black holes
- Thread starter meneldil
- Start date
I agree. The point is that when you're three months into exploration, relaxing and scanning things in the galactic core with tens of millions worth of data, being taken apart by a few meters wide object in a few seconds is a game breaker.
I play elite since september 2015 but I think originally black holes were way more dangerous and explorers complained about it a lot.
Exploration should be Dangerous.
In real life many explorers disappeared or at least were never heard of again.
No one even knew for sure if they died or just gave up and became native.
A Black Hole should be Extremely dangerous if you get anywhere near the Accretion Disk and even thinking of approaching the Event Horizon should be lethal.
In real life many explorers disappeared or at least were never heard of again.
No one even knew for sure if they died or just gave up and became native.
A Black Hole should be Extremely dangerous if you get anywhere near the Accretion Disk and even thinking of approaching the Event Horizon should be lethal.
Last edited:
I think there should be some danger, but Quester91 is right too. Would be terrible if a simple mistake would destroy your ship and weeks of game time.
Maybe it could interfere with the FSD when in supercruise, but in such way it is still easy to escape unless you come really close.
What about a bar that indicates dangerous gravity levels, just like the heat levels when scooping fuel?
Once it comes into the red zone, you know you have to reverse or be destroyed.
Dropping into normal space when close to a black hole should be a disaster.
Same mechanic: huge gravitational attraction, and the player will only survive if there's enough time to charge the fsd without reaching critical distance, just like when in supercruise.
Maybe it could interfere with the FSD when in supercruise, but in such way it is still easy to escape unless you come really close.
What about a bar that indicates dangerous gravity levels, just like the heat levels when scooping fuel?
Once it comes into the red zone, you know you have to reverse or be destroyed.
Dropping into normal space when close to a black hole should be a disaster.
Same mechanic: huge gravitational attraction, and the player will only survive if there's enough time to charge the fsd without reaching critical distance, just like when in supercruise.
I hate to tell you, but you drop out of supercruise long before the event horizon. A good rule of thumb is 2.95 km per solar mass for the radius of the event horizon. For instance, a 3 solar mass black hole would have an event horizon with a radius of approx 9 km. Even Sagittarius A* would only have an event horizon radius of about 40 ls.
Last edited:
InMemoriamSirocco
Banned
Ship computer warnings. If you press on after "warning! dangerous gravity well detected!" you alone are to blame.
"Caution! Dangerous gravity well detected"
...
"Warning! Approaching event horizon!"
...
"Reaching point of no return in 5...4...3...2...1... See you on the other side, CMDR." *boom!*
"Caution! Dangerous gravity well detected"
...
"Warning! Approaching event horizon!"
...
"Reaching point of no return in 5...4...3...2...1... See you on the other side, CMDR." *boom!*
I tried to fly through a black hole, dropped from super cruise, flew towards it, and suddenly my DBX just stopped moving. Throttle was set to max, speed was maxed, but I wasn't getting an inch closer. If I boosted, I got closer for a few seconds then pushed back again.
Nothing "Dangerous" about it and I felt pretty cheated. I expected to end up in Andromeda dammit!!
Jokes aside it was quite disappointing.
Yeah, it needs to be a heck of a lot more dangerous.
Nothing "Dangerous" about it and I felt pretty cheated. I expected to end up in Andromeda dammit!!
Jokes aside it was quite disappointing.
Yeah, it needs to be a heck of a lot more dangerous.
not always if you jump in on a black hole
- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -
this happed to me when i first started explreing
- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -
this happed to me when i first started explreing
Excellent! Clear in-your-face warning, blaring sirens, and give players enough time to realize their mistake and rectify it.
Mission idea: Since our FSD's seem to have solved the time dilation problem, we could have a fun CG to rescue a generation ship caught in a black hole (now dangerous). By the ship's own reckoning, they arrived there yesterday.
This please!
Also its worth noting that the black hole gravitational pull does not begin at the event horizon.
The event horizon is the range after which it becomes impossible (theoretically) to escape, or most accuratly is the point beyond not even light can escape the gravity pull.
A black hole gravitational pull is immense, that's the reason so many galaxies actually rotate around large ones, and many planetary bodies and even stars rotate around small black holes..
It should be menacing far beyond its event horizon, even the small ones.
We should not be able to simply jump into one like a teen jumps into a pool without consequence.
