The Formidine Rift - Part 2

crushdepth · Apr 4, 2016

Han_Zen said:
-10370, -385.7, -4138

If Galactic Longitude and Radius Of Circle are 1/100...

Edit: sources.
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=Cas+A

http://www.random-science-tools.com/maths/coordinate-converter.htm

Just wondering if I'm reading these coordinates the right way, because I don't think I am. I assume that they are in the same order as appears on the galactic map?

The thing is, if I look up -10370 -385 -4138 I get BLA DRYAI II-D B3-0, which is in the same galactic arm as Sol and nowhere near the RR line or what we think is the rift. But looking up -4138 -385 -10370 I get TYROOPPY UV-P C21-0, which *is* in the new arm past the rift in what looks like a plausible area.

Can someone please set me straight, thanks.

Muetdhiver · Apr 4, 2016

Indeed, I think that if the place requires more than 25lyr range, it can be excluded.

Muetdhiver · Apr 4, 2016

These are the right coordinates for Cassiopeia - A. If there is somehting there to be found, it has yet to be seen.

"Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going."

This can be read as : keep going along the RR line, or keep going along the edge of the arm IMO.
Though an other quote speaks of crossing it, so...

crushdepth · Apr 4, 2016

Muetdhiver said:
Indeed, I think that if the place requires more than 25lyr range, it can be excluded.

I'm still 4,000 light years out, but playing with the map it looks like no problems to get directly "above" it in the galactic plane. Getting down to it looks like it might be fiddly though.

Re. the coordinates, which way should they be read?

TFW Primus · Apr 4, 2016

Dielos said:
Did that already, but didn't spot anything out of the ordinary. Impressive view though...

http://i.imgur.com/TBKMf2U.png

If you were to go up or gown along the galactic plane as far as possible from there, would you be able to see more of the galaxy or do the stars thin out so much that there wouldn't be enough of an angle to see more of the galactic plane?

SpocksOddSocks · Apr 4, 2016

KG_Jedi said:
I guess i found a little clue.

There is a star in Cassiopeiae constellation, called PZ CASSIOPEIAE. But it's impossible to find it on map if you use it's name. Instead, if you use HIP number, which is HIP 117078, then it appears to be located almost perfectly on R-R line, on most outer edge of galaxy, but easily approachable, since there are plenty of stars around it (no jumponium required).

At least i know where i'm going to.

This one got me excited, but after looking on the map, it looks some way off the RR line to me, and according to EDSM, someone uploaded a flight log here a few days ago.

http://www.edsm.net/show-system/index/id/1968648/name/HIP+117078

Muetdhiver · Apr 4, 2016

crushdepth said:
Re. the coordinates, which way should they be read?

-10370, -385.7, -4138 is the correct order on the gal map. Keep in mind that these have large uncertainties attached,
at the very least +/- 500 lyrs on the first one and +/- 200 lyrs on the third one.

Han_Zen · Apr 4, 2016

Muetdhiver said:
These are the right coordinates for Cassiopeia - A. If there is somehting there to be found, it has yet to be seen.

"Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going."

This can be read as : keep going along the RR line, or keep going along the edge of the arm IMO.
Though an other quote speaks of crossing it, so...

The direction towards Cassiopeia A is correct according to current measurements. The distanse is my own theory from the 'Good Luck, and... Right On, Commander' > Galactic Longitude and Radius Of Circle hypothesis. Do not take the distance as a fact!

Another thing is that I think our RR-line is of.
The formula used in the spread sheet is: Z=15.8587+X*0.782805

EDDB reports coordinates for Reorte: 75.75 / 48.75 / 75.15625 and Riedquat: 68.84375 / 48.75 / 69.75

This gives me: Z= 27.960636 + 0.607018 (Galactic Longitude 121.259°)

I'm not sure about the accuracy of the EDDB coordinates, but even a small rounding gives a huge deviation since Reorte and Riedquat are so close.

I also calculated where my RR-Line intersects the spiral where Galactic Longitude is 1/100 of the Radius (fro Sol). This should be at: -10362.88 : 48.75 : 6318.42

A bit of math and a bit of tinfoil.

dangerzone · Apr 4, 2016

Would it be worth going out there in an Imperial Cutter?

Muetdhiver · Apr 4, 2016

From papers I saw, uncertainties on the distance can be quite large.
It seems that it is 3.4 +0.3 -0.1 Kpc., i.e 11 +1 -0.3 Klyr.

As an aside, anyone has found / visited the Tycho star remnant ?

crushdepth · Apr 4, 2016

dangerzone said:
Would it be worth going out there in an Imperial Cutter?

Nah, go for jump range big time. Unless you are particularly patient!

Dommarraa · Apr 4, 2016

Han_Zen said:
The direction towards Cassiopeia A is correct according to current measurements. The distanse is my own theory from the 'Good Luck, and... Right On, Commander' > Galactic Longitude and Radius Of Circle hypothesis. Do not take the distance as a fact!

Another thing is that I think our RR-line is of.
The formula used in the spread sheet is: Z=15.8587+X*0.782805

EDDB reports coordinates for Reorte: 75.75 / 48.75 / 75.15625 and Riedquat: 68.84375 / 48.75 / 69.75

This gives me: Z= 27.960636 + 0.607018 (Galactic Longitude 121.259°)

I'm not sure about the accuracy of the EDDB coordinates, but even a small rounding gives a huge deviation since Reorte and Riedquat are so close.

I also calculated where my RR-Line intersects the spiral where Galactic Longitude is 1/100 of the Radius (fro Sol). This should be at: -10362.88 : 48.75 : 6318.42

A bit of math and a bit of tinfoil.

The formula is off ? Yours look different by more than a little bit of rounding. Will double check.

Jaiotu · Apr 4, 2016

I'm not convinced that a maximum jump range is going to be the answer.

The "old lady" managed to see whatever it was that prompted "them" to wipe her memory in nothing more then a Cobra Mk III that didn't even have the new post 3300 framshift drive technology.

...which got me to thinking.

Drew said that finding "it" depends on who goes looking. Maybe whatever is out there is expecting to see a familiar face? Maybe they are expecting an antique Cobra?

Has me considering bringing my Cobra Mk III out there with the 30th anniversary wireframe paint job. I truly doubt that would be the key... But if it were it would certainly narrow down the "depends on who goes looking" without being tied to rank.

excalibus · Apr 4, 2016

I am curious about the 'who goes looking' as was mentioned that the origins of the name kahina are based on a queen, it makes me wonder if you might need to have a rank of king in the empire to trigger an event when you get to the rift?... just a thought I was having as I was reading the various clues...

Maybe if a king was to travel to Rho Cassiopeiae perhaps that might trigger it? again just a thought based on the clues available...

Warmaster Will · Apr 4, 2016

I am a pretty smart guy but God#%^M you guys make me feel like an rear end scratching ape.
Which is infact pretty acurate on a sunday morning

Han_Zen · Apr 4, 2016

Dommarraa said:
The formula is off ? Yours look different by more than a little bit of rounding. Will double check.

Thanks. I think I got it correct, but it needs to be verified.

Jaiotu · Apr 4, 2016

excalibus said:
I am curious about the 'who goes looking' as was mentioned that the origins of the name kahina are based on a queen, it makes me wonder if you might need to have a rank of king in the empire to trigger an event when you get to the rift?... just a thought I was having as I was reading the various clues...

Maybe if a king was to travel to Rho Cassiopeiae perhaps that might trigger it? again just a thought based on the clues available...

Drew said that the "who goes looking" Has nothing to do with rank... Whether he meant faction rank or pilots federation rank... I'm not sure.

VampyreGTX · Apr 4, 2016

I'm relatively new to the Rifters, and not even on my way to the Rift or any other possible POI. However, what are the chances the Pres. Halsey storyline is part of the clues? Are the system she was enroute to visit when Starship One was destroyed, or the region where the Pods, etc. with her were recovered, anywhere in the vicinity of or in line with where we've been looking? (R-R line, Rift, Cassiopieae, etc.)

I was just wondering based on the Galnet article today about her interview, where she made the following comments:

"It was wonderful. Amazing. I saw the universe, and our galaxy within it, as I'd never seen it before, and I felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy. The paradox of their existence - tiny yet gargantuan, fleeting yet eternal. They spoke to me as I drifted in the void. It was amazing. I must share their message."

{SAS}Stalker · Apr 4, 2016

Han_Zen said:
I also calculated where my RR-Line intersects the spiral where Galactic Longitude is 1/100 of the Radius (fro Sol). This should be at: -10362.88 : 48.75 : 6318.42

Do you mean -10362.88 : 48.75 : -6318.42 ? Although even that seems to be off the RR-line

Vitamin Arrr · Apr 4, 2016

Maybe by "who," he meant, it needs to be someone who actually scans stuff and pays attention to sounds, etc. Or maybe he meant, it needs to be more than one person -- it makes sense that a group of ships might attract more alien concern than a lone explorer wandering through. Especially if they were warships...