Giant monitor => weightless VR?

Ziljan

Ziljan
I just took the advice of a friend and tried plugging my PC into my 46" TV. Was previously using a 27" gaming monitor.

In a word: WOW.

Turns out I've been playing the game wrong for almost a year. Now I can see so much more, even at the same 1080 resolution. I am cleaning house in CQC. Exploration is a grand visual feast. And best of all, now that my screen is roughly "life-sized" I feel like I'm really in the cockpit! My stomach even drops when I buzz neutron stars or get too much air in my SRV. Head tracking works soooooo much better as well since I don't have to use my peripheral vision to look 90 deg anymore! I can just look at the top/right/left half of the screen! Actually look AT the screen to check my flanks. It's nothing short of game changing.

Its almost like having free VR, just by carrying my TV from the living room into the computer room.
 
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Jon flint

Jon flint
Head tracking definately works better on a larger screen, feels much more natural.

The only downside I found to going bigger (42" 4k tv for me) was that my usual 1920x1080 res suddenly looked a lot more pixelated and needed either supersampling/DSR or just an increase in res to get it to look "right" again :)
 

777Driver

777Driver
Ziljan said:
I just took the advice of a friend and tried plugging my PC into my 46" TV. Was previously using a 27" gaming monitor.

In a word: WOW.

Turns out I've been playing the game wrong for almost a year. Now I can see so much more, even at the same resolution. I am cleaning house in CQC. Exploration is a grand visual feast. And best of all, now that my screen is roughly "life-sized" I feel like I'm really in the cockpit! My stomach even drops when I buzz neutron stars or get too much air in my SRV. Head tracking works soooooo much better as well since I don't have to use my peripheral vision to look 90 deg anymore! I can just look at the top/right/left half if the screen! Actually look AT the screen to check my flanks. It's nothing short of game changing.

Its almost like having free VR, just by carrying my TV from the living room into the computer room.
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In all fairness dude, my setup is 3 46" TV's with trackIR (for DCS), it has been made completely redundant with VR. It's not even remotely close to experiencing everything in true size and depth. Everyone holding off consumer versions are in for a big treat.

Pretty much ruined gaming for me, prior to going the VR routes I thought trackIr and big screen TV's was the ultimate experience. Now I can only play VR compatible titles. It's like going from a game boy to a high end rig.

Still, big TV gaming is pretty awesome, I still have a PS4 hooked up to the big screen for fallout & GTA :D
 
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Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
I tried it a few weeks ago while the wife was away... Had to get some help moving the dam thing but it was worth it... Managed to get it all back in place without her indoors being any the wiser! :D
 

Zelos1983

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777Driver said:
Pretty much ruined gaming for me, prior to going the VR routes I thought trackIr and big screen TV's was the ultimate experience. Now I can only play VR compatible titles. It's like going from a game boy to a high end rig.
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Would you recommend the OR or HTC Vive?
I plan to get VR when it's mature, but I'm worried about the low resolution.

Also, it's not going to be a replacement for me, as I usually watch movies and chat on my other screens while playing.
 

777Driver

777Driver
Zelos1983 said:
Would you recommend the OR or HTC Vive?
I plan to get VR when it's mature, but I'm worried about the low resolution.

Also, it's not going to be a replacement for me, as I usually watch movies and chat on my other screens while playing.
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Am going for the HTC first. Will go for the CV1 once we can share cockpits/bridges in multi crew. Regarding resolution, I've been very happy with the DK2, if you are used to gaming at 1920x1080 then it's fine, I crank up the supersampling and looks great. The Vive & CV1 should give it that extra crispness when combined with supersampling.

My screen setups are 4K, I wouldn't dream of going back to that over the DK2. The TV's still get used (mainly for films and youtube), VR is not a complete replacement.
 
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Cmdr Wullfen

Cmdr Wullfen
Zelos1983 said:
Would you recommend the OR or HTC Vive?
I plan to get VR when it's mature, but I'm worried about the low resolution.

Also, it's not going to be a replacement for me, as I usually watch movies and chat on my other screens while playing.
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worried about the resolution? Oculus Rift consumer is 4k at 90fps

no contest especially where elite is concerned. even the dev kit 2 is night and day from a flat screen
 

TaoZero5

TaoZero5
Frank said:
I'm a terrible pilot, but I actually do better than expected in CQCC because of the advantage my VR helmet gives me over the flat-o-vision players.

Now when people ask me if they should get a VR helmet my answer is "nah!.. it's not worth it" <cheeky grin>
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+rep for being frank
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
777Driver said:
Still, big TV gaming is pretty awesome, I still have a PS4 hooked up to the big screen for fallout & GTA :D
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I may get some VR in the distant future but tbh I can't even see in actual stereoscopic 3D in RL because I'm effectively a cyclops, with one eye that is so poor it is just there for show. So I probably won't even see VR in 3D, hence the difference between VR and flat screen is marginal in my case. In fact, flat screens can look "3D" to my brain with head tracking because that is how eyes see the world already, lol. So here's a case were a handicap becomes a boon, or at least a money saver. ;)
 
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CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE

CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE
Right, if I can get the kids off the TV I'm going to try this on my new 48" if only to see ED in 4k. My graphics card is HDMI 1.4 not 2.0 so will have to put up with only 30Hz.

