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Except the threat they generate, and the fact its going to continue as far the Islamic state is alive and kicking.

There are no peace loving way out of this problem, and no resolution without consequences, and trash to clean up.

About the American wars on terror and actions like Korea, and Afghanistan? This is where are you wrong, and here is why?
They are not failed on the war itself. The cause of the falitere is internal politics.

Any government who wages a long war in a democratic state have its camp reduced, so they forced to quit before they completely win the war and clean up their own mess.

I'm pretty sure the US hasn't fought a war in Korea since 1955. I think you mean the US sanctions against North Korea. But North Korea is a much bigger threat than the Islamic State is.

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have failed because the US couldn't win them. And the war in Afghanistan after 9/11 was backed by large parts of the american population. As are the sanctions against North Korea.

For the Islamic State: They have huge problems with supplying the population in the areas they occupy, IF they do. They're alive, yeah. But kicking? It's more like they're getting kicked.

They just can't do what is necessary, as long its necessary.

Please elaborate this line. What is necessary in an assymetrical war in your opinion?
 

Minonian

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No. You have failed to demonstrate that there is any link whatsoever, except in your mind. Have you the slightest evidence that those behind the advertisement are in any way connected with acts of terrorism? Obviously not...

The link is Islam itself. Its weak but it will do, as far, we are keeping it civilized.
Besides if you really have a long conversation than in time you start to wandering off from the pinpointed track.
One thing leads to another, and in the end you talking about about something entirely different. :)
 
Who are the "aboriginal UK citizens"?

Should I give my womb to the Fatherland?

The sons and daughters of Richard de Lionheart ;)
I am not talking what You should do, i am just talking how it works :) I am not a creator of the world, don't blame me.
From 2008:
[video=youtube_share;K5FuE5Wcv7o]https://youtu.be/K5FuE5Wcv7o[/video]
Sorry for polish subs, but voice is in Your native.

And a something from 2005. You may call Peter Hamong a prophet.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard
for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious
privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part
be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major
recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example,
they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs
for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats
for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos)
under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about
their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in
uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such
tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the
burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non- believers of all other religions (including nonconforming
Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and
Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as
these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some
ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-al-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace,
because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only “Word”, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew
hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the
minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by
Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor nonMuslim
religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children
attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and
extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of
Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by
the end of this century. Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 9 years ago? Was it
not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
 Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah.
 Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256).
 Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Koran.
 Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
 Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..
 Politically - no…Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel
and destruction of America, the great Satan.
 Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she
disobeys him (Koran 4:34)
 Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical
principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
 Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and
expression..
 Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind,
while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Koran's
99 excellent names.
Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Can a Muslim be a good soldier? Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a
good Muslim!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
Source:
http://islamthreat.com/word/Islam_Peter_Hammond.pdf
Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
 
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No. You have failed to demonstrate that there is any link whatsoever, except in your mind. Have you the slightest evidence that those behind the advertisement are in any way connected with acts of terrorism? Obviously not...

Minonian provides a pretty good example how people react on such an advert after the currently occuring sh.ift (how does that word end up in the filter?) to the right running through Europe. Also, with that title, it was pretty obvious that the whole refugee/IS thing would come up after a while.
 
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Minonian

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The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have failed because the US couldn't win them. And the war in Afghanistan after 9/11 was backed by large parts of the american population. As are the sanctions against North Korea.
In case of Afghanistan and Iraq they are withdrawn their forces after the situation became somewhat more civilized.
But before its complete control what caused the fire to relight because its just suppressed but not completely snuffed out. There was still enough materials left to burn, and without control its lit to flame anew.

What is necessary in an assymetrical war in your opinion?
reconnaissance, surgical strikes, counter espionage, because in a sense of world, terrorist actions are subterfuge in nature, so the best way is to fight with it, is informational advantage.
 
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In case of Afghanistan and Iraq they are withdrawn their forces after the situation became somewhat more civilized.
But before its complete control what caused the fire to relight because its just suppressed but not completely snuffed out. There was still enough materials left to burn, and without control its lit to flame anew.

The US withdrew their forces nine years after they invaded the Iraq and there are still US forces in Afghanistan. The US debt climbed from 5.6 to 19.2 billion US-$ in the last fifteen years. The US hasn't the funds nor the will to enlarge their operations to fight an invisible enemy.

reconnaissance, surgical strikes, counter espionage, because in a sense of world, terrorist actions are subterfuge in nature, so the best way is to fight with it, is informational advantage.

All done by the US and their allies, together with more drastical means. To gain informational advantage against a terrorist network is easier said than done.


can't rep you for that :( Take my virtual rep :D
 
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Minonian

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The US withdrew their forces nine years after they invaded the Iraq and there are still US forces in Afghanistan. The US debt climbed from 5.6 to 19.2 billion US-$ in the last fifteen years. The US hasn't the funds nor the will to enlarge their operations to fight an invisible enemy.
It was not enough.


All done by the US and their allies, together with more drastical means. To gain informational advantage against a terrorist network is easier said than done.
Nonetheless this is how it must be done. If your enemy is invisible, than you must find a way to see him, uncover his tracks.
 
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Minonian

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Unless you have a way to look into peoples head, you're going to have a bad time with this one.

Well than we have a real problem. there are not too many people with this kind of talent. :D

BTW? How UK bought IRA to his knees? Because its a partially useful resolution. Not the mention, the italian maffia they are too started as a terrorist like freedom fighter group. Anything what works against organized crime is going to be partially useful against terrorism. In many ways they are act and think in the same way, they are get the money and resources alike, and they are too organize in cells.
 
The sons and daughters of Richard de Lionheart ;)
I am not talking what You should do, i am just talking how it works :) I am not a creator of the world, don't blame me.
From 2008:
https://youtu.be/K5FuE5Wcv7o
Sorry for polish subs, but voice is in Your native.

And a something from 2005. You may call Peter Hamong a prophet.


Source:
http://islamthreat.com/word/Islam_Peter_Hammond.pdf
Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

No. I'll call Peter Hammond an idiot instead, given that his book seems to be about some glorious conspiracy by Muslims, Marxists and "Hollywood film makers" (I suspect he may mean 'Jews' but is too polite to say) to propagate "relentless anti-Christian propaganda". http://www.xulonpress.com/bookstore/bookdetail.php?PB_ISBN=9781612154985 Self-published books by religious nuts calling themselves 'Dr' are rarely worth taking seriously. And those familiar with history will of course be aware that previous American rabble-rousers have made much the same claims about all sorts of people - e.g. the large number of migrants from eastern Europe, who could not be trusted because they weren't Protestant Christians...
 
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Calling a someone idiot by the adpersonam rhetoric will not change the facts. He just presented numbers and facts from 2005 CIA report. You also call CIA experts 'idiots' ? :)
Even if they are, they still presented the numbers, and empirical facts. This is not a thing what we can discuss or agree or not. It just happened. Like earth exists and ww2 happened.

The French-speaking king who spent most of his adult life in France?

I though You just like diversity :)
 
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There is no god. I cannot understand how people can believe in a mythical being. Do you believe in fairies? Unicorns? No,cos they don't exist
 
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