Canopy armors and carrying ammunition

[kubility]

Canopy Helm Upgrade

i think cocpits of all ships are very fragile if you broke your canopy while you re have a long fight to home or failed interdict escape attempt right before dropping to station, you re doomed. in most case scenarios (no matter u re how far away from the closest station with right landing pad) you interdict someone (or vice versa) and got a hole in couple of millions worth ship. current idea is tuckle your tail between your legs and reach to air barrier of a station as fast as you can. what i have in mind adding simple but effective solution to that problem. retractable canopy armor which can be put to a hot key and used no matter if canopy has a giant hole in it or not. and if we count some immersive reasons

+ civilian, mining and some low budget ships might be okay but only glass protection on half billion credit worth military ship ?

+ high grade AFMU and life support are fine but what i'm saying is closing your ship's helm and keeping the pressure inside (unless u broke that helm too) and you can make them pay for that repair cost.

+ AFMU only Works if canopy is cracked. there is nothing you can do to fix it if your canopy broken and dunno how many of can repair it while in combat. (based on posts on this thread) also AFMU takes up one optional slot which you can put something to carry stuff, search stuff or mine stuff. helm will come under armour catagory and will be like " extended military grade armour" but with much greater cost.

+ most of us uses D grade life support for power reasons and u wont need to that much of constant energy from life support use when using canopy helm but mass would be a little bit of problem. just turn it off and use only when helm is broken.

+ once you close your bridge you will be stuck with your camera feed. this is both pro and con. your point of view will be limited but you can upgrade your feed with different filters, options and light wave. didnt thought about this that much but you can use it find hidden fragments from ship wreck, xray for mining resource search (a color for each obtainable fragment maybe ?) weakpoints on enemy armor and even a landing feedback with UI assist.

- great things comes with great cost. for my idea ship helm would require energy that is equal to D grade life support at same size so players can switch which one to keep on depending of helm's state but it also needs a system draw for maintain magnetic locks and camera feed but it wont be too much. just keep 1 pp reserved at systems all the times. otherwise systems will get dried down and you wont be able to regen shield or keep that camera feed on. as mentioned above it costs higher than the regular armour upgrades but this ones can be upgrades as devs see fit.

since this is an old thread and one of the suggestion wont be discussed here anymore so i hope someone one can change the main title to "Canopy Helm Upgrade" so it will be more clear

 

[Winterwalker]

Nice. These sound like military upgrades to me.

I've been using SRV collected materials to extend ammo carrying, which I think pretty cool because it makes you vary activity from combat into exploring. I think it's good to have different pathways to get the same effect (extra ammo) .. but .. I don't think the type of upgrades you're talking about should be available to anyone, for a price, without some thought towards gaining rep with a navy, faction or similar. I hope these won't be limited to powerplay upgrades, and don't think they will be.

It is early days on the major factions, though we're expecting some changes in 2.1 I believe, but full navy careers are a little way off. When it is possible to sign up for the military, the cockpit reinforcement and special ammo racks (along with military FSD drives, seen in earlier elite games) become accessible maybe?

 

[Earth Ultimatum IV.]

Not sure about the canopy idea, but the ammo - definitely yes. I don't even bother using ammo-based weapons in their current state.

 

[Iskariot]

I have been asking for a separate canopy module for ages. I would love to be able to buy canopy upgrades.
I still hope we will get this eventually.

It also has been proposed several times to be able to sacrifice storage space for ammunition modules.
This is of course a bit tricky in the case of the more powerful weapons, like the railgun.
This could potentially be very unbalancing.
I hardly think it matters in the case of a weapon like the multi gun. FD should implement ammo modules for these weapons asap.

In general I feel the more module types the better.
FD has said they definitely plan to expand on this, so perhaps it is just a question of time.

 

[Snarfbuckle]

Canopy armour would be nice, if nothing else to change the view. I would love to armour up the chin of the Asp since I do not use the bottow cockpit area.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Maybe the military (and higher) hull should come with an auto sealing armoured canopy. Plus tougher canopy in general. Like the OP.
You can't see, but your HUD will display a very basic hologram screen of what is on radar. So sensors are important. Your o2 supply doesn't drop unless the armour is breached(again), but it'll give you time to escape anyway.
In supercruise, the HUD would display pretty much the same, but hologram style.

 

[Shadow_Frost]

There are some ships where it'd make sense to have an armored canopy. The Corvette practically screams that it should have the ability to slide steel shutters over the canopy during combat.

 

[Lestat]

Or just buy a extended Life support.

 

[kubility]

I have been asking for a separate canopy module for ages. I would love to be able to buy canopy upgrades.
I still hope we will get this eventually.

It also has been proposed several times to be able to sacrifice storage space for ammunition modules.
This is of course a bit tricky in the case of the more powerful weapons, like the railgun.
This could potentially be very unbalancing.
I hardly think it matters in the case of a weapon like the multi gun. FD should implement ammo modules for these weapons asap.

In general I feel the more module types the better.
FD has said they definitely plan to expand on this, so perhaps it is just a question of time.

dunno if cargo rack or ammo rack, but both of them should be fine. as for railgun and plasma, little bit extended retract time should be i guess ???

