This is simply ridiculus...

Eymerich

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Take a few weeks break from the game and I came back just now

(i am posting while my Prismatic are charghing).

Little premise: over 2000 hours in elite; elite in fight and trade. 1 bilion stored in bank.

Ok, having said this, which should be consider a proof I am not a rookie (maybe not the best pilot but for sure not a rookie), i share with you my experience.

I have Taken my A fitted conda (All pulse laser, prismatic shield best class (7) ) and headed toward a compromised beacon.

And here comes the absurd in my opinion.

Attacked a Dropship --> went down fast, moderate damage to shield (maybe 1\4 of the third bar)

Then I have attacked a wing of 3 ships:

1) Imp Courier

2) Viper Mk3

3) Viper mk3

Wanna know what's happened?

They took down my shield (not really: but the blue bar was almost disappeard) in almost 2 minutes before I vaporized thos ships

Don't you think there is something strange or... I am really missing something?

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This is not dangerous: this is just stupid in my opinion
 
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Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
Better thread title is what I think.

That aside, are you complaining that the prismatic shields are too strong or that the wing of 3 was too weak ?

Also, what rank were the ships in question as it makes a big difference to the combat.
 
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interfector

interfector
yeah, those prismatics are pretty strong, but i don't think they're stupidly overpowered. you need to grind merits after all, and they do consume much power.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Not sure what the iCourier weapon loadout is, but the 2 vipers alone have 8 Guns (4 class 2, 4 class 1)firing on you. Plus 3-4 more from the iCourier. That's alot of firepower really. Plus you're a huge target, so even with a chaff, that's almost constant damage.
Over 2 minutes is plenty to actually kill you outright, so IMHO, you did well!
(Next time you start attacking an Anaconda, see how long it takes to kill it, it's around 30 - 60 seconds!)
 

Eymerich

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Okay

Thanks all answer.

No mention of pip management... --> 4 shield 2 weapon; sometimes 3 shield 3 weapon

Yea. I also agree, it's ridiculous that the Anaconda can survive that long under fire. --> matter of opinion. Try to attack with 8 pulse a viper mk4 deadly or elite and tell me how much last long the fight. Then come here on the forum and let's have a discussion

Two minutes under fire is a long time. --> Care to explain me a better way to destroy a wing of three ships like the one i have mentioned?
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Eymerich said:
Then I have attacked a wing of 3 ships:

1) Imp Courier

2) Viper Mk3

3) Viper mk3

Wanna know what's happened?

They took down my shield (not really: but the blue bar was almost disappeard) in almost 2 minutes before I vaporized thos ships

Don't you think there is something strange or... I am really missing something?
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No, you are correct, they should have killed you way sooner. You're facing seven medium and four small hardpoints, most of which can fire at you at leisure while you take on the other third. With proper outfitting and good AI you would have been dead in a little over 30 seconds. Eg. full rail loadouts (hard on the courier but hey) would lead to over 500mj in damage per salvo. That means they would take any shield down in less than three shots. :) Keeping shields up for two minutes is pretty good.
 
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777Driver

777Driver
Eymerich said:
Okay

Thanks all answer.

No mention of pip management... --> 4 shield 2 weapon; sometimes 3 shield 3 weapon

Yea. I also agree, it's ridiculous that the Anaconda can survive that long under fire. --> matter of opinion. Try to attack with 8 pulse a viper mk4 deadly or elite and tell me how much last long the fight. Then come here on the forum and let's have a discussion

Two minutes under fire is a long time. --> Care to explain me a better way to destroy a wing of three ships like the one i have mentioned?
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Best thing to do is record a quick video so we can see where you are going wrong. It is possible to Solo a SSS in a Python & Anaconda, two Vipers and a Icourier in a compromised beacon should only be an issue unless you are seriously screwing up.

Either way, your shields will still take a pounding if you only focus on destroying 1 ship before moving on to the next, you have to keep cycling targets.

The AI is very predictable, the 2.1 update will hopefully sort that out.
 
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Eymerich

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CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
Not sure what the iCourier weapon loadout is, but the 2 vipers alone have 8 Guns (4 class 2, 4 class 1)firing on you. Plus 3-4 more from the iCourier. That's alot of firepower really. Plus you're a huge target, so even with a chaff, that's almost constant damage.
Over 2 minutes is plenty to actually kill you outright, so IMHO, you did well!
(Next time you start attacking an Anaconda, see how long it takes to kill it, it's around 30 - 60 seconds!)
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Thanks.

No chaff were deployed so i was lucky.

Yes I agree: time to destroy an anaconda elite it's about 30 maybe 45 seconds.

And here come the incongruence.

1 vs anaconda: same weapons ---> 30/ 45 second (if you recharge your weapons before assault the last shield bar you can drop your enemy's shiedl before he can use scb) to kill an elite conda

1 anaconda (4 large - 2 medium 2 - small) against - 4 medium (*) and 4 small --> your shield go down fast.

(*) I have said 4 because if you engage the courier it's unlikely he shots to you like the others because he is trying to evade you, at the opposite of the others
 

Jukelo

Jukelo
Two minutes under fire is a long time. --> Care to explain me a better way to destroy a wing of three ships like the one i have mentioned?
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The courrier has very good shields, so focus on the squishy Vipers first to get rid of enemy guns quickly. You mentioned that it took them 2 minutes to bring your shields down, by that time only the courrier should still be alive, and your conda should be able to hull-tank a lone courrier NPC.
Beside, a lone player, even in a conda, should​ have trouble facing three opponents at once.
 
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Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
As above pip management. Also what skill level were these enemies? Did you use chaff? What weapons were they using? Did you use shield boosters? Did you use shield cell banks to recharge your shields?

Basically the Anaconda isn't the massive tank most people think it is. It's can tank a lot but it's by no means invulnerable. Thats 11 hardpoints in that wing you've had firing at you which is a lot if were honest!

How many weeks is a few? The back end of the year saw AI updates specifically in their weapon loadouts, some bugs in the AI code but they are being squashed in 2.1 update as well as making enemies more deadly based on their combat rating

Edit, so many ninja's, feel free to ignore as most of my questions already asked or answered :p
 
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Eymerich

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Jukelo said:
The courrier has very good shields, so focus on the squishy Vipers first to get rid of enemy guns quickly. You mentioned that it took them 2 minutes to bring your shields down, by that time only the courrier should still be alive, and your conda should be able to hull-tank a lone courrier NPC.
Beside, a lone player, even in a conda, should​ have trouble facing three opponents at once.
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Yes. I tend to agree with you.

Maybe this could be my mistake: I have attacked the courier first.

About last statement I disagree.

Having a 400 milion ship against tree low class ship (how much approx to A fitted 3 low class ship? 30 milions? let's exagerate: 50 milions?) and lose all the shield seems very unbalanced to me.

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Alex Brentnall said:
As above pip management. Also what skill level were these enemies? Did you use chaff? What weapons were they using? Did you use shield boosters? Did you use shield cell banks to recharge your shields?

Basically the Anaconda isn't the massive tank most people think it is. It's can tank a lot but it's by no means invulnerable. Thats 11 hardpoints in that wing you've had firing at you which is a lot if were honest!

How many weeks is a few? The back end of the year saw AI updates specifically in their weapon loadouts, some bugs in the AI code but they are being squashed in 2.1 update as well as making enemies more deadly based on their combat rating

Edit, so many ninja's, feel free to ignore as most of my questions already asked or answered :p
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2 deadly, 1 dangerous

No chaff used - No scb used

Weapons: judjing by the way they hit my shield I guess the viper had the frag cannon (but I could be mistaken) ; the courier mount laser and (maybe) rail guns

3 weeks.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Eymerich said:
About last statement I disagree.

Having a 400 milion ship against tree low class ship (how much approx to A fitted 3 low class ship? 30 milions? let's exagerate: 50 milions?) and lose all the shield seems very unbalanced to me.
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Unlike traditional online games, ED has vastly diminishing returns on 'high level gear'. A Viper A-spec is 2.5 million. Four of them, for about ten million, can rip a conda apart. An expensive ship is not supposed to be an 'lol I can kill all small ships easily' thing. For that reason its best to consider the job before you pick the tool: using a conda at res/nav is fun, but may not be the best choice risk/reward wise.
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
Jukelo said:
The courrier has very good shields, so focus on the squishy Vipers first to get rid of enemy guns quickly. You mentioned that it took them 2 minutes to bring your shields down, by that time only the courrier should still be alive, and your conda should be able to hull-tank a lone courrier NPC.
Beside, a lone player, even in a conda, should​ have trouble facing three opponents at once.
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This. The only way to engage multiple opponents is hull tanking.
 

MickyG1982

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I think there is a CMDR that flys in a hauler & takes great pleasure in pirating larger ships, if only I could remember his name...
 

tawittle

tawittle
you need to learn more about combat. take advantage of 4 pips to SYS and FA off and theres no way a wing of 3 NPC can threaten you.
 
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