777Driver said:
Regarding resolution, I've been very happy with the DK2, if you are used to gaming at 1920x1080 then it's fine, I crank up the supersampling and looks great. The Vive & CV1 should give it that extra crispness when combined with supersampling.
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What about if you are used to 3440x1440? This is what concerns me, I have a CV1 on pre-order, I'm worried that I will be very aware of the drop in resolution.
 

Elan

Elan
I'm playing on a 40" 4k monitor from Korea with an EDTracker and the experience is amazing!

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I think VR, not to mention the GPU's to properly support it has some way to go before I'll be willing to trade up.
 

Jon flint

Jon flint
Ziljan said:
I may get some VR in the distant future but tbh I can't even see in actual stereoscopic 3D in RL because I'm effectively a cyclops, with one eye that is so poor it is just there for show. So I probably won't even see VR in 3D, hence the difference between VR and flat screen is marginal in my case. In fact, flat screens can look "3D" to my brain with head tracking because that is how eyes see the world already, lol. So here's a case were a handicap becomes a boon, or at least a money saver. ;)
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Sounds like your in the same boat as me, my right eye is mostly decorative thanks to keratoconus. So I tend to see everything in 2d anyway. Although I still like the dk2, it obviously doesn't have the same impact for me as it does for folks with 20 20 vision.

I remember that Duh moment when I brought a 3dtv about 5yrs ago, got it home only to realise you really needed 2 working eyes!
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
Jon flint said:
Sounds like your in the same boat as me, my right eye is mostly decorative thanks to keratoconus. So I tend to see everything in 2d anyway. Although I still like the dk2, it obviously doesn't have the same impact for me as it does for folks with 20 20 vision.

I remember that Duh moment when I brought a 3dtv about 5yrs ago, got it home only to realise you really needed 2 working eyes!
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I feel your pain! "Luckily" for me, my issue is an underdeveloped ocular nerve in my left eye. And the previous 3D tech that alternated black frames actually forced my brain to see in 3D for the first time in my life. I was so happy I almost cried from joy in the store demo, seeing what every one else sees for the first time at age 30 something. Like getting a cochlear implant I imagine?

Unluckily, VR doesn't alternate black frames, so my brain will just ignore the left side image. Just like looking through binoculars, no 3D for me. Just extra peripheral vision cues. Just like a large monitor. ;)

I definitely plan on trying VR because I think it might eventually train my brain to see in 3D, simply because the image is close and bright enough to resolve in my bad eye. But the $1200 (VR + card) entry fee is a bit steep. I'm hoping they come down in price and weight in the next couple years.
 
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777Driver

777Driver
MAIN SEQUENCE said:
Right, if I can get the kids off the TV I'm going to try this on my new 48" if only to see ED in 4k. My graphics card is HDMI 1.4 not 2.0 so will have to put up with only 30Hz.



What about if you are used to 3440x1440? This is what concerns me, I have a CV1 on pre-order, I'm worried that I will be very aware of the drop in resolution.
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I guess it depends on the individual. I would imagine most people visualise VR as having a monitor with trackIR stuck to your face. It's much more than that, as mentioned many times it turns the simulation into real life, doesn't matter how high the resolution is on my screens, they can't come anywhere near close to replicating the feeling I get from actually being there inside the simulation.

Whenever my mates come round I switch ED to 4K so they can see what I'm doing, as soon as they are gone I'm straight back to VR

@Ziljan - I know a few people on this forum that run the DK2 but are not able to see in 3D, the experience and sheer size & scale of everything is still worth it.
 

Hell Razor5543

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Ziljan said:
I feel your pain! "Luckily" for me, my issue is an underdeveloped ocular nerve in my left eye. And the previous 3D tech that alternated black frames actually forced my brain to see in 3D for the first time in my life. I was so happy I almost cried from joy in the store demo, seeing what every one else sees for the first time at age 30 something. Like getting a cochlear implant I imagine?

Unluckily, VR doesn't alternate black frames, so my brain will just ignore the left side image. Just like looking through binoculars, no 3D for me. Just extra peripheral vision cues. Just like a large monitor. ;)

I definitely plan on trying VR because I think it might eventually train my brain to see in 3D, simply because the image is close and bright enough to resolve in my bad eye. But the $1200 (VR + card) entry fee is a bit steep. I'm hoping they come down in price and weight in the next couple years.
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You might want to take a look at the Deepoon E2. I found out about it somewhere on this forum;

http://www.virtual-reality-shop.co.uk/deepoon-e2/

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=232671
 
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Flimley

Flimley
Back in the day I had my PS2 running a high end projector and used a white melamine board (2.4Mx1.2M) as the screen. In addition to this the sound was routed through my Arcam hi-fi and B&W speakers. Man, when you drove right up to the back of a car in GTA3 the car....was car sized ! Great days indeed.

Now I run three 22inch screens primarily as I don't have the space for anything larger. So am using these until VR is well sorted.
Flimley.
 
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