(info) First bonus for playing in OPEN under consideration for PP
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Greetings.
Good to push Open play over Solo. Waiting for some time now to see Frontier move.
By design, one can influence the basic game by going offline - not a good thing in my book. Best solution for the inbuilt discrepancies, would be to split
the two modes completely. Now, pushing Open a bit is a compromise.
Good to push Open play over Solo. Waiting for some time now to see Frontier move.
By design, one can influence the basic game by going offline - not a good thing in my book. Best solution for the inbuilt discrepancies, would be to split
the two modes completely. Now, pushing Open a bit is a compromise.
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I did PP for a while, in Open, saw another player maybe twice and both times, they were with the same power I was, said hi, how ya doing, and that's it. Funny thing was, I could see how the stats for a system I was in were going, and SEE clearly that a lot of players were undermining the system I was in, but...there wasn't anyone around, so I couldn't do a damn thing about it, nothing at all, which seemed rather messed up to me, still does.
PP isn't the same as playing around with the BGS, anyone who does both knows this, and groups actively trying to undermine another power do so in Solo or Group so that they can NOT be prevented from doing it. That's a screwed up design in place there is what that is, since PP is something WE'RE supposed to be directly influencing, it's meant to be a player vs player thing, but due to the mode system, it's not.
I don't mind the idea Sandro tossed out, but I'd rather not see it implemented, I'd rather see PP redone totally to be an Open only deal, since it's meant to be a player vs player situation by it's very design. And of course I'll be crucified by the 'play your way/blaze your own path' crowd, who'll I address once...within the context of the game, which you ALWAYS leave off those statements because it rather ruins your point. PP isn't mean to be a solo thing, it's meant to be a player vs player in large groups thing, that is it's very nature, and right now it's anything BUT that and we all know it. Want to do PP, fine, get your ship into Open and do it, because you are directly effecting the game for everyone else doing PP, who will also have to be in Open, so there's no advantages to anyone, as there is right now. Might actually make PP worth messing with, since it's currently a joke to anyone but a few hardcore people, it's done to get the toys and salary and that's it, no one gives a damn about the Powers, just what they can GET from playing PP, which they do in Solo or Group so they can just get the rewards without risk. That's bogus.
PP isn't the same as playing around with the BGS, anyone who does both knows this, and groups actively trying to undermine another power do so in Solo or Group so that they can NOT be prevented from doing it. That's a screwed up design in place there is what that is, since PP is something WE'RE supposed to be directly influencing, it's meant to be a player vs player thing, but due to the mode system, it's not.
I don't mind the idea Sandro tossed out, but I'd rather not see it implemented, I'd rather see PP redone totally to be an Open only deal, since it's meant to be a player vs player situation by it's very design. And of course I'll be crucified by the 'play your way/blaze your own path' crowd, who'll I address once...within the context of the game, which you ALWAYS leave off those statements because it rather ruins your point. PP isn't mean to be a solo thing, it's meant to be a player vs player in large groups thing, that is it's very nature, and right now it's anything BUT that and we all know it. Want to do PP, fine, get your ship into Open and do it, because you are directly effecting the game for everyone else doing PP, who will also have to be in Open, so there's no advantages to anyone, as there is right now. Might actually make PP worth messing with, since it's currently a joke to anyone but a few hardcore people, it's done to get the toys and salary and that's it, no one gives a damn about the Powers, just what they can GET from playing PP, which they do in Solo or Group so they can just get the rewards without risk. That's bogus.
pure brilliance.
thanks for posting here!!
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Oh i like this.
Yes. PP should be Open only. I'm totally onboard your train of thought.
But I do also understand people who bought this MMO game and wants to enjoy PP (hey attacking different factions! war! conflicts! bonus!) *without* playing with another real player (LOL - no really i do get them. it's not like FD offering a non-MMO standalone version of ED).
Meh I say to them. Bonus for Open is a great solution.
Imo the problem with treating open and solo the same is that you then dont provide any pvp activities within the game mechanics. Like missions which pit players (or groups of players) against each other directly. The bulletin board is a massive wasted opportunity for an in-lore matchmaking system in open. Solo is perfect for people that want isolation. Open should be perfect for people that want interaction, with an extra set of dedicated open missions putting players in each others way at every opportunity. Why do solo players care what's happening in open anyway?
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As the OP, NO, it is not. I said why I posted it here...because people who don't PP likely never would have seen it. Now that they have seen it, they should think about how the same logic (Sandro's) would likely be applied to other aspects of the game. That can be discussed here.
OP -I've modified your thread title since it was misleading. You said its coming. So far its just Sandro says he likes the idea and thrown it out there for the community to give feedback.
Secondly, closing this thread since Sandro's thread already exists and is the place to discuss it: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237773
Secondly, closing this thread since Sandro's thread already exists and is the place to discuss it: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237773
OP has appealed on the grounds that the other discussion is going on in the PP subforum and therefore not visible to people who do not go there.
Since this potential change does have possible ramifications outside of PP, i've agreed to reopen the thread.
Please try and keep it polite, friendly, and possibly more focused on what it might mean for people who do not participate in powerplay (at least currently... maybe this change will encourage you to play?).
Since this potential change does have possible ramifications outside of PP, i've agreed to reopen the thread.
Please try and keep it polite, friendly, and possibly more focused on what it might mean for people who do not participate in powerplay (at least currently... maybe this change will encourage you to play?).
i for one will never give this company another penny if they go down this path. this is a slap in the face for us solos. just give e my offline mode
You are second class player in multiplayer feature, thing you didn't even want.
If your bandwidth is not great. The wife/kids downloading stuff or listening to music/streaming a film can turn open into solo. Also if your router is not set up well you might never see another player in open. Also fd left access to setting's in the game where you can turn off upnp too thats without even looking at your router. I am sure solo pp players will just log into open for the bonus and switch off the other players if they so wish. After all its your network not fd, s and I have been told upnp is not the safest thing to have open on your network
Part of my concern is that if the devs accept this logic...
"At the moment, any way I slice it, I can't come to any conclusion other than Commanders in Open Play have a tougher time than those in Private Groups or Solo." - Sandro
...then how do they NOT apply it to other aspects of the game?
- trade, missions, turning in exploration data, BH kills and turning in bounties, CZ kills : All of these impact faction influence levels in BGS where players are competing with NPC and usually other player groups for control of stations/systems.
What parts of the game are left that don't 'deserve' a bonus for playing in Open because you have a tougher time by potentially facing other humans?
"At the moment, any way I slice it, I can't come to any conclusion other than Commanders in Open Play have a tougher time than those in Private Groups or Solo." - Sandro
...then how do they NOT apply it to other aspects of the game?
- trade, missions, turning in exploration data, BH kills and turning in bounties, CZ kills : All of these impact faction influence levels in BGS where players are competing with NPC and usually other player groups for control of stations/systems.
What parts of the game are left that don't 'deserve' a bonus for playing in Open because you have a tougher time by potentially facing other humans?
"Unlike community goals, Powerplay is a swinging balance - ie solo players are also balancing solo players."
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140036&page=3&p=2145533#post2145533
David Braben said that..
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140036&page=3&p=2145533#post2145533
David Braben said that..
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Why are solo players now mad? Literally NOTHING would change for them. Frontier realizes that open is simply not the same as solo or private and tehrefore has to have a different ruleset. A wise man once said "Don't try to fight for equality when things are inequal." It is like with males and females. males are usually stronger while females have a better instinct (applies to animal and human culture). It can be tried to achieve thigns to be fair but that doesn't mean that things have to be equal.
Fairness does not mean equality.
C'mon man, you can't be saying that with a straight face.
Think of it this way. Sandro could have said, "...and my potential solution is to reduce the effect of those playing in Solo/Group, and it will probably be significant". See? That's no different, in effect, than what he actually said.
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