I cancelled my CV1 pre-order

[g.eoff]

I cancelled my pre-order today after reading all the comments about God rays. I have upgraded my video card to a GTX980ti, improved my power supply to 850w, and added a 4*usb3 pcie card, in preparation to CV1.
I only play ED, So I've decided to wait until the issues with God rays are corrected.
I have no idea how long it will take. Maybe ED will give us contrast control, or Oculus will change the lenses in CV2.

I do not own a DK2.

 

[Raptoyd]

Probably a smart idea I am wondering what the return policy is as this is not worth keeping if I cannot play Elite on it. I got mine from Best Buy last weekend taking it back so they can sucker someone else. Maybe when Oculus starts selling these things retail they will see 2 of every 3 sold being returned and get serious about support. Don't sign on as supporting developers like FD who are unwilling to pay attention to consumers.

 

[Kyokushin]

Smart move in my opinion, because resolution both in cv1 and vive is not what should be. I am waiting for 4K.... or StarVR.

 

[Frank]

The waiting list for the CV1 is August. You would've been able to make a tidy profit on an unsealed CV1. I could imagine some people paying top whack for a used one as well.

.. but not me. I've got my DK2. I can hold fast until August.

 

[BigDuke6ixx]

Smart move in my opinion, because resolution both in cv1 and vive is not what should be. I am waiting for 4K.... or StarVR.

The DK2 is easily good enough resolution wise and the CV1 is even better. You'll be waiting at least 3yrs for 4k, maybe 4 or 5. Meanwhile, you are stuck with a 2d monitor(s) and I wouldn't even waste a second of my time gaming with rubbish like that.

 

[bitstorm]

Totally weird seeing threads saying ED on the Rift is awesome, and posts from others saying it's so bad they literally can't play ED on it.

 

[Iskariot]

I already decided to wait for the next generation VR, or the one after that.
Not just because of technical issues, but because I first want to see how it will work with the coming FPA part of the game.
Even when sitting in the seat of a vehicle might be cool with VR, FPA in combination with those devices is an entirely different matter.
And I have seen a lot of people complain about the weight and sweatiness of these things and it considerably shortening their playing sessions.

 

[Dozer.k.a.o.]

Totally weird seeing threads saying ED on the Rift is awesome, and posts from others saying it's so bad they literally can't play ED on it.

that's exactly the problem with the hype, it creates high expectatives, i recentrly tried a DK2 and was some kind of dissapointed, and now i have to see with my own eyes if 1000$ CAD are worthly on the CV1

VR is just at the beginning, that means you will loose many things you can enjoy in a good monitor,,, but having for first time other experiences like a real 3D enviroment and inmersion, all this is very relative to each customer, i expect many returns from people that try for first time VR and they don't get what they expected.

The day you can have the quality of a monitor in VR... it will be a total game changer.

 

[dutchy2000]

Excellent that moves mine up in the rank, please everyone cancel your order! To me the DK2 is an amazing experience already, the CV1 will only be better. If you are obsessed with resolution then this is probably not for you. For me growing up with vga being amazing, the DK2 is great, the SDE is a little annoying but I got used to it. It should be mostly gone in the CV1, honestly while playing I don't even see it in the DK2 anymore.

 

[[HJ]-RedRaven]

I cancelled my pre-order today after reading all the comments about God rays. I have upgraded my video card to a GTX980ti, improved my power supply to 850w, and added a 4*usb3 pcie card, in preparation to CV1.
I only play ED, So I've decided to wait until the issues with God rays are corrected.
I have no idea how long it will take. Maybe ED will give us contrast control, or Oculus will change the lenses in CV2.

I do not own a DK2.

Oh well, you could have made a bit of cash and/or seen if the god-rays really are an issue for you - for some they're just a non-even, for others they're a deal-breaker.

And a big Thanks for bumping me one up in the queue!

 

[[HJ]-RedRaven]

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And I have seen a lot of people complain about the weight and sweatiness of these things and it considerably shortening their playing sessions.

Where? Define 'a lot'. Of course the current HMD's will improve, but I hardly see anyone complaining about the weight. Agree they might be warm on the face in warmer, humid climes. Again, hardly a major issue.

Fair enough if you want to wait. Enjoy 2D in the meantime.

My 2D days are numbered...at about 75.

 

[BigDuke6ixx]

And I have seen a lot of people complain about the weight and sweatiness of these things and it considerably shortening their playing sessions.

You have to remember that most people are stupid. These are simple comfort issues that can easily be sorted out, with each person having a different solution. I have a small USB fan blowing towards my head and never have any heat problems. As for the weight; you'd have to be a pencil necked little weed to be bothered by it.

 

[VR Dextrovix]

Yep, I think an unopened CV1 would easily go for more than the purchase cost on eBay due to the delays in availability for new orders.

God-rays are more annoying for those that have used a DK2, because they didn't exist on that headset. However, I've got used to them, and it's only really ED for me where they appear- lots of other titles have less black to highlight the contrast differences.

The thing is, I prefer VR over a 2D monitor irrespective of the lower resolution, as it adds another layer of immersion for me.

But equally, if the draw of VR for some isn't that prevalent, I can understand why people are prepared to wait. Headsets down the line will be better, but I reckon that will be some time, both from HMD manufacturers and graphics card manufacturers- the latter of which have more of the challenge to send 90 fps or more at even higher resolutions than they do now!

Therefore, I'm happy to play in VR and also enjoy the updates to the experience later. And be financially a little worse for wear for it!

 

[Nebula109]

I do not own a DK2.

Would be interested to hear if you have tried VR in any way, I demo the DK2 (CV1 in July) to untold amounts of people and I've only had one mention the SDE, the rest were gob smacked, amazed, the occasional one speechless, and this is on a DK2. Admittedly 90% of the users were not hard core gamers but I think there are too many users dismissing the early gen headsets before trying it out for themselves and they may be missing out on what is a fantastic experience, despite the flaws. If you go here https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?msa=0&mid=1M1fVCROrK4g1MVHqRNpfkUjf0G8 Rift users will let you demo the headset, you may not even notice the God Rays, it varies from person to person.

 

[g.eoff]

Hi Nebula109. No, I haven't tried the DK2. My concern is that there seems to be lots of comments that the lenses in the DK2 are better than the CV1.
I'm based in the UK. I've looked at your map link, and will drive 120miles round trip to Overclockers where I bought my 980ti. I'll try out both the CV1 and the Vive. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Soda Popinski]

I have a DK2 and got the CV1 a week ago. I'll gladly take the resolution bump, comfort and lack of SDE over god-rays.

I'm amazed people are cancelling their orders without even trying it out. Be wary of a vocal minority.

 

[[HJ]-RedRaven]

...I demo the DK2 (CV1 in July) to untold amounts of people and I've only had one mention the SDE, the rest were gob smacked, amazed, the occasional one speechless, and this is on a DK2. Admittedly 90% of the users were not hard core gamers but I think there are too many users dismissing the early gen headsets before trying it out for themselves and they may be missing out on what is a fantastic experience, despite the flaws. If you go here https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?msa=0&mid=1M1fVCROrK4g1MVHqRNpfkUjf0G8 Rift users will let you demo the headset, you may not even notice the God Rays, it varies from person to person.

This is a great answer for the OP. Repped. Wish you were near me. (I lived in GLOS for a while, now in Australia, doh.)

Hi Nebula109. No, I haven't tried the DK2. My concern is that there seems to be lots of comments that the lenses in the DK2 are better than the CV1.
I'm based in the UK. I've looked at your map link, and will drive 120miles round trip to Overclockers where I bought my 980ti. I'll try out both the CV1 and the Vive. Thanks for the suggestion.

The DK2 lenses are regular non-Fresnel lenses. Just shaped glass. Both the Vive and the CV1 are now using Fresnel lenses where the lens surface is 'ridged' and curved.
Technically, the optics in the Vive and CV1 are superior, allowing wider field of view, much wider 'sweet-spot' and less distortion over the wider range of that field than the earlier DK2 lenses allow.

But, the caveat is that a Fresnel lens does suffer from some forms of internal reflection (which means the light bounces around a bit between the ridges before leaving the lens), and you see the result; 'god rays'. The DK2 lenses have some radial glare (like all glasses/ sunglasses etc) but don't have internal reflections, so no/few god-rays.

One thing is clear; high-contrast images with dark backgrounds (white text on black etc) suffer more from the god-rays. Black text on a white background has the same contrast, but the god rays will be swallowed up by the white.

Unfortunately, ED has a lot of black, being in space, and a lot of bright UI and stars/planets etc.

Some find the god-rays very distracting, others not so at all. Everything I've read indicates that it takes some time to get used to them, to 'tune them out'. I'd strongly suggest getting a good long look/demo if you can; passing up a Vive or CV1 will be like missing a big part of the possible immersion in games like ED.

 

[Mosait]

<snip>As for the weight; you'd have to be a pencil necked little weed to be bothered by it.

Some people have neck, shoulder, and back problems that HMD's like the dk2 can exacerbate. However, the cv1 is supposed to be much lighter and with a better weight distribution minimizing many such issues. The same goes with the Vive until you take into consideration all the cables.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

You definitely won't notice the rays when you are drifting past an Orbis, FA Off, mesmerised.

There is no denying they are present and if you are expecting perfect technology then the CV1 is not for you.

On the other hand, consider that I paid double the retail price and travelled 4 hours to get my hands on the CV1 as soon as it got into the country, I was well aware of the god ray issue but figured I would get used to them. I did.

The Rift transports you to a magical world every time you put it on. Just sitting in the Oculus store looking around will put a smile on your face.

 

[B1ll Adama]

You definitely won't notice the rays when you are drifting past an Orbis, FA Off, mesmerised.

There is no denying they are present and if you are expecting perfect technology then the CV1 is not for you.

On the other hand, consider that I paid double the retail price and travelled 4 hours to get my hands on the CV1 as soon as it got into the country, I was well aware of the god ray issue but figured I would get used to them. I did.

The Rift transports you to a magical world every time you put it on. Just sitting in the Oculus store looking around will put a smile on your face.

This I agree with 100%!