Last edited:
A black hole's gravitational pull is exactly the same as a star of the same mass. You have to get very close to the event horizon to see the massive tidal effects that would damage a ship, and this would be well within the radius of a star of that mass. Since it's the gravity well that pulls you out of supercruise, you'll exit supercruise at the same distance you would for a star of that mass, which is long before any tidal effects would be felt.
The event horizon or Schwarzschild Radius is where the escape velocity equals the speed of light in a vacuum.
However escape velocity is for a ballistic trajectory - the speed needed for an unpowered projectile to escape the gravitational field and reach (eventually) infinity. A powered vehicle can still escape the surface so long as its gross acceleration exceeds the local gravity.
The gravitational strength (m.s-2) at the Schwarzschild Radius (r[SUB]s[/SUB]) is g[SUB]s[/SUB]=c2/2r[SUB]s[/SUB] - so the bigger the black hole, the lower the gravity at this radius.
So for Sag A* r[SUB]s[/SUB] = 40ls, g[SUB]s[/SUB] = c/80 = 3.75 Mm.s-2.
While a "minimal" 3M black hole r[SUB]s[/SUB] = 9 km, g[SUB]s[/SUB] = 5 x 1012 = 5 Tm.s-2.
You need a big engine - but bigger for smaller black holes.
However - this is all irrelevant as we have "Super Cruise" capable of superluminal velocities (arguably shifting you out of normal space into a local "bubble"). The speed of light is no longer a barrier, which throws open a lot of assumptions about risks and behaviour near a black hole.
Whats probably still relevant is the shear forces due to the gravitational gradient - your head and feet under different field strengths.
I suspect that this again doesn't affect you if you are comfortably inside your SC bubble - but we know that SC doesn't like strong local gravity, and the SC bubble collapses if this gets too high (fortunately this always happens before you enter a body - go figure).
TL;DR: We have SC - speed of light isn't a barrier - need to rewrite physics of Black Holes for this - anyone got Prof. Hawking's number?
However escape velocity is for a ballistic trajectory - the speed needed for an unpowered projectile to escape the gravitational field and reach (eventually) infinity. A powered vehicle can still escape the surface so long as its gross acceleration exceeds the local gravity.
The gravitational strength (m.s-2) at the Schwarzschild Radius (r[SUB]s[/SUB]) is g[SUB]s[/SUB]=c2/2r[SUB]s[/SUB] - so the bigger the black hole, the lower the gravity at this radius.
So for Sag A* r[SUB]s[/SUB] = 40ls, g[SUB]s[/SUB] = c/80 = 3.75 Mm.s-2.
While a "minimal" 3M black hole r[SUB]s[/SUB] = 9 km, g[SUB]s[/SUB] = 5 x 1012 = 5 Tm.s-2.
You need a big engine - but bigger for smaller black holes.
However - this is all irrelevant as we have "Super Cruise" capable of superluminal velocities (arguably shifting you out of normal space into a local "bubble"). The speed of light is no longer a barrier, which throws open a lot of assumptions about risks and behaviour near a black hole.
Whats probably still relevant is the shear forces due to the gravitational gradient - your head and feet under different field strengths.
I suspect that this again doesn't affect you if you are comfortably inside your SC bubble - but we know that SC doesn't like strong local gravity, and the SC bubble collapses if this gets too high (fortunately this always happens before you enter a body - go figure).
TL;DR: We have SC - speed of light isn't a barrier - need to rewrite physics of Black Holes for this - anyone got Prof. Hawking's number?
Seconded, there's not enough danger in deep-space. Players still have enough time to distance themselves from blackholes too.
Mmmm, Neutron Stars and White Dwarf Stars are no joke though, and can cause considerable grief to an unwary pilot.
Black Holes should do some more heat damage, that I agree with. Being able to obliterate people, debatable, but they are deffo too toothless atm. Maybe our ships have built-in safety nets RE Black Holes
Black Holes should do some more heat damage, that I agree with. Being able to obliterate people, debatable, but they are deffo too toothless atm. Maybe our ships have built-in safety nets RE Black Holes
Alcubierre Drives would like to talk to you.
Last edited:
![[DOOK] Droogie](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/124/124078.jpg?1553527149){kind=avatar}
They actually need an accretion disk where appropriate. They don't even have that right now.
I just scanned a black hole that was only a few light seconds from a star. I'll post a Screenshot...
Edit
pic
Last edited: