Bonus for PP in open sounds sensible to me.
(info) First bonus for playing in OPEN under consideration for PP
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Bonus for PP in open sounds sensible to me.
Can't disagree with that! That argument was also made ad nauseum during Alpha/Beta/Gamma.
FD is now reaping what they have sown by ignoring that topic back then. If what you did in each mode had no effect on what you were doing in the other modes, these arguments wouldn't be happening.
FD isn't trying to bribe more players into Open. Open is already filled to the brim with eager PvPers enjoying the balanced PvP of combatting exclusive combat builds in winged formats. The PvPers in Open are ecstatic to see all the week sauce traders flee to Solo and Group modes. Thus there is no need to buff/nerf Open. It is merely a balancing issue.../speculative sarcasm
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I see this argument all of the time, but no one has quantified any benefit to flying in Solo, besides the avoidance of a certain type of player. It is all just a construct that helps to create some aura around open. Why should some player's personal game choices, cause the game to be modified in their favor. All of the blessings are available to all of the Commanders out there. They should learn to take advantage of the perceived ease of Solo, rather than complain about it. For some reason people that identify themselves as open players feel entitled to gains just because of their play time choice. It's pandering in the worst way.
Wrong, you make no more credits than anyone else in any other mode, the PP influences are what get modified, that's it.
Indeed =_= lets just perma split those modes, we each choose where we wanna go. CG and PP split as well. (or they can stay in open for all i care). problem solved.
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Please let them know in the PP thread I linked in the OP.
For discussion here, what do you think about post #138 of this thread?
Good idea, makes perfect sense. Hope it gets implemented soon.
Yes. The Private and Solo have the pro of you not being killed by me.
Yes. The Private and Solo have the pro of you not being killed by me.
The difference between all those and PP is that they are the same regardless of mode, PvE mechanics that don't vary. PP is a player vs player mechanic and you rather totally bypass that by going into Solo/Group.
That's the difference, it's not exactly subtle or hidden or hard to spot, but hey, you did start this thread with a different title to fear monger, so I guess that's to be expected.
So they are just thinking about bribing us with PP influence. To test the waters. Well, I hope the waters get pretty rough before this comes to pass. As soon as it does the floodgates will open with a flood of demands that the bonus be extended to everything done in open. You can see that directly by some responses to this thread.
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Yes. The Private and Solo have the pro of you not being killed by me.
By that logic, Open has the advantage of you getting to kill other players in-game, so Solo should get a bonus to help entice you to play in it more.
And they can all be ignored, just as they have been since gamma. Again, I don't want to see this done, I want PP to be set Open only, it's a player vs player mechanic, it has no place outside of Open to begin with.
There is no reason to insist that PP is a PvP mechanic. There is no reward for killing a commander, only for completing PvE tasks. I can see no PvP influence at all, except for the constructed view that shooting down apposing Commanders has an impact on the outcome. It has none. People just insist it must, because they want to shoot down others. Show me one solid feature of PP that is directly affected by PvP. The best you will be able to do is stopping other players from doing something that does affect the system. There is simply no justification for asserting PP is a PvP mechanic. The evidence doesn't support that view.
Is it really PvP? I thought the calculations on which of the Powers went up and down was based on the pile of tokens they had accrued by the end of the cycle? Is it not the case that almost nothing a player can do in terms of blowing up another one's ship, has any additive effect to that pile of tokens?
...Yes. The Private and Solo have the pro of you not being killed by me.
Indeed, I perceive it as a pro to not have to put up with your antics as well. A con would be that I'm unable to 'wing-up' because that's not available with NPC's. Like I said, pro's and con's, each mode's got 'em. Make your choice and live with them.
That argument is standing on less than one leg and struggling, PP is PvP in its overall scope, it's where players are pit against one another to fight for influence, it's PvP through PvE where PvP is the ultimate category the mechanic falls under. PvE is mere means to PvP.
Because it doesn't require statistical data to understand simple rationality.
Think about it, can you really tell me with a straight face that in a competitive setting, the rational choice in maximizing one's influence on PP is not Solo/Private over Open?
Complete and utter strawman, I thought you read this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=235327
The only reason I approve of this change is because it's done for a competitive mechanic, not the game in its entirety.
You are covering your eyes and typing at this point while throwing strawman left and right.
You either don't read what I write or you are intentionally ignoring the argument that is right in front of you by making speculation on others' intent that has no evidence and if anything evidence of the contrary:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=235327
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Not under a competitive scope you don't.
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You are covering your eyes and typing away, aren't you?
There was never equality of modes, now we are finally arriving at some sort of equality.
I don't think I agree with that. PP has very important functions for soloists too.
Even when I am in open, which is most of the time, I play solo.
I am not very much interested in PvP multiplayer at all, but I do like PowerPlay for the bigger picture it brings to the human universe.
PP is great at introducing a necessary expandable political layer to the ED universe that gives an identity to otherwise faceless star systems and perhaps even more importantly it gives a framework for direct and indirect player interaction. PP adds quite a bit of new dimensions to the game; it brings the Galaxy to life, it puts characters in context to the galaxy, it gives players who want that direction in what to do.
PP's political map also made the Human universe easier to digest and comprehend where at first the size of it felt overwhelming.
I believe this is important stuff and I would not want PP to go away, even if I never played Open again.
As far as PP's gameplay is concerned it made me as a soloist try out stuff I always avoided, like openly confronting local authorities in Enemy systems.
It was because of PP that I got several bounties on my head amounting to approximately 16 million credits in some of Archon Delaine's systems.
I would never have done this without PowerPlay.
I feel that FD's plan for giving the actions of PowerPlayers in Open much more weight is a fair and necessary step, but PP is not just interesting for PvP-ers.
I hope FD will be able to improve Powerplay gameplay to make it more interesting to participate for everyone, no matter the mode they play PP in.
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SDC and Code is having a party
Cheers Cmdr's
Well, most of us are too busy in EvE and SC. We'll party once this is implemented.
It has never been PvP mechanic. It is meta game.
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