General / Off-Topic Intergalactic Womens' Day

Martian Successor

Martian Successor
Arry said:
The whole subject is based on sexism and so cannot be avoided.

International woman's day is just about demands for equality and has been for over 100 years.
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Nope. International Women's Day started life as International Working Women's Day. It's a general celebration of women's economic, political and social achievements and contributions to the species - it was/is a socialist thing. Those crazy socialists eh? It's a celebration of achievement and a reminder of hard earned respect first and foremost.

Later on (when it got adopted by more Western countries) it incorporated a call for equality message as well because... why not? Gender inequality was/is a big problem in some societies (including the so called progressive Western societies) and it still very much exists. Not talking about it ain't gonna make it go away. I don't know where you see the "demands" part but you're probably listening to the wrong crowd misinterpreting the meaning of Women's Day.

Arry said:
As far as most gender relations are concerned, wherever you go across the planet, the matriarch is controlling most family units.
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And you've personally visited all households across the planet, country to country, and witnessed that 90% of all families are controlled by a matriarch? Well Saudi Arabia begs to differ with you. As do a ton of other places.

Arry said:
Males are nagged, or blackmailed and bribed into agreeing with ideals that go against their very nature. Political correctness has gone insane over gender issues in the western society; to the point, where the best option for the average male, is to bow his head and agree with the woman making the demands and accusations against them, as a whole. We pay the debt of centuries of so called the oppression of our forefathers and continually do all we can to appease, the cry for equality. Today, many males in the western world, find themselves lying to the females around them, on a number of issues, simply to keep the peace. They tend to say one thing and then do something else; because it is not in the males interests, to oppose or be honest, with the female in their lives. It is up to the male to prove that the female is equal to them, even if we have to make concessions, such as 'positive discrimination', quota systems and even lowering the bar, for required achievements in some areas of life and work.
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I don't mean to sound harsh but this seems to be a personal issue that you're working through here. That's not been my experiences at all. I've grown up surrounded by strong, brave, loving, intelligent, fiercely determined, and independent women (and men for that matter). I've never had to make any concessions nor have I been asked to do so by any of the women in my life - I'd probably get my butt kicked by some of them if I suddenly started acting all meek around them by not arguing my points or just agreeing with them for the sake of it.

Arry said:
Agreed, yes there are many males that exploit and abuse, the power and strength they have over physically weaker females, in their lives; but at the same time, these males, do the same, to any weaker males they find that they can exploit etc. These male have been used as an example of 'male oppression' for centuries. Used to beat down and punish those, who have no wish to oppress, exploit or abuse, others, be they female, or otherwise. These individuals need holding to account, not the male of the species as a whole.

As individuals, we can achieve anything we desire, within the realms our own individual capabilities.
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We can indeed achieve anything we desire as individuals within our own capabilities, that is of course when we're not being kept down because of the colour of our skin or the fact of our gender. Then things get harder when they shouldn't have to.

Arry said:
There are many Olympian females, that can out run, out lift and out class, 99% of all fit males alive, but these are individuals. There are many intelligent females that have I.Q.s far higher than most males alive and the same applies across the spectrum of human activity. This dose not mean that because of the 'rules of equality', every female is equal, to every male and the mind-set, that demands such things, needs to be changed. There are areas in life, where the female, will always surpass the average male, in capability and achievement, but that dose not give anyone the right, or assumption, that we are all equal. If this was the case, then we would all compete, equally, side by side, on the Olympic track and field.

There is not and can never be, true equality of the genders. Accept this fact, accept the capabilities of the individual. Accept what we can achieve and the positive values of who and what we are. We must not use the example of the crude and base among us; as a stick, to beat down a whole section of society.
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Women are women and men are men, yes. We are different yet we are all human beings. And as human beings we each deserve to be treated equally, as people, do we not?

Arry said:
Males have feelings too and you can guarantee, somewhere, their is a female, just waiting to exploit that weakness.
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I don't know what you mean by this in the context of gender equality? People sometimes do hurtful things to each other, they sometimes take advantage of each other's perceived weaknesses, yes. It's not exclusively perpetrated by men to women, women to men, etc.

Arry said:
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No such thing any more: Gentleman, have just mastered the art of telling you what you think you need to hear.
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As long as there still exists an appreciation for kindness, compassion, tact, good manners and honourable conduct I would think the term Gentlemen and Lady would still apply. I'd also settle for the good old fashioned term of "decent human being".
 

Dbrn47

Dbrn47
Siobhan said:
And this shows why... :p
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Ah, come on, it was a silly Elite related joke. I actually had no idea it was related to a real life day. I don't pay attention to things like this, because to me, we're all equal in sex and race, thus there's no point in celebrating something like this for me. I appreciate everyone, especially Women, every day, so I don't need 1 day to give that love back, I have the whole year for it. Enjoy. :)
 

Arry

Arry
Martian Successor said:
Nope. International Women's Day started life as International Working Women's Day. It's a general celebration of women's economic, political and social achievements and contributions to the species - it was/is a socialist thing. Those crazy socialists eh? It's a celebration of achievement and a reminder of hard earned respect first and foremost.

Later on (when it got adopted by more Western countries) it incorporated a call for equality message as well because... why not? Gender inequality was/is a big problem in some societies (including the so called progressive Western societies) and it still very much exists. Not talking about it ain't gonna make it go away. I don't know where you see the "demands" part but you're probably listening to the wrong crowd misinterpreting the meaning of Women's Day.


And you've personally visited all households across the planet, country to country, and witnessed that 90% of all families are controlled by a matriarch? Well Saudi Arabia begs to differ with you. As do a ton of other places.


I don't mean to sound harsh but this seems to be a personal issue that you're working through here. That's not been my experiences at all. I've grown up surrounded by strong, brave, loving, intelligent, fiercely determined, and independent women (and men for that matter). I've never had to make any concessions nor have I been asked to do so by any of the women in my life - I'd probably get my butt kicked by some of them if I suddenly started acting all meek around them by not arguing my points or just agreeing with them for the sake of it.


We can indeed achieve anything we desire as individuals within our own capabilities, that is of course when we're not being kept down because of the colour of our skin or the fact of our gender. Then things get harder when they shouldn't have to.


Women are women and men are men, yes. We are different yet we are all human beings. And as human beings we each deserve to be treated equally, as people, do we not?


I don't know what you mean by this in the context of gender equality? People sometimes do hurtful things to each other, they sometimes take advantage of each other's perceived weaknesses, yes. It's not exclusively perpetrated by men to women, women to men, etc.


As long as there still exists an appreciation for kindness, compassion, tact, good manners and honourable conduct I would think the term Gentlemen and Lady would still apply. I'd also settle for the good old fashioned term of "decent human being".
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It is not until you get into your 50s, do you really understand, the males need, for a garden shed.
 
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