And they can do it without developing a toxic attitude or forcing anyone else to participate.
It's a big galaxy. You don't have to move over to make room for other people's preferred way of playing. You just have to mind your own business and not worry about what other people are doing. Sheesh.
You aren't connecting the dots. I'm not sure how you can lump PP and Emergent play together. They are almost mutually exclusive. I wouldn't make assumptions about my, or any others' interests. You are dead wrong. I have two very pressing (to me) matters with the BGS.
I'm afraid what you consider meaningful wouldn't get me to click on open. Face it, what you want is for FD to make PvP the object of the game. Good luck with that.
Could you provide me a link to the "old, original" launch site? I took a screenshot a while ago, but didn't think it would be necessary to keep it. It was more or less litereally written on the old page. emergent, multiplayer, gameplay, expanding universe etc.
Where on earth is the "emergent gameplay" about those you list? They are pure PvP-focused arena-based combat. There's nothing "emergent" about them - you run around shooting stuff until you die then you respawn and do it again. That gameplay "emerged" with doom deathmatch and other than graphics quality it hasn't changed a bit since. Sure it's fun, it can be a challenge, particularly if you are facing a skilled opposing team, but is it emergent in any way shape or form? Not in the least.
Calling a bunch of run&gun PvP FPS games "emergent" while claiming the variety of gameplay styles embraced by Elite and the various ways its community chooses to create new game content are somehow not boggles the mind.
Robert Maynard
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PvP is a source of emergent. Real players react in an inpredictable way. Here again: Watch the video of Obsidian Ant, he explains it very well.
You do affect the game, you affect factions and the background simulations and through that the game, yes one person is not going to be able to control the world, that is not going to change.
As for PvP being 'meaningful' it is already meaningful, for example if you want to keep people out of your factions system and whatnot? plenty of ways it can be meaningful.
Now if you have already replied to this, I'm sorry, didn't read, but what exactly do you mean when you say meaningful, when you say have an effect on games? and what do youmean but needing multiplayer mechanics in the first part? do you mean coop missions and such? being able to split missions rewards? that sort?
I don't keep old copies of the advertising material - that's why I was asking....
Sorry, I should have kept it. Took the screenshot(s) when I was discussing that multiplayer thing last year. : D
It's hard to see that the NPC-based community simply doesn't see that there are many people who bought the game for the interaction with other players. That's from my perspective an unpolished pearl which could keep Elite up to really go for the 10 year planning horizon. But well, I just skip it when I get to tired to argue and look for alternatives, even though it is a nice game and I like it.
I think it's important to remember there are two parts to every message.
What is intended (Sent), and what is understood (Received).
When you have multiple recipients, who are all understanding something different about your intended message (which will always be the case with individuals), there are going to be some mixups, and some interpretations that may contradict one-another.
That doesn't make one interpretation necessarily wrong relative to another.
Meh.
What is intended (Sent), and what is understood (Received).
When you have multiple recipients, who are all understanding something different about your intended message (which will always be the case with individuals), there are going to be some mixups, and some interpretations that may contradict one-another.
That doesn't make one interpretation necessarily wrong relative to another.
Meh.
Hmmm, maybe I've not correctly interpreted this part:
I'm now curious about "the massive restriction".
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Given that every player is encouraged by Frontier to "play the game how you want to", it's up to the players to do just that. Some will want to PvP, some won't. No-one can be forced to play the game in a particular way to suit other players - there is no requirement for any player to offer themselves as content for others - unless they choose to, of course.
If the "many people who bought the game for the interaction with other players" (presumably PvP given the tone of your first few posts) got together then I'm fairly sure that they could come up with some form of engaging gameplay that would suit them.
I found this link to an old description of the game on the Frontier site (Dec'2013): http://web.archive.org/web/20131223071757/http://elite.frontier.co.uk/about
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Emergent play can indeed include PvP. PvP is not a source of emergent play. What you are talking about, the difference in challenge between players and AI, is not an element of emergent play. It's just a measure of the AI's capability. Obsidian Ant and I do not often see eye to eye, and I am not sure which of his many clips you are referring to.
The AI is not responding to me at all, or in general mot anle to interact in a meanigful way so far. Either it's like simple, or (after a patch) like too strong. AI is not capable of substituting human interaction still. It's just boring to kill 3.940 AI ships or get a 'Hey, what are you up to. Stop. I have to scan your ship' scripted line in the communication window. Sorry, my time is too valuable to waste it for that kind of stuff. Liked it as a 12 year old boy, but really grew up and need meaninful things to enjoy in my life other than doing repetitive, computer generated stuff and waste my lifetime on this planet.
If you like to dump your time in algorythms and repoduced mechanisms, fine for you. I need more than that. It's too valuable to be on this planet than to dump hundreds of hours into a computer generated, repetitive entertainment cycle.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140803221237/http://www.elitedangerous.com/?
Here's the rest.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140515000000*/http://www.elitedangerous.com
Feel free to look about.
Then you are simply playing the game for the wrong reasons. All of the content, besides CQC, are PvE based. On purpose. To afford players across all of the Modes an opportunity to enjoy the game they bought. You are going to have to pick yourself up and find the kind of content you desire. Join a player groups that is PvP focused.