Maybe the military (and higher) hull should come with an auto sealing armoured canopy. Plus tougher canopy in general. Like the OP.
You can't see, but your HUD will display a very basic hologram screen of what is on radar. So sensors are important. Your o2 supply doesn't drop unless the armour is breached(again), but it'll give you time to escape anyway.
In supercruise, the HUD would display pretty much the same, but hologram style.

i would even buy it seperately. in supercruise hologram shouldn't show long distances, but you might still have the compass.

Or just buy a extended Life support.

even A rated makes you run no matter what and i mentioned lost clipper before. it's canopy broken by a damn vulture and gunship wing i killed them, made my way to a friendly system and then when i was at 2 or 3 mm i got interdicted when i have 2- minutes so all i could do was kill the damn federal until my life supports dries

 

[Lestat]

even A rated makes you run no matter what and i mentioned lost clipper before. it's canopy broken by a damn vulture and gunship wing i killed them, made my way to a friendly system and then when i was at 2 or 3 mm i got interdicted when i have 2- minutes so all i could do was kill the damn federal until my life supports dries

I see this is where Common Sense comes in to play.

Do you run and live or you fight and die when your canopy breaks. In your case you choice to Fight and ended up Dying. It was your own Fault. You and only you took that risk. You took out Wing of 3. What if you left when the canopy was broken. Could you have lived?

We don't need a mode that caters to to easy mode.

I play Iron man mode. That means I have to Weigh the risk vs the reward in combat. If I die. I restart the whole game. Right now I am in a Anaconda. When I die start in a Sidewinder.

 

[kubility]

I see this is where Common Sense comes in to play.

Do you run and live or you fight and die wnen your canopy breaks. In your case you choice to Fight and ended up Dying. It was your own Fault. You and only you took that risk. You took out Wing of 3. What if you left when the canopy was broken. Could you have lived?

We don't need a mode that caters to to easy mode.

I play Iron man mode. That means I have to Weigh the risk vs the reward in combat. If I die. I restart the whole game. Right now I am in a Anaconda. When I die start in a Sidewinder.

i ran when i took 2 wing then got taken down at another system it wasn't a wing of 3. if that was the case i would take 3 of them there or blow up to pieces. it was limited oxygen and bad luck that took me down.

you might not even equip it or use it, if we ever get it. but i dont think you play your iron man mode with stock ship. if that's the case, i respect that.

however, my common senses are tingling, when i think of something that can make my game better. also if everyone can have it, it wont make it easier for anyone

 

[Lestat]

i ran when i took 2 wing then got taken down at another system it wasn't a wing of 3. if that was the case i would take 3 of them there or blow up to pieces. it was limited oxygen and bad luck that took me down.

you might not even equip it or use it, if we ever get it. but i dont think you play your iron man mode with stock ship. if that's the case, i respect that.

however, my common senses are tingling, when i think of something that can make my game better. also if everyone can have it, it wont make it easier for anyone

Thing is you took your time to take out a wing. While your canopy was broken. Before you left. Which Wasted your air supply. You could of ran and lived. That called Weighing your risk vs Reward. In your case you failed.

Things you could of done before attacks.

1 upgrade your Life support. That can support up to 25 Minutes.
2 When your canopy broken leave the battle

We did not buy Elite Dangerous to play Elite Easy.

Read this Life Support

 

[kubility]

Thing is you took your time to take out a wing. While your canopy was broken. Before you left. Which Wasted your air supply. You could of ran and lived. That called Weighing your risk vs Reward. In your case you failed.

Things you could of done before attacks.

1 upgrade your Life support. That can support up to 25 Minutes.
2 When your canopy broken leave the battle

We did not buy Elite Dangerous to play Elite Easy.

Read this Life Support

Elite dangerous is a space simulation game, where you can do things as close as possible to reality and having an option to do things and how to do things is a part of realism. one can play with sidewinder all the way or have anaconda or even reject insurance when blown up to have sidewinder to start over. if we continue from your logic we only need sidewinder so this makes me ask a question: why do you have an anaconda when you could play ED just with sidewinder as well? cause why shouldn't you have a better or if not better an optional choice. this one is just like it. i could have retractable canopy armor if i want or not that is a choice i'd like to make, what i ask here is make it avaible so that i can choose. and i told before canopy armor doesn't protect you from everything and still can be breached.

please consider: ED even has an option to not just how you play but where you play. you can fly your anaconda at open, group server or solo server. you might not like one of them and play at another but there is lots of people still plays one that u didn't prefer.

as for your suggestion i would have best life support or with my suggestion lightest one and a canopy armor or best of both.

for you to read: https://simtorque.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/arcade-vs-simulation-what-does-it-all-really-mean/

we didnt buy elite dangerous to play star citizen or no man's sky clone.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/? please check tags

 

[Velixar]

Don't we already have this. It called Auto Field Maintenance unit. It can repair the canopy? It would take module space and use ammo and the user can repair parts of the ship???

Also combat ships should upgrade their ship life support.

 

[kubility]

last time i checked it wasn't able to fix a broken canopy (need confirmation) and i agree fighters should have better life support cause they re in risk of getting hammered anytime but still better protection doesn't hurt i think? also for my case i usually use multipurpose ships for trading and raiding hazardous zones so jump range is also important for me. currently got a cutter for both of this purposes but if military grade composites also had canopy armors it would be better than current state

at least there not much disagreement about ammo rack

 

[Velixar]

Well canopy can be repaired. I just checked it out. So there no need for better protection. Just pilot quick thinking.

The ammo in cargo rack has been talk about. You can farm for refills. But they don't want a anaconda or cutter full cargo of ammo.

 

[Kneejo]

I think we have all we need for ammo refills in the current system, and like already said above, the AFMU is excellent for in flight repairs. Although I think they should add the option to repair the powerplant.. using the energy stored in the power distributor to run the AFMU for instance.. this would put a limit on the things a bit, as the powerplant would automatically kick in when the capacitor drains and it would need energy in the first place, so couldn't be used to fix a 0% powerplant

The AFMU can be small, because refills can be got at planets, which adds the additional interesting thing that regular combat pilots will be kind of pushed to go exploring. I guess those without Horizons miss out on the refill options. I've been using my AFMU in undermining sessions to repair the heat damage on my conda which I get from running 5 beams and a PA. I have the A4 AFMU, which repairs all the modules on the conda for about 10 percent, then needs to be refilled. This extends the time I can hang out in enemy space and improves the immersion because you don't have to dock at enemy stations to repair.. something I've always found a bit unrealistic.. "Hey man, we're killing your people, but if we pay you, you'll repair our ships, right? Because you would do anything for money"

 

[Lestat]

Elite dangerous is a space simulation game, where you can do things as close as possible to reality and having an option to do things and how to do things is a part of realism. one can play with sidewinder all the way or have anaconda or even reject insurance when blown up to have sidewinder to start over. if we continue from your logic we only need sidewinder so this makes me ask a question: why do you have an anaconda when you could play ED just with sidewinder as well? cause why shouldn't you have a better or if not better an optional choice. this one is just like it.

See There 30+ ships that we can choice from. My options on those 30 ships I could choice the Strength and weakness of a ship I choice. Oh let not forget amount of credit is a factor. In my case I left my canopy for 15 minutes. But use my skills select weapons and armor of my ship so I able to stay and fight and and then use my common Sense to leave when combat gets a little too hot. Like having other thing fails besides canopy. That why I never died vs you dying and complaining about canopy breaking.

i could have retractable canopy armor if i want or not that is a choice i'd like to make, what i ask here is make it avaible so that i can choose. and i told before canopy armor doesn't protect you from everything and still can be breached.

That would look funny on any Lakon 6, 7, 9 or Asp Explorer that has Huge canopy.

please consider: ED even has an option to not just how you play but where you play. you can fly your anaconda at open, group server or solo server. you might not like one of them and play at another but there is lots of people still plays one that u didn't prefer.

as for your suggestion i would have best life support or with my suggestion lightest one and a canopy armor or best of both.

Thing is your asking for a easy mode when you could use Common Sense and manage your your ship a lot better. Maybe weaker weapons for better Life support or better shields. See when I had the Vaulter. I could not have the best of everything. That what Frontier wants us to do is Weigh our the risk vs reward of stuff we add to our ship. I had to Weigh the risk of one thing like Canopy in favor of a better weapon and shields. Or I could better Canopy to live longer but I had to choice weaker weapons weaker shields or weapons that require ammo. I did not Point out Thrusters or FSD that require power. Even the amount of money you have to will weigh your risk vs reward.

for you to read: https://simtorque.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/arcade-vs-simulation-what-does-it-all-really-mean/

we didnt buy elite dangerous to play star citizen or no man's sky clone.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/? please check tags

Well bad thing is All those games are clones of the Orignal Elite back in 1984. So I not going to spend my time viewing url that has No bearing on your topic trying to making Elite easy.

Don't we already have this. It called Auto Field Maintenance unit. It can repair the canopy? It would take module space and use ammo and the user can repair parts of the ship???

Also combat ships should upgrade their ship life support.

Well canopy can be repaired. I just checked it out. So there no need for better protection. Just pilot quick thinking.

The ammo in cargo rack has been talk about. You can farm for refills. But they don't want a anaconda or cutter full cargo of ammo.

At least you do your research.

 

[Jim Hazard]

I like the idea of retracting a metal shield over your bridge. I think it balances it self out by taking time to retract and deploy and having a small slit to view through.
Glass on a military ship? BAH!

 

[Lestat]

I like the idea of retracting a metal shield over your bridge. I think it balances it self out by taking time to retract and deploy and having a small slit to view through.
Glass on a military ship? BAH!

Here the problem People are asking for a idea and not doing their research. Let take the cockpit and I am talking about A real look at the Elite Dangerous ship cockpit. Look at the Asp and the Lakon type ships. Also the 30 years of elite history I don't think there was talk about canopy armor. If the topic came about 3 years ago when they design the game the idea came up the idea might have work better.
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