(info) First bonus for playing in OPEN under consideration for PP
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Solo wasn't a replacement for offline, who told you that? Solo, Group and Open were offered from day 1, offline was demanded by the KS backers and was added 3 weeks before the KS ended. During development they realized it wasn't feasible and axed it, since it wasn't part of the initial offer anyway. From the getgo, online multiplayer game, everything impacting everything else, whatever the mode, which is part of why offline got axed.
I think a bonus for PP players in open is very fair.
But it will not really affect me personally as I am not that interested in influencing PP.
I took part for personal gains only.
I do not actually care whether a Power adds a star system to his/her collection or not.
I have been pledged to one and the same Power from the start (still am), but I am no longer actively participating because the merit decay is too demotivating for me.
It is nigh impossible to actually reap the rewards from the rank 5 bounty hunt bonuses.
To be and stay rank 5 you need to dedicate all your time to merit grinding. There's no time left to do anything else.
I succeeded in staying rank 5 for 3 weeks, but after that my spirit was broken.
I hope FD will do something to address this.
But it will not really affect me personally as I am not that interested in influencing PP.
I took part for personal gains only.
I do not actually care whether a Power adds a star system to his/her collection or not.
I have been pledged to one and the same Power from the start (still am), but I am no longer actively participating because the merit decay is too demotivating for me.
It is nigh impossible to actually reap the rewards from the rank 5 bounty hunt bonuses.
To be and stay rank 5 you need to dedicate all your time to merit grinding. There's no time left to do anything else.
I succeeded in staying rank 5 for 3 weeks, but after that my spirit was broken.
I hope FD will do something to address this.
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Can we then also make player playing in wings of 4 having less effect then people playing Solo? 
Incorrect. It is only a modifier (if it even happens) for PP, not credits or any other facet of the game. So no it's not the same. You lose nothing and Open players don't gain anything either. It is only affecting PP powers. Nothing else.
Once you add a bonus to one part of the game you make it more likely that the same bonus will be added to other similar parts of the game, such as community goals, as the exact same arguments would apply. It would be the thin end of the wedge.
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I understand that the proposed change is for PP. Please read post #138.
And Open players ARE gaining something...more impact for their effort than those not in Open.
Personally, I think it should go well beyond PP, I think 'everything' you do should pay significantly more when your playing in open -vs- solo
I think it would help making the higher risk of being in open more profitable as an 'incentive'. Seems logical to me.
I think the game is much enhanced when seeing other players online in it. Anything that encourages Cmdr's to play in open is a good thing!
I think it would help making the higher risk of being in open more profitable as an 'incentive'. Seems logical to me.
I think the game is much enhanced when seeing other players online in it. Anything that encourages Cmdr's to play in open is a good thing!
So why that statement? It serves no purpose but to be inflammatory and make you out to be a victim, which isn't true. PP is by it's very designed meant to be a player vs player mechanic, Solo players shouldn't even be capable of doing it, nor should Group, it should only be an Open option due to that. Since you don't even want the multiplayer aspects at all, what do you care about PP?
Can we then also make player playing in wings of 4 having less effect then people playing Solo?
Why? Sandro was pretty clear, PP Open modifier would only apply to the PP influence stuff, players wouldn't get anything for it, no extra credits or anything. Mind you, I don't like the idea, I say make PP Open only and be done with it, it's a player vs player mechanic, it should only be accessible to the people willing to accept the risk that comes with player vs player game mechanics, not people in Solo or Group who don't have to face that.
For once, I feel like this needs to be merged with OvSvPG megathread, the amount of brigading going on by non-powerplayers is unreal
I thought the three play choices were just that, choices. If you choose Open, well there you go, that was your choice and you have to deal with the pro's and con's.
When I choose Solo, that's my choice, and I have to deal with the pro's and con's.
If Open get's optimized, does Private and Solo get some kind of alternate optimizations? Each has their pro's and con's, so fair is fair, right?
When I choose Solo, that's my choice, and I have to deal with the pro's and con's.
If Open get's optimized, does Private and Solo get some kind of alternate optimizations? Each has their pro's and con's, so fair is fair, right?
Yes, just brilliant. Alter the basic structure of the game that everyone thought they signed up for, rather than just implementing player options to display CMDR and hollow icon in Open as has been suggested since Alpha.
A classic FD approach. Make a change that will alienate most users to placate a vocal minority instead of taking the obvious simple fix.
FD just never ceases to amaze when it comes to decision time.
A classic FD approach. Make a change that will alienate most users to placate a vocal minority instead of taking the obvious simple fix.
FD just never ceases to amaze when it comes to decision time.
This thread is about how the PP change might migrate in to changes elsewhere in the game. Those potential "changes elsewhere in the game" are what should be discussed here.
This is awesome. It's about time Open is getting the recognition it deserves. Bonuses are warranted and acceptable for participating in the superior experience Open brings to the universe.
While I personally favor the way of denying influence out of solo/private (merits would still be rewarded with no difference to open), Sandro makes a good compromise here. FD realizes that open is simply different to solo and private and they also realise that PP is meant to be a competetive feature. But being competetive without someone to directly compete with is just a stupid attempt to please the majority of the player base. Competition means that if someone wins, the other one loses so therefore there will simply not a be a win-win situation.
I don't understand why people who WANT to play powerplay do it in solo. Why should they have a virtual border that seperates them from their hostile counterparts so they can not DIRECTLY. This sounds like "I want to work against others and give them a disadvantage but without them being able to threat me."
We can all agree on this sentence being completely unlogic but it sadly reflects the intentions of some players.
Furthermore I totally agree that there should be an offline mode for those who want it. Some single/solo palyers don't wish to aprticipate in multipalyer and the BGS at all so why not giving them their own personal universe? Open players complain less about solo players doing PP while pure singleplayers get what they want. Win-Win.
However, the main conflict here is that tehre is indeed a possibility to avoid active system blockades which are intendet to control a system. A group of 4 players have the power to decide which ships may or may not enter a system but unfortunately modes and instancing allow for a sneaky backdoor which makes the whole idea of a blockade pointless and the result is a trigger-simulator of mass destruction and cargo delivery.
There is a good reason why things like player escorts, piracy and palyer bounty hunting are near to pointless in this game.
If Sandro wanted to test the waters on how players feel about the prospect of using bribes to perk up open's population, I would hope that he reads all of this, and comes to grips with the Slippery Slope troubles this would unleash. Immediately upon the mention of his quote those that favor open were already calling for an across the board bonus. There was no consideration of the small, focused scope of Sandro's suggestion, it just went straight to 100 calling for open to be blessed with increased rewards for anything they do.
What does having to bribe players into open say about it's environment? FD are already holding player interaction hostage to PvP, and has found it isn't enough to entice a healthy population into open, so more measures must be taken to keep the PvP aspect filled with enough targets for them to stay interested. Let's hope that in the end they stick to their assertions that all of the modes are equal, and that no mode should be propped up above another.
What does having to bribe players into open say about it's environment? FD are already holding player interaction hostage to PvP, and has found it isn't enough to entice a healthy population into open, so more measures must be taken to keep the PvP aspect filled with enough targets for them to stay interested. Let's hope that in the end they stick to their assertions that all of the modes are equal, and that no mode should be propped up above another.
It has nothing to do with bribery. What it does is level the playing field with folks who abuse Solo and Group easy mode to get higher rewards and control in power play and community goals. No longer can they hide in their safety veil and expect to come out on top due to reduce opposition and struggle. Now they will have to struggle harder, like all of us who accept the challenges that Open brings while simultaneously competing with folks who do not.
This is good. Make it so!
good to see somebody who gets it,
Yes? well i have no interest in PP or CG... i simply want to play this game, shoot some NPC´s, explore some planets, upgrade my stuff. i do not care about what any1 else is doing in-game. I would love it, if the modes where split permanently, then maybe all this whining could stop.
I hope that FD will add some more and better game mechanics instead, so time in the game gets more enjoyable for me and i guess for you all as well.
Uhh hiding in easy mode? fact is u are simply not part of what like to do in this game.
Lets keep it so.
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It's not really encouragement is it, it's coercion. You could be making more credits faster, and there by reducing your grind to buy X ship, merits etc, but only if you play in Open.
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